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		<title>By: Cranial Osteopathy for Colic? Advice please</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-39594</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranial Osteopathy for Colic? Advice please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] where people say it works but cranial osteopaths have no real scientific basis for what they do: Cranial osteopathy &#8211; Bad Science  I don&#039;t think it can hurt but don&#039;t spend loads on it. Trouble is these things sort themselves out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] where people say it works but cranial osteopaths have no real scientific basis for what they do: Cranial osteopathy &#8211; Bad Science  I don&#039;t think it can hurt but don&#039;t spend loads on it. Trouble is these things sort themselves out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RosieCrystalPalace</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-37917</link>
		<dc:creator>RosieCrystalPalace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 07:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Rachel108&#039;s first link, I can only see the summary, but it appears to conclude that X-rays are a useful way of measuring movement in the cranial bones - no conclusions are reported about what was causing that movement,or about any effects of cranial osteopathy or manipulation?  It also doesn&#039;t say there was any control among the 12 patients studied, to see whether cranial bone movement happens if you aren&#039;t having cranial osteopathy?  

Please correct me if this is in the full report but not the summary.

Rosie Hunter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Rachel108&#8242;s first link, I can only see the summary, but it appears to conclude that X-rays are a useful way of measuring movement in the cranial bones &#8211; no conclusions are reported about what was causing that movement,or about any effects of cranial osteopathy or manipulation?  It also doesn&#8217;t say there was any control among the 12 patients studied, to see whether cranial bone movement happens if you aren&#8217;t having cranial osteopathy?  </p>
<p>Please correct me if this is in the full report but not the summary.</p>
<p>Rosie Hunter</p>
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		<title>By: skepticbarista</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-36432</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticbarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Osteopathy:  A Question of evidence Part 2.
http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-2/

This is how the Osteopathys statutory regulator deals with enquiries about evidence for Cranial Osteopathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osteopathy:  A Question of evidence Part 2.<br />
<a href="http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-2/" rel="nofollow">skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-2/</a></p>
<p>This is how the Osteopathys statutory regulator deals with enquiries about evidence for Cranial Osteopathy.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticbarista</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-36381</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticbarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gary,

You&#039;ll find some comments on that article here:
http://chiromt.com/content/14/1/10/comments

I am currently talking to teh GOsC and NCOR about evidence for Cranial Osteopathy and have just blogged on the evidence (or lack of it) I&#039;ve found:
http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-1/

Part 2 of that blog will be out in a day or so.

Victoria Davies above says:
&quot;For more information you could try contacting NCOR (the national council for osteopathic research) or the GOsC.&quot;

Well I did and I think the results speak for themselves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gary,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find some comments on that article here:<br />
<a href="http://chiromt.com/content/14/1/10/comments" rel="nofollow">chiromt.com/content/14/1/10/comments</a></p>
<p>I am currently talking to teh GOsC and NCOR about evidence for Cranial Osteopathy and have just blogged on the evidence (or lack of it) I&#8217;ve found:<br />
<a href="http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-1/" rel="nofollow">skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-1/</a></p>
<p>Part 2 of that blog will be out in a day or so.</p>
<p>Victoria Davies above says:<br />
&#8220;For more information you could try contacting NCOR (the national council for osteopathic research) or the GOsC.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I did and I think the results speak for themselves!</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-36171</link>
		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are the rebuttals or new supportive evidence requested by the authors of this 2006 paper on cranial osteopathy? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564028/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are the rebuttals or new supportive evidence requested by the authors of this 2006 paper on cranial osteopathy? <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564028/" rel="nofollow">www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564028/</a></p>
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		<title>By: sakayus</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-35028</link>
		<dc:creator>sakayus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My issue that I&#039;d like to address to the public is that in osteopathic school, we recieve a modest amount of the traditional A.T. Still OMM training and little to no cranial manipulative medicine training thus the ability and credibitily of each individual physician must be viewed on a level per reputation/experience. If I were starting my practice for cranial OMM I&#039;d have to accrue a vast amount of patients in order to get a good sense of normal cranial movement and the correct techniques to properly fix certain dysfunctions. For regular medicine we call this residency where we look at thousands of ears just to figure out what a normal tympanic membrane looks like or listen to thousands of people&#039;s hearts and lungs to know how to properly assess each patient where normal anatomical variability exist. Just remember that listening to someone&#039;s heart, lungs, looking in their ears, and eyes only takes a few seconds and requires years to be well adept at picking out the more subtle pathologies thus it would be an appropriate statement to conclude that since it generally requires a few minutes to palpate one&#039;s cranial motion and less avaliabilty of patient&#039;s to perform it on, it requires substantial more time to appreciate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issue that I&#8217;d like to address to the public is that in osteopathic school, we recieve a modest amount of the traditional A.T. Still OMM training and little to no cranial manipulative medicine training thus the ability and credibitily of each individual physician must be viewed on a level per reputation/experience. If I were starting my practice for cranial OMM I&#8217;d have to accrue a vast amount of patients in order to get a good sense of normal cranial movement and the correct techniques to properly fix certain dysfunctions. For regular medicine we call this residency where we look at thousands of ears just to figure out what a normal tympanic membrane looks like or listen to thousands of people&#8217;s hearts and lungs to know how to properly assess each patient where normal anatomical variability exist. Just remember that listening to someone&#8217;s heart, lungs, looking in their ears, and eyes only takes a few seconds and requires years to be well adept at picking out the more subtle pathologies thus it would be an appropriate statement to conclude that since it generally requires a few minutes to palpate one&#8217;s cranial motion and less avaliabilty of patient&#8217;s to perform it on, it requires substantial more time to appreciate.</p>
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		<title>By: victoria davies</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-34621</link>
		<dc:creator>victoria davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone calling themselves an osteopath or referring in any way to what they do as osteopathy, either explicitly or implicitly, must be registered with the General Osteopathic Council. Osteopathy is regulated by statute. Cranial osteopaths are not the same thing as craniosacral therapists, who are completely unregulated (i.e. do not have to prove fitness to practice, evidence of training etc).
Most of what I have read here about the theory of cranial osteopathy is outdated. Research is on going into the structural and functional basis of cranial osteopathy. For more information you could try contacting NCOR (the national council for osteopathic research) or the GOsC.
I am an osteopath and use cranial in my work. It is highly effective, when properly used. If you want to take a baby to a cranial osteopath I suggest you look for someone who has done a postgraduate paediatric qualification, since developmentally babies are not simply small adults and should not be treated on the same basis. 
As an aside, having a PhD doesn&#039;t automatically make you intelligent as the lack of impartiality on Dr Goldacre&#039;s part in most respeacts demonstrates.
Victoria Davies MSc BSc(Hons)Ost</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone calling themselves an osteopath or referring in any way to what they do as osteopathy, either explicitly or implicitly, must be registered with the General Osteopathic Council. Osteopathy is regulated by statute. Cranial osteopaths are not the same thing as craniosacral therapists, who are completely unregulated (i.e. do not have to prove fitness to practice, evidence of training etc).<br />
Most of what I have read here about the theory of cranial osteopathy is outdated. Research is on going into the structural and functional basis of cranial osteopathy. For more information you could try contacting NCOR (the national council for osteopathic research) or the GOsC.<br />
I am an osteopath and use cranial in my work. It is highly effective, when properly used. If you want to take a baby to a cranial osteopath I suggest you look for someone who has done a postgraduate paediatric qualification, since developmentally babies are not simply small adults and should not be treated on the same basis.<br />
As an aside, having a PhD doesn&#8217;t automatically make you intelligent as the lack of impartiality on Dr Goldacre&#8217;s part in most respeacts demonstrates.<br />
Victoria Davies MSc BSc(Hons)Ost</p>
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		<title>By: fiolondon</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-32499</link>
		<dc:creator>fiolondon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Graeme, the &#039;neck dangling&#039; is (according to my husband) not a standard cranial osteopathic technique which is normally gentle to the point you might think nothing is actually happening! However it is a known manual therapy technique so you would need to speak to the osteopath that treated your baby to see why it was indicated. 

That practicioner should also have explained the risks to you in order to obtain your informed consent so you are completely entitled to go back for answers to all your questions. It would probably be more informative than posting your questions to strangers on the web!

But in my completely unmedical opinion, I would assess the risk of dangling under self weight, with the much higher forces applied to babies&#039; necks when delivered by forceps or ventouse (where the obstetrician has to put his/her foot on the bed to generate enough force to pull the baby out of the mother by its neck).

As obstetricians assure us that assisted delivery is perfectly safe, and as the forces involved in this would far exceed the ones applied to your baby, I think an obstetrician would have to say that there was minimal risk from the &#039;dangling&#039; you describe. 

However given that obstetrics was awarded the &#039;wooden spoon&#039; in 1979 by Archie Cochrane for its unscientific methods you might be best to come to your own conclusions.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Graeme, the &#8216;neck dangling&#8217; is (according to my husband) not a standard cranial osteopathic technique which is normally gentle to the point you might think nothing is actually happening! However it is a known manual therapy technique so you would need to speak to the osteopath that treated your baby to see why it was indicated. </p>
<p>That practicioner should also have explained the risks to you in order to obtain your informed consent so you are completely entitled to go back for answers to all your questions. It would probably be more informative than posting your questions to strangers on the web!</p>
<p>But in my completely unmedical opinion, I would assess the risk of dangling under self weight, with the much higher forces applied to babies&#8217; necks when delivered by forceps or ventouse (where the obstetrician has to put his/her foot on the bed to generate enough force to pull the baby out of the mother by its neck).</p>
<p>As obstetricians assure us that assisted delivery is perfectly safe, and as the forces involved in this would far exceed the ones applied to your baby, I think an obstetrician would have to say that there was minimal risk from the &#8216;dangling&#8217; you describe. </p>
<p>However given that obstetrics was awarded the &#8216;wooden spoon&#8217; in 1979 by Archie Cochrane for its unscientific methods you might be best to come to your own conclusions&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: fiolondon</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-32497</link>
		<dc:creator>fiolondon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

I have been revisiting this post since November waiting for Ben to update his article or comment on the research posted by Rachel108 in November.

While I was here I thought that there were a couple of recent posts worth commenting on.

To state my bias, my husband is an osteopath and his treatment on me worked when &#039;conventional/allopathic&#039; medicine was not able to offer any solutions. I have also seen treatment work for many more people (although not all) so I think it is a matter of getting the evidence together to support the anecdotes rather than sying there is &#039;nothing to it&#039;.

It is fair to say that the osteopathic community (who are a regulated profession) feel as though they have been caught &#039;flat footed&#039; in the area of research and evidence supporting their profession.

In part this is because most osteopaths are sole practitioners working in isolation and running one&#039;s own business does not leave a lot of time for running research trials, not the opportunity to compare the efficacy of different osteopaths and treatment approaches. However there are now national bodies who are encouraging and supporting osteopaths to produce good quality research. Much of the evidence produced so far has not been terribly well organised, so hopefully this ne initiative will be productive shortly.

Another problem is that the seminal 1996 paper by Sackett et al (http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/312/7023/71)
describes evidence based medicine as a triad with research, clinicial expertise and patient preference at each of the three points.

However, osteopaths with years of experience are unable to draw data from past patient records as participation in clinical studies need the explicit consent of patients. Retrospective permission is fraught with difficulty - not least the time involved. So many practicioners find that their cumulative expertise counts for very little in the search for &#039;evidence based medicine&#039; despite Sackett&#039;s definition.

I think that Ben&#039;s comments about lack of evidence are fair, but it should not be long before that is addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I have been revisiting this post since November waiting for Ben to update his article or comment on the research posted by Rachel108 in November.</p>
<p>While I was here I thought that there were a couple of recent posts worth commenting on.</p>
<p>To state my bias, my husband is an osteopath and his treatment on me worked when &#8216;conventional/allopathic&#8217; medicine was not able to offer any solutions. I have also seen treatment work for many more people (although not all) so I think it is a matter of getting the evidence together to support the anecdotes rather than sying there is &#8216;nothing to it&#8217;.</p>
<p>It is fair to say that the osteopathic community (who are a regulated profession) feel as though they have been caught &#8216;flat footed&#8217; in the area of research and evidence supporting their profession.</p>
<p>In part this is because most osteopaths are sole practitioners working in isolation and running one&#8217;s own business does not leave a lot of time for running research trials, not the opportunity to compare the efficacy of different osteopaths and treatment approaches. However there are now national bodies who are encouraging and supporting osteopaths to produce good quality research. Much of the evidence produced so far has not been terribly well organised, so hopefully this ne initiative will be productive shortly.</p>
<p>Another problem is that the seminal 1996 paper by Sackett et al (<a href="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/312/7023/71" rel="nofollow">www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/312/7023/71</a>)<br />
describes evidence based medicine as a triad with research, clinicial expertise and patient preference at each of the three points.</p>
<p>However, osteopaths with years of experience are unable to draw data from past patient records as participation in clinical studies need the explicit consent of patients. Retrospective permission is fraught with difficulty &#8211; not least the time involved. So many practicioners find that their cumulative expertise counts for very little in the search for &#8216;evidence based medicine&#8217; despite Sackett&#8217;s definition.</p>
<p>I think that Ben&#8217;s comments about lack of evidence are fair, but it should not be long before that is addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-32371</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashamed to admit this, but when our daughter was 18months and driving us insane with her poor sleeping - we took her to a CO in Leamington Spa.  

He was clearly bonkers, although jolly nice.  Claimed he could cure our daughter through my wife&#039;s back!

One thing though - he dangled our baby by her head and waggled her body around supported only by her neck.  I know.  We were nuts - why did we allow this!?  He went on to encourage me to do this technique - and I did a couple of times.  He charged good money for this.

I&#039;m sure if we hadn&#039;t been so desparate - and if there had been enough info around back then (there wasn&#039;t anything helpful on the internet) - we would never have allowed this quack loose on our precious baby.

I just wanted to ask:  how dangerous does this neck dangling sound, and do COs still routinely do this?

Graeme</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashamed to admit this, but when our daughter was 18months and driving us insane with her poor sleeping &#8211; we took her to a CO in Leamington Spa.  </p>
<p>He was clearly bonkers, although jolly nice.  Claimed he could cure our daughter through my wife&#8217;s back!</p>
<p>One thing though &#8211; he dangled our baby by her head and waggled her body around supported only by her neck.  I know.  We were nuts &#8211; why did we allow this!?  He went on to encourage me to do this technique &#8211; and I did a couple of times.  He charged good money for this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure if we hadn&#8217;t been so desparate &#8211; and if there had been enough info around back then (there wasn&#8217;t anything helpful on the internet) &#8211; we would never have allowed this quack loose on our precious baby.</p>
<p>I just wanted to ask:  how dangerous does this neck dangling sound, and do COs still routinely do this?</p>
<p>Graeme</p>
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		<title>By: Dresden</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-32189</link>
		<dc:creator>Dresden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trish

I don&#039;t agree that any story you related about a doctor getting it wrong would be &#039;anecdotal&#039;, as much as a claim about any variety of osteopathy: if true, it would be evidence for incompetence or malpractice and couldn&#039;t be used to generalise about the general conduct of doctors.

A personal experience used to support a generalisation about a therapy is indeed anecdotal, by the same token.

If you and your children have personally gained from therapy offered by osteopathy, then fine; what you&#039;re not entitled to do is to make claims for its wider application. As someone said (above, I think): &quot;The plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trish</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that any story you related about a doctor getting it wrong would be &#8216;anecdotal&#8217;, as much as a claim about any variety of osteopathy: if true, it would be evidence for incompetence or malpractice and couldn&#8217;t be used to generalise about the general conduct of doctors.</p>
<p>A personal experience used to support a generalisation about a therapy is indeed anecdotal, by the same token.</p>
<p>If you and your children have personally gained from therapy offered by osteopathy, then fine; what you&#8217;re not entitled to do is to make claims for its wider application. As someone said (above, I think): &#8220;The plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah100</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-31722</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course there is not absolute evidence for everything that may work. As a HV I went to watch cranial osteopathy as many of my mum&#039;s were spending quite a lot of money on trying to help their babies settle in the first 6 - 8 weeks, and go back for 3 or 3 or more appointments in that time.   I went in &#039;believing it&#039; and came out more than doubtful. The cranial osteopath I spent time with said that it does not involve manipulating the plates of the skull, which surprised me, but was about the flow of fluid.  I would say don&#039;t waste your money. The majority of babies settle on their own in the first 6 weeks when parent and baby have managed to work it all out and increasingly parents have high and unrealistic expectations of when, if ever, a baby should cry.  I have only read the abstract of the article that Rachel mentions, and the first thing I notice is it is talking about adults and not babies.  I cannot find any good evidence. I don&#039;t suggest it to mum&#039;s now, but if they ask I tell them that other parents have found it helpful, and equally some don&#039;t, it doesn&#039;t seem to do harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course there is not absolute evidence for everything that may work. As a HV I went to watch cranial osteopathy as many of my mum&#8217;s were spending quite a lot of money on trying to help their babies settle in the first 6 &#8211; 8 weeks, and go back for 3 or 3 or more appointments in that time.   I went in &#8216;believing it&#8217; and came out more than doubtful. The cranial osteopath I spent time with said that it does not involve manipulating the plates of the skull, which surprised me, but was about the flow of fluid.  I would say don&#8217;t waste your money. The majority of babies settle on their own in the first 6 weeks when parent and baby have managed to work it all out and increasingly parents have high and unrealistic expectations of when, if ever, a baby should cry.  I have only read the abstract of the article that Rachel mentions, and the first thing I notice is it is talking about adults and not babies.  I cannot find any good evidence. I don&#8217;t suggest it to mum&#8217;s now, but if they ask I tell them that other parents have found it helpful, and equally some don&#8217;t, it doesn&#8217;t seem to do harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Trish_M</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-30664</link>
		<dc:creator>Trish_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my mother gave birth to my brother, this resulted in a twisted pelvis. She was in agony for years. The doctors / hospital put her into plaster of paris, and then surgical corsets, before discharging her &#039;a cripple&#039; for whom they could do nothing more.

Thank goodness she found an osteopath to put her right. At 80, she is still dancing ~ but still having regular treatment.

All of my children have benefitted enormously from cranial osteopathy. The one suffered during a difficult birth and would later collapse regularly. The other had problems, following, a road accident, where his skull was hit by a car, like a table-tennis bat hitting a ping pong ball. The third could not swim, except in circles, because she had hurt her leg and one was shorter than the other.

When my friend&#039;s son kept collapsing, after a road accident, it was my son who recommended the cranial therapist / osteopath ~ and he put the boy right. As his mother said, why could he do this, while the hospital left him in a state of contant collapse?

Anecdotal, of course.

Similarly anecdotal is the fact that, though my son visited doctors and hospitals, following his road accident, none diagnosed his broken leg, until I insisted on an x-ray. Two weeks after the accident he was put in plaster!

I could give other stories indicating cases where the doctors got it wrong ~ but they would be anecdotal, too.

Osteopathy works. Cranial osteopathy works. Of course there may be disreputable practitioners, but there are disreputable dictors, too. 

I don&#039;t expect anyone to believe me, just because I say something is so ~ especially of they don&#039;t know me. I will just say this, if ever you or your loved ones are injured, or if you know of a baby who has been negatively affected by a traumatic birth, just give it a try and see for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my mother gave birth to my brother, this resulted in a twisted pelvis. She was in agony for years. The doctors / hospital put her into plaster of paris, and then surgical corsets, before discharging her &#8216;a cripple&#8217; for whom they could do nothing more.</p>
<p>Thank goodness she found an osteopath to put her right. At 80, she is still dancing ~ but still having regular treatment.</p>
<p>All of my children have benefitted enormously from cranial osteopathy. The one suffered during a difficult birth and would later collapse regularly. The other had problems, following, a road accident, where his skull was hit by a car, like a table-tennis bat hitting a ping pong ball. The third could not swim, except in circles, because she had hurt her leg and one was shorter than the other.</p>
<p>When my friend&#8217;s son kept collapsing, after a road accident, it was my son who recommended the cranial therapist / osteopath ~ and he put the boy right. As his mother said, why could he do this, while the hospital left him in a state of contant collapse?</p>
<p>Anecdotal, of course.</p>
<p>Similarly anecdotal is the fact that, though my son visited doctors and hospitals, following his road accident, none diagnosed his broken leg, until I insisted on an x-ray. Two weeks after the accident he was put in plaster!</p>
<p>I could give other stories indicating cases where the doctors got it wrong ~ but they would be anecdotal, too.</p>
<p>Osteopathy works. Cranial osteopathy works. Of course there may be disreputable practitioners, but there are disreputable dictors, too. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect anyone to believe me, just because I say something is so ~ especially of they don&#8217;t know me. I will just say this, if ever you or your loved ones are injured, or if you know of a baby who has been negatively affected by a traumatic birth, just give it a try and see for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-30402</link>
		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interested to know your response to the two studies measuring cranial bone movement posted above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interested to know your response to the two studies measuring cranial bone movement posted above?</p>
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		<title>By: Bones</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-30331</link>
		<dc:creator>Bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might also be interested in this v interesting article, tracing the origin of Sutherland&#039;s model, the founder of cranial osteopathy:

&quot;Swedenborg&#039;s influence on Sutherland&#039;s ‘Primary Respiratory Mechanism’ model in cranial osteopathy&quot;. T. Jordan. International Journal of Osteopathic Medicine. Volume 12(3), September 2009, pgs 100-105

Sutherland borrowed heavily from Swedenborg&#039;s long-abandoned 18th century physiological hypotheses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might also be interested in this v interesting article, tracing the origin of Sutherland&#8217;s model, the founder of cranial osteopathy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Swedenborg&#8217;s influence on Sutherland&#8217;s ‘Primary Respiratory Mechanism’ model in cranial osteopathy&#8221;. T. Jordan. International Journal of Osteopathic Medicine. Volume 12(3), September 2009, pgs 100-105</p>
<p>Sutherland borrowed heavily from Swedenborg&#8217;s long-abandoned 18th century physiological hypotheses.</p>
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		<title>By: Bones</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-30330</link>
		<dc:creator>Bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps readers might be interested in the following review of cranial osteopathy:

Green C, Martin CW, Bassett K, Kazanjian A. A systematic review of craniosacral therapy: biological plausibility, assessment reliability and clinical effectiveness. Complement Ther Med.1999; 7:201–207

To quote its results and conclusions:

&quot;RESULTS: The available research on craniosacral treatment effectiveness constitutes low-grade evidence conducted using inadequate research protocols. One study reported negative side effects in outpatients with traumatic brain injury. Low inter-rater reliability ratings were found. CONCLUSIONS: This systematic review and critical appraisal found insufficient evidence to support craniosacral therapy. Research methods that could conclusively evaluate effectiveness have not been applied to date.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps readers might be interested in the following review of cranial osteopathy:</p>
<p>Green C, Martin CW, Bassett K, Kazanjian A. A systematic review of craniosacral therapy: biological plausibility, assessment reliability and clinical effectiveness. Complement Ther Med.1999; 7:201–207</p>
<p>To quote its results and conclusions:</p>
<p>&#8220;RESULTS: The available research on craniosacral treatment effectiveness constitutes low-grade evidence conducted using inadequate research protocols. One study reported negative side effects in outpatients with traumatic brain injury. Low inter-rater reliability ratings were found. CONCLUSIONS: This systematic review and critical appraisal found insufficient evidence to support craniosacral therapy. Research methods that could conclusively evaluate effectiveness have not been applied to date.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rachel108</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-29493</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5630422.html

http://www.cranialacademy.com/pdf/PRMresearch.pdf

http://www.jaoa.org/cgi/content/full/106/6/337</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.cranialacademy.com/pdf/PRMresearch.pdf" rel="nofollow">www.cranialacademy.com/pdf/PRMresearch.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.jaoa.org/cgi/content/full/106/6/337" rel="nofollow">www.jaoa.org/cgi/content/full/106/6/337</a></p>
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		<title>By: rachel108</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-29492</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Review the evidence. the public deserve it.</description>
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		<title>By: rachel108</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-29491</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&#038;Cmd=ShowDetailView&#038;TermToSearch=11831342&#038;ordinalpos=4&#038;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&#038;Cmd=ShowDetailView&#038;TermToSearch=11831342&#038;ordinalpos=4&#038;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-29490</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so post the data/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so post the data/</p>
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