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		<title>By: wayscj</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayscj</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mick James</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-3261</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely homeopathy is the best explanation of the placebo effect? We all drink water all the time, which by now will be imprinted with the &quot;memory &quot; of virtually every substance known to man. So our taps are constantly dispensing an endless supply of free medicine?

So why do we not just get better automatically when we get ill? Well, a lot of the time people do just get better, and that is clearly due to this unseen homeopathy . Unfortunately, the the near-infinite medical potency of tapwater is such that it creates a lot of &quot;therapeutic noise&quot;. The body simply doesn&#039;t know which of the healing voices to listen to. So it&#039;s probably the therapeutic intervention of giving someone a sugar pill, and saying, &quot;this will cure your arthritis&quot; attunes the body to listen out for the healing memory of the homeopathic molecules--in the water they drink to swallow it!

So far from disproving homeopathy, the placebo effect confirms it. If we could only train our bodies to listen better to the homeopathic cures flooding our veins, then we could shut down the NHS. Thames Water might want to jack up the water rates a bit though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely homeopathy is the best explanation of the placebo effect? We all drink water all the time, which by now will be imprinted with the &#8220;memory &#8221; of virtually every substance known to man. So our taps are constantly dispensing an endless supply of free medicine?</p>
<p>So why do we not just get better automatically when we get ill? Well, a lot of the time people do just get better, and that is clearly due to this unseen homeopathy . Unfortunately, the the near-infinite medical potency of tapwater is such that it creates a lot of &#8220;therapeutic noise&#8221;. The body simply doesn&#8217;t know which of the healing voices to listen to. So it&#8217;s probably the therapeutic intervention of giving someone a sugar pill, and saying, &#8220;this will cure your arthritis&#8221; attunes the body to listen out for the healing memory of the homeopathic molecules&#8211;in the water they drink to swallow it!</p>
<p>So far from disproving homeopathy, the placebo effect confirms it. If we could only train our bodies to listen better to the homeopathic cures flooding our veins, then we could shut down the NHS. Thames Water might want to jack up the water rates a bit though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-2124</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another fantastic letter from the Society of Homeopaths. I&#039;m not quite sure how I came to be known by them as &quot;the allegedly infamous quack-buster Ben Goldacre&quot;. Who alleged my infamy, why did they allege it, and when? I may have to sue over these allegations of infamy.

&lt;b&gt;17.11.05 - Letter to Time Out
Re: The Bitterest Pill
&lt;/b&gt;

Dear Sir,
We object very strongly to the highly opinionated article by the allegedly infamous quack-buster Ben Goldacre (The Bitterest Pill, p.24) in Time Out (November 16 â€“ 23). Goldacre used this opportunity to talk about placebo and cited homeopathy as a prime candidate. He must be ignorant of the fact that over 20 rigorous and scientific trials have demonstrated that homeopathy has an effect over and above placebo and this includes large-scale trials on farm animals, which presumably are not susceptible to the idea of placebo.

In his dismissive conclusion, he asserts our therapy is served with, â€œextra lies, expense, reassurance and paternalismâ€. What complete rubbish! The Society of Homeopaths has over 1200 Registered Members, none of whom would recognise themselves in this stupid remark and nor would their patients.

The Society was pleased to see, however, that despite Goldacreâ€™s views, that homeopathy was placed firmly in the â€˜acceptableâ€™ therapies in the same issue (Alternative Health Special, p.146).

Yours sincerely

Melanie Oxley
Communications Manager</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fantastic letter from the Society of Homeopaths. I&#8217;m not quite sure how I came to be known by them as &#8220;the allegedly infamous quack-buster Ben Goldacre&#8221;. Who alleged my infamy, why did they allege it, and when? I may have to sue over these allegations of infamy.</p>
<p><b>17.11.05 &#8211; Letter to Time Out<br />
Re: The Bitterest Pill<br />
</b></p>
<p>Dear Sir,<br />
We object very strongly to the highly opinionated article by the allegedly infamous quack-buster Ben Goldacre (The Bitterest Pill, p.24) in Time Out (November 16 â€“ 23). Goldacre used this opportunity to talk about placebo and cited homeopathy as a prime candidate. He must be ignorant of the fact that over 20 rigorous and scientific trials have demonstrated that homeopathy has an effect over and above placebo and this includes large-scale trials on farm animals, which presumably are not susceptible to the idea of placebo.</p>
<p>In his dismissive conclusion, he asserts our therapy is served with, â€œextra lies, expense, reassurance and paternalismâ€. What complete rubbish! The Society of Homeopaths has over 1200 Registered Members, none of whom would recognise themselves in this stupid remark and nor would their patients.</p>
<p>The Society was pleased to see, however, that despite Goldacreâ€™s views, that homeopathy was placed firmly in the â€˜acceptableâ€™ therapies in the same issue (Alternative Health Special, p.146).</p>
<p>Yours sincerely</p>
<p>Melanie Oxley<br />
Communications Manager</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-1199</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s such a great joke that everybody else has made it first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s such a great joke that everybody else has made it first.</p>
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		<title>By: Deetee</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>Deetee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Placebo?
http://www.tripzine.com/images/placebo_ad.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Placebo?<br />
<a href="http://www.tripzine.com/images/placebo_ad.jpg" rel="nofollow">www.tripzine.com/images/placebo_ad.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Morag</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator>Morag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œActually, can anyone be bothered to make a nice looking â€œplaceboâ€ logo in a capsule, or something?â€

http://www.panexa.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œActually, can anyone be bothered to make a nice looking â€œplaceboâ€ logo in a capsule, or something?â€</p>
<p><a href="http://www.panexa.com/" rel="nofollow">www.panexa.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: BSM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-1102</link>
		<dc:creator>BSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually, can anyone be bothered to make a nice looking â€œplaceboâ€ logo in a capsule, or something?&quot;

Placebin- does exactly what it says on the tin.

Support your Local Homeopath-
a joint message from Thames Water and British Sugar

Homeopathy-
for when doing nothing is good enough

Colonic Irrigation- 
just going through the motions

Craniosacral Therapy-
scratching heads and tickling bums

Alternative Medicine-
more quacks than your local pond

Chiropractic-
Back. Crack. Quack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, can anyone be bothered to make a nice looking â€œplaceboâ€ logo in a capsule, or something?&#8221;</p>
<p>Placebin- does exactly what it says on the tin.</p>
<p>Support your Local Homeopath-<br />
a joint message from Thames Water and British Sugar</p>
<p>Homeopathy-<br />
for when doing nothing is good enough</p>
<p>Colonic Irrigation-<br />
just going through the motions</p>
<p>Craniosacral Therapy-<br />
scratching heads and tickling bums</p>
<p>Alternative Medicine-<br />
more quacks than your local pond</p>
<p>Chiropractic-<br />
Back. Crack. Quack.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-1086</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, can anyone be bothered to make a nice looking &quot;placebo&quot; logo in a capsule, or something? There&#039;s a t-shirt in it. Which in itself will double sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, can anyone be bothered to make a nice looking &#8220;placebo&#8221; logo in a capsule, or something? There&#8217;s a t-shirt in it. Which in itself will double sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob O'H</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-1085</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob O'H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this means you&#039;ll be releasing a new line of placebos, in different colours, in time for Christmas.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this means you&#8217;ll be releasing a new line of placebos, in different colours, in time for Christmas.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>John A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;John B&lt;/b&gt; I am aware of the &quot;like cures like&quot; philosphy underlying homeopathy whereby drugs which may cause a particular symptom in high concentrations are used to treat that symptom at lower doses.  However, as I understand it the problem exists that some compounds may be toxic at high concentrations or may (obviously) make the symptoms you are trying to make better worse.  For that reason they are often diluted down.  I don&#039;t think it is uncommon that homeopathic treatments are heavily diluted to the point that no molecule of the original substance exists.  Hence the criticism is well founded.  If the homeopathists will admit to this being a silly aspect to their theory and abandon it, we will stop criticising that aspect.

However the notion that a vague statement that &quot;like cures like&quot; should be a framework for developing medical treatment is a weak theory with no explanatory power.  At the time it was as bad as any other theory around but nowdays it is showing its age.  Just to prempt the inevitable, yes occasionally &quot;like cures like&quot;, and sometimes &quot;opposite cures opposite&quot;.  But both statements are facile, prone to being twisted post-hoc to fit an argument and neither is a sound basis for treating an illness.  Convential medicine is not developed from the idea that &quot;opposite cures opposite&quot; (allopathy) despite what the homeopaths might have us believe.  They are not even competing.  Homeopathy is one weak theory based on metaphorical reasoning whereas convential medicine is a whole hoarde of theories all building on each other and based on centuries of experimental knowledge (and more importantly the more recent one).

Either a treatment works or it doesn&#039;t.  If some (non-potentised) homeopathic treatment works it is probably because the ingredient has an active compound.  In this instance &quot;like cures like&quot; is supported but also several more specific theories within the body of knowledge that underlies convential medicine to do with the pharmacological effect of the compound.  But if our current scientific knowledge cannot explain how it works homeopathy cannot offer an explanation either.  It has no explanatory or predictive power.  So in what way is homeopathy a theory with any useful purpose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>John B</b> I am aware of the &#8220;like cures like&#8221; philosphy underlying homeopathy whereby drugs which may cause a particular symptom in high concentrations are used to treat that symptom at lower doses.  However, as I understand it the problem exists that some compounds may be toxic at high concentrations or may (obviously) make the symptoms you are trying to make better worse.  For that reason they are often diluted down.  I don&#8217;t think it is uncommon that homeopathic treatments are heavily diluted to the point that no molecule of the original substance exists.  Hence the criticism is well founded.  If the homeopathists will admit to this being a silly aspect to their theory and abandon it, we will stop criticising that aspect.</p>
<p>However the notion that a vague statement that &#8220;like cures like&#8221; should be a framework for developing medical treatment is a weak theory with no explanatory power.  At the time it was as bad as any other theory around but nowdays it is showing its age.  Just to prempt the inevitable, yes occasionally &#8220;like cures like&#8221;, and sometimes &#8220;opposite cures opposite&#8221;.  But both statements are facile, prone to being twisted post-hoc to fit an argument and neither is a sound basis for treating an illness.  Convential medicine is not developed from the idea that &#8220;opposite cures opposite&#8221; (allopathy) despite what the homeopaths might have us believe.  They are not even competing.  Homeopathy is one weak theory based on metaphorical reasoning whereas convential medicine is a whole hoarde of theories all building on each other and based on centuries of experimental knowledge (and more importantly the more recent one).</p>
<p>Either a treatment works or it doesn&#8217;t.  If some (non-potentised) homeopathic treatment works it is probably because the ingredient has an active compound.  In this instance &#8220;like cures like&#8221; is supported but also several more specific theories within the body of knowledge that underlies convential medicine to do with the pharmacological effect of the compound.  But if our current scientific knowledge cannot explain how it works homeopathy cannot offer an explanation either.  It has no explanatory or predictive power.  So in what way is homeopathy a theory with any useful purpose?</p>
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		<title>By: BSM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>BSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An important point tha has only been alluded to thus far is that the real size of the placebo effect needs to be considered for various medial settings. In some psychosomatic illnesses it may be all you need, but for a broken leg its real effects are probably negligible.

There is an awkward middle ground with nasty chronic diseases like cancer, for which the the may be no genuine &quot;mind over body&quot; effect on actual survival rates, but the ability to live with the disease in a better frame of mind is valuable.

It is dangerously easy for conventional medics to give unnecessary ground to the woos by saying that they at least evoke a useful placebo response, but we should keep our critical guard up and employ some objectivity in assessing the power of that response.

Conversely, if the SCAMmers were not just in it for the money and the public credibility and really wanted to help medicine, they would properly embrace attempts to tease out the relative merits of the placebo power of their favourite therapy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An important point tha has only been alluded to thus far is that the real size of the placebo effect needs to be considered for various medial settings. In some psychosomatic illnesses it may be all you need, but for a broken leg its real effects are probably negligible.</p>
<p>There is an awkward middle ground with nasty chronic diseases like cancer, for which the the may be no genuine &#8220;mind over body&#8221; effect on actual survival rates, but the ability to live with the disease in a better frame of mind is valuable.</p>
<p>It is dangerously easy for conventional medics to give unnecessary ground to the woos by saying that they at least evoke a useful placebo response, but we should keep our critical guard up and employ some objectivity in assessing the power of that response.</p>
<p>Conversely, if the SCAMmers were not just in it for the money and the public credibility and really wanted to help medicine, they would properly embrace attempts to tease out the relative merits of the placebo power of their favourite therapy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael P</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-2/#comment-1025</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whether or not diluted remedies have an effect does not, therefore, have any influence over homeopathy.&quot;

Translated....

&quot;Whether or not the little bottle of water cures your cancer, we still make bundles of cash&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whether or not diluted remedies have an effect does not, therefore, have any influence over homeopathy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Translated&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whether or not the little bottle of water cures your cancer, we still make bundles of cash&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John B</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-1023</link>
		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the above comments about homeopathy are based on ignorance. Homeopathy is a treatment that employs something that has the power to create the patients symptoms. Whether or not diluted remedies have an effect does not, therefore, have any influence over homeopathy.

Unfortunately, nowadays, even some homeopaths can not tell the difference between a homeopathic remedy (one that can produce similar symptoms) and a potentised remedy (one that is diluted) and so your ignorance is excused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the above comments about homeopathy are based on ignorance. Homeopathy is a treatment that employs something that has the power to create the patients symptoms. Whether or not diluted remedies have an effect does not, therefore, have any influence over homeopathy.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, nowadays, even some homeopaths can not tell the difference between a homeopathic remedy (one that can produce similar symptoms) and a potentised remedy (one that is diluted) and so your ignorance is excused.</p>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-1005</link>
		<dc:creator>John A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what IT Bloke said nicely illustrates the point that people like to feel that they understand why something works with as little effort as possible.  Like witchcraft, &quot;like cures like&quot; is metaphorical reasoning and patients can use their day to day knowledge to feel that they understand the treatment (or even self medicate).  Much easier than having to learn some science/maths.  He makes a good point that in order to explain to people that their reasoning is wrong we have to tactfully tell them that all the science they thought they didn&#039;t have to know is important, that their reasoning is poor and ours is superior and this may involve an implicit attack on their meta-physical beliefs.  I doubt people are receptive to this and it is easy to dismiss CAM sceptics as &quot;snide and cynical&quot; because (sadly) ad hominem is usually the best way to &quot;win&quot; a public argument...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what IT Bloke said nicely illustrates the point that people like to feel that they understand why something works with as little effort as possible.  Like witchcraft, &#8220;like cures like&#8221; is metaphorical reasoning and patients can use their day to day knowledge to feel that they understand the treatment (or even self medicate).  Much easier than having to learn some science/maths.  He makes a good point that in order to explain to people that their reasoning is wrong we have to tactfully tell them that all the science they thought they didn&#8217;t have to know is important, that their reasoning is poor and ours is superior and this may involve an implicit attack on their meta-physical beliefs.  I doubt people are receptive to this and it is easy to dismiss CAM sceptics as &#8220;snide and cynical&#8221; because (sadly) ad hominem is usually the best way to &#8220;win&#8221; a public argument&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Morag</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-995</link>
		<dc:creator>Morag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose IT Bloke isn&#039;t coming back to hear the news that there isn&#039;t even one single molecule of the &quot;something the body can fight&quot; in the actual pills they dole out?  That when you buy a bottle of any of the remedies in Boots and look at the contents (small print) as opposed to the headline label, they all say just &quot;sucrose/lactose&quot;.  Which is correct, because that is exactly all that&#039;s in them.

But since he says he couldn&#039;t give a sh!te about the facts, so don&#039;t bother to correct him, I suppose it&#039;s a waste of time posting this.

Fair enough, IT Bloke, stay misinformed.  We should coco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose IT Bloke isn&#8217;t coming back to hear the news that there isn&#8217;t even one single molecule of the &#8220;something the body can fight&#8221; in the actual pills they dole out?  That when you buy a bottle of any of the remedies in Boots and look at the contents (small print) as opposed to the headline label, they all say just &#8220;sucrose/lactose&#8221;.  Which is correct, because that is exactly all that&#8217;s in them.</p>
<p>But since he says he couldn&#8217;t give a sh!te about the facts, so don&#8217;t bother to correct him, I suppose it&#8217;s a waste of time posting this.</p>
<p>Fair enough, IT Bloke, stay misinformed.  We should coco.</p>
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		<title>By: MostlySunny</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>MostlySunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the history of homeopathy is interesting.  When it was invented mainstream medicine was an imprecise and indeed brutal thing.   No anesthetic, very little knowledge about hygiene and bacteria with leeches, bleeding etc being the order of the day.  It seems that modern medicine has evolved so the criticisms levelled at then cannot hold true now whereas homeopathy is virtually unchanged. 

Says it all for me really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the history of homeopathy is interesting.  When it was invented mainstream medicine was an imprecise and indeed brutal thing.   No anesthetic, very little knowledge about hygiene and bacteria with leeches, bleeding etc being the order of the day.  It seems that modern medicine has evolved so the criticisms levelled at then cannot hold true now whereas homeopathy is virtually unchanged. </p>
<p>Says it all for me really.</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa K</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>Tessa K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rescue remedy is another classic, along the lines of the German homeopath&#039;s treatments. It works really well to calm down small children. Could this be because the base of the liquid is pure brandy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rescue remedy is another classic, along the lines of the German homeopath&#8217;s treatments. It works really well to calm down small children. Could this be because the base of the liquid is pure brandy?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to see how some alternative medicines on the NHS would work:

Acupuncture - I am going to stick all these pins into you. I&#039;ve no idea whether this will work or not. Side effects include pain and bleeding. What do you think?

Crystals - Sit next to this crystal and meditate for a bit. I&#039;ll be outside having a coffee. Side effects may include drowsiness. What do you think?

etc etc

Would alternative medicine work at all if grumpy old doctors like Ben had to dish it out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see how some alternative medicines on the NHS would work:</p>
<p>Acupuncture &#8211; I am going to stick all these pins into you. I&#8217;ve no idea whether this will work or not. Side effects include pain and bleeding. What do you think?</p>
<p>Crystals &#8211; Sit next to this crystal and meditate for a bit. I&#8217;ll be outside having a coffee. Side effects may include drowsiness. What do you think?</p>
<p>etc etc</p>
<p>Would alternative medicine work at all if grumpy old doctors like Ben had to dish it out?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-962</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just put a kind of experimental &quot;not really an article&quot; post up about this... stop me if I&#039;m boring you...

http://www.badscience.net/?p=188</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just put a kind of experimental &#8220;not really an article&#8221; post up about this&#8230; stop me if I&#8217;m boring you&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=188" rel="nofollow">www.badscience.net/?p=188</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2005/11/bad-science-piece-sneaks-into-time-outs-alternative-health-special-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-961</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben has just added an entry on this very article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben has just added an entry on this very article.</p>
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