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		<title>By: jiangjiang</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eddy</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/02/the-great-tamiflu-vaccine-scare/comment-page-1/#comment-4041</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&#8230; everyone seems to be convinced that it is a matter of â€˜whenâ€™, not â€˜ifâ€™ H5N1 mutates and becomes transmissible between humans. This is not a certainty - indeed, far from it. One good example of a virus becoming *less* deadly is HIV1, which appears to be a lot less virulent in attacking tissues other than t-helpers (i.e. skin and brain) than it used to be back in the 80s, although of course drug therapies are also better. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

 Furthermore, there&#039;s a perfectly good evolutionary reason for HIV1 to become less deadly.  Killing the ecosystem you live in (in the case of a disease: the host species) is bad for you (a lesson we could do well to learn) &#8211; the selection pressure on any disease is to become better at transmission but less deadly. 

 The reason for the wide-spread expectation &#8211; `when&#039; not `if&#039; &#8211; that bird &#039;flu shall necessarily hop to humans is that &#039;flu is well-known to mutate rapidly.  It does that precisely in response to selection pressure to get round its host&#039;s immune defences.  If avian &#039;flu does hop across to humans, we can expect it to mutate rapidly in ways that make it better at infecting humans: but mutations that enable it to attack humans are not, yet, being selected for. 

 A preview button, alongside the &quot;Submit Comment&quot; one, would be nice &#8230; I&#039;m having to guess what mark-up I can get away with !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&hellip; everyone seems to be convinced that it is a matter of â€˜whenâ€™, not â€˜ifâ€™ H5N1 mutates and becomes transmissible between humans. This is not a certainty &#8211; indeed, far from it. One good example of a virus becoming *less* deadly is HIV1, which appears to be a lot less virulent in attacking tissues other than t-helpers (i.e. skin and brain) than it used to be back in the 80s, although of course drug therapies are also better. </p></blockquote>
<p> Furthermore, there&#8217;s a perfectly good evolutionary reason for HIV1 to become less deadly.  Killing the ecosystem you live in (in the case of a disease: the host species) is bad for you (a lesson we could do well to learn) &ndash; the selection pressure on any disease is to become better at transmission but less deadly. </p>
<p> The reason for the wide-spread expectation &ndash; `when&#8217; not `if&#8217; &ndash; that bird &#8216;flu shall necessarily hop to humans is that &#8216;flu is well-known to mutate rapidly.  It does that precisely in response to selection pressure to get round its host&#8217;s immune defences.  If avian &#8216;flu does hop across to humans, we can expect it to mutate rapidly in ways that make it better at infecting humans: but mutations that enable it to attack humans are not, yet, being selected for. </p>
<p> A preview button, alongside the &#8220;Submit Comment&#8221; one, would be nice &hellip; I&#8217;m having to guess what mark-up I can get away with !</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/02/the-great-tamiflu-vaccine-scare/comment-page-1/#comment-4003</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The basic facts about influenza virus are that the bird form and mammalian form are rather different in that the avian form is a gut disease, and the mammalian one a respiratory virus. When bird flu infects humans and mutates to become readily transmissible from human to human (and that&#039;s the important bit; it isn&#039;t readily transmissible at the moment), you have a virus that isn&#039;t normal flu but is infectious.

According to what I&#039;ve read, the 1918 flu and this one infect deeper in the lungs than normal flu does, and provoke a cytokine burst which is the non-specific immune system trying to cope with a problem.

The cytokine burst is the bit that does the main damage; this causes massive inflammation and leakage into the lungs, which drowns the victim. Limit the cytokine burst and you give the patient a chance to either recover, or die of something other than drowning.

Anti-immune drugs such as are used for transplant patients are probably the most use here, although antihistamines might be slightly helpful. Tamiflu merely inhibits the virus getting out of an infected cell; it cuts the multiplication rate but that is all, it doesn&#039;t kill virus.

Best way to cope with human-transmissible bird flu: try not to get it, until doctors have had a chance to experiment on early victims and work out how to stop the cytokine burst and any other associated problems. If you do get it, take either Tamiflu or Relenza, antihistamines and try to get to a hospital if these aren&#039;t swamped.

Oh, and stay away from quacks and homeopaths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basic facts about influenza virus are that the bird form and mammalian form are rather different in that the avian form is a gut disease, and the mammalian one a respiratory virus. When bird flu infects humans and mutates to become readily transmissible from human to human (and that&#8217;s the important bit; it isn&#8217;t readily transmissible at the moment), you have a virus that isn&#8217;t normal flu but is infectious.</p>
<p>According to what I&#8217;ve read, the 1918 flu and this one infect deeper in the lungs than normal flu does, and provoke a cytokine burst which is the non-specific immune system trying to cope with a problem.</p>
<p>The cytokine burst is the bit that does the main damage; this causes massive inflammation and leakage into the lungs, which drowns the victim. Limit the cytokine burst and you give the patient a chance to either recover, or die of something other than drowning.</p>
<p>Anti-immune drugs such as are used for transplant patients are probably the most use here, although antihistamines might be slightly helpful. Tamiflu merely inhibits the virus getting out of an infected cell; it cuts the multiplication rate but that is all, it doesn&#8217;t kill virus.</p>
<p>Best way to cope with human-transmissible bird flu: try not to get it, until doctors have had a chance to experiment on early victims and work out how to stop the cytokine burst and any other associated problems. If you do get it, take either Tamiflu or Relenza, antihistamines and try to get to a hospital if these aren&#8217;t swamped.</p>
<p>Oh, and stay away from quacks and homeopaths.</p>
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		<title>By: Death Japan Tamiflu &#187; BBC NEWS &#124; Health &#124; Suicides raise fears over Tamiflu</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/02/the-great-tamiflu-vaccine-scare/comment-page-1/#comment-3377</link>
		<dc:creator>Death Japan Tamiflu &#187; BBC NEWS &#124; Health &#124; Suicides raise fears over Tamiflu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] badscience The Great Tamiflu Vaccine Scare Doctors face life-or-death decisions , screams the Daily Mail Japan has already reported that eight people have died - not from It goes on for pages and pages, rehashing the Tamiflu information [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] badscience The Great Tamiflu Vaccine Scare Doctors face life-or-death decisions , screams the Daily Mail Japan has already reported that eight people have died &#8211; not from It goes on for pages and pages, rehashing the Tamiflu information [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MikeTheGoat</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/02/the-great-tamiflu-vaccine-scare/comment-page-1/#comment-3151</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeTheGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always set the text-size in your browser to something other than &quot;Smallest&quot;.  I know it&#039;s rare to find a website that actually obeys some of the layout standards and changes with text-size settings but we should be praising those that do, not criticising them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always set the text-size in your browser to something other than &#8220;Smallest&#8221;.  I know it&#8217;s rare to find a website that actually obeys some of the layout standards and changes with text-size settings but we should be praising those that do, not criticising them.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/02/the-great-tamiflu-vaccine-scare/comment-page-1/#comment-3129</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.  

Unfortunately your web site has type sizes so small that I can&#039;t read them.  On a 1024x768 screen this is showing up as about 6 point type.  

To read this I had to cut and paste the article into notepad.  

Your web site is no good you can&#039;t read it.  Please think about using standard font sizes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately your web site has type sizes so small that I can&#8217;t read them.  On a 1024&#215;768 screen this is showing up as about 6 point type.  </p>
<p>To read this I had to cut and paste the article into notepad.  </p>
<p>Your web site is no good you can&#8217;t read it.  Please think about using standard font sizes.</p>
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		<title>By: potsy700</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/02/the-great-tamiflu-vaccine-scare/comment-page-1/#comment-3100</link>
		<dc:creator>potsy700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - I respect what you say, but it&#039;s well known that the news media is driven by sales, and human nature menas that someone will by a paper with the headline &quot;Deadly Virus Is On the Way&quot; rather than &quot;Bird Flu: No Threat&quot;.

Could you not pitch something to your editor along the lines of a &#039;layman&#039;s guide to bird flu - what are the risks&#039;? and compile some genuine facts presented in an easy to understand fashion, and market it as such? Get hold of your local hospital&#039;s microbiologist and flatter him into giving an interview or writing an article.

Just a few bullet points would do:

Bird Flu has not mutated into the form most threatening to humans,
There is currently no vaccine, and one cannot be created until such time as the hypothetical mutation occurs,
Tamiflu is a treatment, not a vaccine. It does work against viruses, but like all medicines its effectiveness will vary with individual circumstances,
Surgical facemasks are ineffective
It&#039;s not Tony Blair&#039;s fault
You can&#039;t go blaming the french, either.


Or am I just hopelessly nieve??

rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; I respect what you say, but it&#8217;s well known that the news media is driven by sales, and human nature menas that someone will by a paper with the headline &#8220;Deadly Virus Is On the Way&#8221; rather than &#8220;Bird Flu: No Threat&#8221;.</p>
<p>Could you not pitch something to your editor along the lines of a &#8216;layman&#8217;s guide to bird flu &#8211; what are the risks&#8217;? and compile some genuine facts presented in an easy to understand fashion, and market it as such? Get hold of your local hospital&#8217;s microbiologist and flatter him into giving an interview or writing an article.</p>
<p>Just a few bullet points would do:</p>
<p>Bird Flu has not mutated into the form most threatening to humans,<br />
There is currently no vaccine, and one cannot be created until such time as the hypothetical mutation occurs,<br />
Tamiflu is a treatment, not a vaccine. It does work against viruses, but like all medicines its effectiveness will vary with individual circumstances,<br />
Surgical facemasks are ineffective<br />
It&#8217;s not Tony Blair&#8217;s fault<br />
You can&#8217;t go blaming the french, either.</p>
<p>Or am I just hopelessly nieve??</p>
<p>rich</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The paradox of a vaccine is that it is unlikely to be safe to a mathematically perfect degree - after all you could catch something else nasty from another patient in the doctor&#039;s waiting-room - and vaccination is only useful if you actually are subsequently exposed to whatever the vaccine is for.  So it may be best for me if everyone except me is vaccinated.  But then a vaccine doesn&#039;t necessarily make everyone fully immune; &quot;herd immunity&quot; (population) is expressed as a percentage.

Tamiflu is not a vaccine, but if it is given as a credible prophylactic then the distinction is subtle.  But -is- it a credible prophylactic?

And of course disease organisms can work around natural or artificial prophylaxis, by evolving.  Watch out for the next new AIDS virus that makes rubber perish...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paradox of a vaccine is that it is unlikely to be safe to a mathematically perfect degree &#8211; after all you could catch something else nasty from another patient in the doctor&#8217;s waiting-room &#8211; and vaccination is only useful if you actually are subsequently exposed to whatever the vaccine is for.  So it may be best for me if everyone except me is vaccinated.  But then a vaccine doesn&#8217;t necessarily make everyone fully immune; &#8220;herd immunity&#8221; (population) is expressed as a percentage.</p>
<p>Tamiflu is not a vaccine, but if it is given as a credible prophylactic then the distinction is subtle.  But -is- it a credible prophylactic?</p>
<p>And of course disease organisms can work around natural or artificial prophylaxis, by evolving.  Watch out for the next new AIDS virus that makes rubber perish&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/02/the-great-tamiflu-vaccine-scare/comment-page-1/#comment-3027</link>
		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œMake it scary. People like that.â€ 

Paul, newspaper proprieters like it much better. But I liken the situation to an information vaccuum which too many editors for my liking are happy to fill with any old tosh to generate sales. And sales is the name of the game, not public information. It&#039;s a well established formula and applied whatever the subject of the news happens to be.
If the &quot;deadly&quot; adjective is used on occasion no-one could reasonably object. But it&#039;s the incessant drip, drip, drip of repetition with the result that so much news reporting lacks any perspective and, frequently, any relation at all to real life. It takes on a life of its own, wrapped up in its own perverted form of reality.
Apparently it&#039;s illegal to incite people to riot. But it&#039;s not illegal to incite panic and hysteria.
It&#039;s patronising, a disservice to the public and thoroughly indefensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œMake it scary. People like that.â€ </p>
<p>Paul, newspaper proprieters like it much better. But I liken the situation to an information vaccuum which too many editors for my liking are happy to fill with any old tosh to generate sales. And sales is the name of the game, not public information. It&#8217;s a well established formula and applied whatever the subject of the news happens to be.<br />
If the &#8220;deadly&#8221; adjective is used on occasion no-one could reasonably object. But it&#8217;s the incessant drip, drip, drip of repetition with the result that so much news reporting lacks any perspective and, frequently, any relation at all to real life. It takes on a life of its own, wrapped up in its own perverted form of reality.<br />
Apparently it&#8217;s illegal to incite people to riot. But it&#8217;s not illegal to incite panic and hysteria.<br />
It&#8217;s patronising, a disservice to the public and thoroughly indefensible.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeTheGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeTheGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See http://www.phicotherapeutics.co.uk/index.html for a biotech company that are using phage-therapy techniques (although not quite as the russians used them).  We had a lecture from their MD at Uni who said that one of the problems with phage therapy is fitting it into a regulatory framework designed for small-molecule therapeutics.  Essentially one of the benefits is that new phage can be &#039;evolved&#039; to target resistant bugs but that this is (or was 3 years ago) seen as changing the process and so invalidating manufacturing licences etc.  Don&#039;t know if anything from Phico has gone through clinical trials or if they&#039;re any use but thought I&#039;d point out that some people are still trying this.
I think the russians also had a topical cream containing phages for skin infections.

Anyway, that was somewhat off the flu topic.  So I guess I should remind everyone that we are clearly all about to die of deadly avian bird flu so should probably be having fun while we still can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://www.phicotherapeutics.co.uk/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.phicotherapeutics.co.uk/index.html</a> for a biotech company that are using phage-therapy techniques (although not quite as the russians used them).  We had a lecture from their MD at Uni who said that one of the problems with phage therapy is fitting it into a regulatory framework designed for small-molecule therapeutics.  Essentially one of the benefits is that new phage can be &#8216;evolved&#8217; to target resistant bugs but that this is (or was 3 years ago) seen as changing the process and so invalidating manufacturing licences etc.  Don&#8217;t know if anything from Phico has gone through clinical trials or if they&#8217;re any use but thought I&#8217;d point out that some people are still trying this.<br />
I think the russians also had a topical cream containing phages for skin infections.</p>
<p>Anyway, that was somewhat off the flu topic.  So I guess I should remind everyone that we are clearly all about to die of deadly avian bird flu so should probably be having fun while we still can.</p>
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		<title>By: James H</title>
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		<dc:creator>James H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - re the Russians and interferon.  It was a reasonably common practice in USSR days to &#039;prime&#039; the immune system to fend off influenza and other viruses by taking either interferon, or a compound called Poludan (which was actually polydA-dU oligonucleotides) which was said to upregulate natural interferon production.  Certainly in theory high levels of interferon would help prevent viral infections, and shorten the course of viral infections, but this idea never really caught on in the West.  

Another Soviet treatment, for bacterial infections this time, called phage therapy was also common, and reportedly effective, but again has failed to catch on in the West.  The more cynical commentators suggest that this is because neither of these ideas are patentable, so pharmaceutical companies won&#039;t bother investing and producing them.  It is perhaps more likely that the benefits haven&#039;t stood up to more intense scrutiny, although I don&#039;t know of any clinical trials since the fall of the USSR.

On a different note, everyone seems to be convinced that it is a matter of &#039;when&#039;, not &#039;if&#039; H5N1 mutates and becomes transmissible between humans.  This is not a certainty - indeed, far from it.  One good example of a virus becoming *less* deadly is HIV1, which appears to be a lot less virulent in attacking tissues other than t-helpers (i.e. skin and brain) than it used to be back in the 80s, although of course drug therapies are also better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; re the Russians and interferon.  It was a reasonably common practice in USSR days to &#8216;prime&#8217; the immune system to fend off influenza and other viruses by taking either interferon, or a compound called Poludan (which was actually polydA-dU oligonucleotides) which was said to upregulate natural interferon production.  Certainly in theory high levels of interferon would help prevent viral infections, and shorten the course of viral infections, but this idea never really caught on in the West.  </p>
<p>Another Soviet treatment, for bacterial infections this time, called phage therapy was also common, and reportedly effective, but again has failed to catch on in the West.  The more cynical commentators suggest that this is because neither of these ideas are patentable, so pharmaceutical companies won&#8217;t bother investing and producing them.  It is perhaps more likely that the benefits haven&#8217;t stood up to more intense scrutiny, although I don&#8217;t know of any clinical trials since the fall of the USSR.</p>
<p>On a different note, everyone seems to be convinced that it is a matter of &#8216;when&#8217;, not &#8216;if&#8217; H5N1 mutates and becomes transmissible between humans.  This is not a certainty &#8211; indeed, far from it.  One good example of a virus becoming *less* deadly is HIV1, which appears to be a lot less virulent in attacking tissues other than t-helpers (i.e. skin and brain) than it used to be back in the 80s, although of course drug therapies are also better.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, I agree... but arsenic, paracetamol, chlorine et al, are not novel threats; nor are they the result of an infectious disease that&#039;s causing billions of dollars worth of real economic damage.

I don&#039;t want to be an apologist for the &quot;evil media&quot;, but when you take this, combined with non-governmental agencies that don&#039;t depend on circulation for funding -- including the WHO, for chrissakes -- making public statements to the effect that up to 150 million could die if H5N1 acquires human-to-human transmissibility, surely there&#039;s some merit in reporting this?

Not to gloat or anything, but as one of the (I imagine) few science hacks who at least skims the discussion sections of relevant journal articles when I put together a package, I&#039;m not too uncomfortable with using the phrase &quot;deadly bird flu&quot;. 

But then: these are the same editors who&#039;ve told me in the past: &quot;Make it scary. People like that.&quot; So I&#039;m torn. I hafta say, I do genuinely think there&#039;s a bit of a parasitic relationship between the consumers of mass media and a good, terryfing story. People get off on it. Blaming the journalists as being &quot;untrustworthy (although loads of them are)&quot; seems like a bit of a cop-out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I agree&#8230; but arsenic, paracetamol, chlorine et al, are not novel threats; nor are they the result of an infectious disease that&#8217;s causing billions of dollars worth of real economic damage.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to be an apologist for the &#8220;evil media&#8221;, but when you take this, combined with non-governmental agencies that don&#8217;t depend on circulation for funding &#8212; including the WHO, for chrissakes &#8212; making public statements to the effect that up to 150 million could die if H5N1 acquires human-to-human transmissibility, surely there&#8217;s some merit in reporting this?</p>
<p>Not to gloat or anything, but as one of the (I imagine) few science hacks who at least skims the discussion sections of relevant journal articles when I put together a package, I&#8217;m not too uncomfortable with using the phrase &#8220;deadly bird flu&#8221;. </p>
<p>But then: these are the same editors who&#8217;ve told me in the past: &#8220;Make it scary. People like that.&#8221; So I&#8217;m torn. I hafta say, I do genuinely think there&#8217;s a bit of a parasitic relationship between the consumers of mass media and a good, terryfing story. People get off on it. Blaming the journalists as being &#8220;untrustworthy (although loads of them are)&#8221; seems like a bit of a cop-out.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeTheGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeTheGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably also worth considering the thosuands that die each year in this country from plain old, boring, normal human flu.</description>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
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		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, lots of things are deadly but they don&#039;t have the word &quot;Deadly&quot; incorporated into their names â€“ arsenic, paracetamol, chlorine bleach, alcohol, driving on public roads. Obviously, according to your editors, the public isn&#039;t as intelligent as them and no-one is aware yet that bird flu can be deadly; particularly to birds. Don&#039;t you think the press. tv et al are being a tad patronising when they do this? Correct me if I&#039;m wrong but isn&#039;t the idea to hype it up so that people are overly worried or panic? Then there&#039;s more stuff to report on, like public opinion and comments informed by the idiotic press, complaints about  the availability of the non-vaccine &quot;vaccine&quot;, the dangers of eating chicken, how it&#039;s all the fault of the government and all that crap. Isn&#039;t that what is meant by news management? Increased circulation and more cash for the press. That&#039;s the way it&#039;s always worked.
Incidentally, how many people have died on Britains roads since 1st January? And how many as a result of accidents in the home? And how many have died worldwide (that&#039;s &quot;globally&quot; in modernspeak) from Deadly Lethal H5N1 Strain of Avian Bird Flu since the start of the outbreak? 
This is Britain&#039;s heroic news media, informing and protecting Britain&#039;s plucky news readers, viewers and listeners. Scuse me while I puke.
And I know journalists who complain that they (collectively) have a reputation for dishonesty and untrustworthiness. I really can&#039;t think why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, lots of things are deadly but they don&#8217;t have the word &#8220;Deadly&#8221; incorporated into their names â€“ arsenic, paracetamol, chlorine bleach, alcohol, driving on public roads. Obviously, according to your editors, the public isn&#8217;t as intelligent as them and no-one is aware yet that bird flu can be deadly; particularly to birds. Don&#8217;t you think the press. tv et al are being a tad patronising when they do this? Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but isn&#8217;t the idea to hype it up so that people are overly worried or panic? Then there&#8217;s more stuff to report on, like public opinion and comments informed by the idiotic press, complaints about  the availability of the non-vaccine &#8220;vaccine&#8221;, the dangers of eating chicken, how it&#8217;s all the fault of the government and all that crap. Isn&#8217;t that what is meant by news management? Increased circulation and more cash for the press. That&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s always worked.<br />
Incidentally, how many people have died on Britains roads since 1st January? And how many as a result of accidents in the home? And how many have died worldwide (that&#8217;s &#8220;globally&#8221; in modernspeak) from Deadly Lethal H5N1 Strain of Avian Bird Flu since the start of the outbreak?<br />
This is Britain&#8217;s heroic news media, informing and protecting Britain&#8217;s plucky news readers, viewers and listeners. Scuse me while I puke.<br />
And I know journalists who complain that they (collectively) have a reputation for dishonesty and untrustworthiness. I really can&#8217;t think why.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Media crappiness over bird flu coverage

Hi.

As a television news hack on the &quot;bird flu beat&quot; (love the way that rolls off the tongue) I can assure you that any attempt I make to tone down my headlines is swiftly obliterated by editors insisting that &quot;deadly&quot; be added as a prefix to any occurence of H5N1. Although, to be honest, it *is* a deadly virus -- just probably not as deadly as Sky et al would like you to believe.

PS -- There&#039;s a biotech firm in Russia that says that &quot;alpha-inteferon&quot; applied nasally is an effective prophylactic against contracting all types of influenza. Is this total bollocks? My immunology isn&#039;t up to scratch...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Media crappiness over bird flu coverage</p>
<p>Hi.</p>
<p>As a television news hack on the &#8220;bird flu beat&#8221; (love the way that rolls off the tongue) I can assure you that any attempt I make to tone down my headlines is swiftly obliterated by editors insisting that &#8220;deadly&#8221; be added as a prefix to any occurence of H5N1. Although, to be honest, it *is* a deadly virus &#8212; just probably not as deadly as Sky et al would like you to believe.</p>
<p>PS &#8212; There&#8217;s a biotech firm in Russia that says that &#8220;alpha-inteferon&#8221; applied nasally is an effective prophylactic against contracting all types of influenza. Is this total bollocks? My immunology isn&#8217;t up to scratch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rational&quot; science... as in 1. Having or exercising the ability to reason. 2. Of sound mind; sane.

So their science being irrational has an inability to reason and is not of sound mind.

Er.. yes.

I suprised at their honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rational&#8221; science&#8230; as in 1. Having or exercising the ability to reason. 2. Of sound mind; sane.</p>
<p>So their science being irrational has an inability to reason and is not of sound mind.</p>
<p>Er.. yes.</p>
<p>I suprised at their honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
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		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, Feynman was a quantum physicist wasn&#039;t he. That&#039;s what he won his share of a Nobel prize for. Here&#039;s a link to some lectures he gave in New Zealand which I think demonstrate (to me at least) why these morons talking about &quot;the further reaches of quantum physics&quot; probably have no idea what quantum physics is never mind anything else about it. 
http://www.vega.org.uk/video/subseries/8
If you haven&#039;t seen the lectures before I&#039;m sure you will enjoy them. They serve as a reminder that there is intelligent life on the planet and that there are a few exraordinary individuals who are really deserving of the label &quot;genius&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, Feynman was a quantum physicist wasn&#8217;t he. That&#8217;s what he won his share of a Nobel prize for. Here&#8217;s a link to some lectures he gave in New Zealand which I think demonstrate (to me at least) why these morons talking about &#8220;the further reaches of quantum physics&#8221; probably have no idea what quantum physics is never mind anything else about it.<br />
<a href="http://www.vega.org.uk/video/subseries/8" rel="nofollow">http://www.vega.org.uk/video/subseries/8</a><br />
If you haven&#8217;t seen the lectures before I&#8217;m sure you will enjoy them. They serve as a reminder that there is intelligent life on the planet and that there are a few exraordinary individuals who are really deserving of the label &#8220;genius&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the Field

&lt;em&gt;
These discoveries, at the further reaches of quantum physics, provide scientific validation and evidence for a range of psychic and spiritual experiences that rational science had claimed were impossible.
&lt;/em&gt;

Note the &quot;rational science&quot; - perhaps this is only bad science in the rational sense.  Also, &quot;scientific validation&quot; and &quot;evidence&quot; are clearly separate - their form of scientific validation need not, it appears, be evidence-based.

Judging their science by the standards of your particular rational, evidence-based form seems a bit harsh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the Field</p>
<p><em><br />
These discoveries, at the further reaches of quantum physics, provide scientific validation and evidence for a range of psychic and spiritual experiences that rational science had claimed were impossible.<br />
</em></p>
<p>Note the &#8220;rational science&#8221; &#8211; perhaps this is only bad science in the rational sense.  Also, &#8220;scientific validation&#8221; and &#8220;evidence&#8221; are clearly separate &#8211; their form of scientific validation need not, it appears, be evidence-based.</p>
<p>Judging their science by the standards of your particular rational, evidence-based form seems a bit harsh.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just signed up for the WDDTY site. It screams of commercial opportunism.
-They want your postal address for unknown reasons. 
-Almost every click takes you to a page where your only option is to click &#039;submit&#039; to receive monthly newsletter. I found no way of unsubscribing on the site.
-The other clicks take you to pages flogging you endless hidden truths.

After finding my local &#039;Rolfing Practitioner&#039;, I thought I&#039;d add my details to the practitioner database. Unfortunately this appears to entail a Â£32 purchase. Luckily, the site inform me that this will &#039;be one of the shrewdest investments you&#039;ll make&#039;. What! - ever? Better than pensions and mortgages? My cheque is in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just signed up for the WDDTY site. It screams of commercial opportunism.<br />
-They want your postal address for unknown reasons.<br />
-Almost every click takes you to a page where your only option is to click &#8217;submit&#8217; to receive monthly newsletter. I found no way of unsubscribing on the site.<br />
-The other clicks take you to pages flogging you endless hidden truths.</p>
<p>After finding my local &#8216;Rolfing Practitioner&#8217;, I thought I&#8217;d add my details to the practitioner database. Unfortunately this appears to entail a Â£32 purchase. Luckily, the site inform me that this will &#8216;be one of the shrewdest investments you&#8217;ll make&#8217;. What! &#8211; ever? Better than pensions and mortgages? My cheque is in the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For years I&#039;ve been using gin and tonics to protect myself from Malaria, who knew I had a head start on the deadly bird flu.</description>
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