Comments on: Factors that risk being left out of the equation http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/ Ben Goldacre's Bad Science column from the Guardian and more... Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:31:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: How To Spot A Psychopath :: My (irradiated) balls are always bouncing :: March :: 2009 http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-25492 How To Spot A Psychopath :: My (irradiated) balls are always bouncing :: March :: 2009 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:12:53 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-25492 [...] and over, alleged “electrosensitives” have failed to demonstrate that they can even perceive [...] [...] and over, alleged “electrosensitives” have failed to demonstrate that they can even perceive [...]

]]> By: I miei Silenzi.com » Blog Archive » Report: troppe falsitŕ sul Wi-Fi http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-20775 I miei Silenzi.com » Blog Archive » Report: troppe falsitŕ sul Wi-Fi Tue, 13 May 2008 12:13:32 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-20775 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: blog.tjomlid.com | Bli kvitt tinnitus på 10 timer http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-17723 blog.tjomlid.com | Bli kvitt tinnitus på 10 timer Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:33:57 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-17723 [...] om han merker så mye forskjell når han ikke vet at det er et WLAN i nærheten: There have been 31 studies looking at whether people who report being hypersensitive to [...] [...] om han merker så mye forskjell når han ikke vet at det er et WLAN i nærheten: There have been 31 studies looking at whether people who report being hypersensitive to [...]

]]> By: WiFi is eating your children at starshun.com http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-13180 WiFi is eating your children at starshun.com Tue, 29 May 2007 12:52:35 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-13180 [...] One of my favourite programs Panorama has broadcast an ‘expose’ on the dangers of wifi.Unfortunately the show has no science whatsoever behind and in fact 31 studies have shown no link between symptoms and electrical sensitivity, none of these are referred to in the Panorama program. It’s incredibly disappointing when a program that you otherwise respects does such incredibly bad science. [...] [...] One of my favourite programs Panorama has broadcast an ‘expose’ on the dangers of wifi.Unfortunately the show has no science whatsoever behind and in fact 31 studies have shown no link between symptoms and electrical sensitivity, none of these are referred to in the Panorama program. It’s incredibly disappointing when a program that you otherwise respects does such incredibly bad science. [...]

]]> By: Wifi e preti pedofili « Dema FON blog http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-13014 Wifi e preti pedofili « Dema FON blog Wed, 23 May 2007 14:01:52 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-13014 [...] Ora , chiunque abbia seguito almeno in parte i dibattimenti sulle conseguenze nell’organismo delle microonde wireless , si rende conto che sono cazzate , e se non se ne rende conto e vuole documentarsi , puo’ farlo qui , qui oppure qui (english) [...] [...] Ora , chiunque abbia seguito almeno in parte i dibattimenti sulle conseguenze nell’organismo delle microonde wireless , si rende conto che sono cazzate , e se non se ne rende conto e vuole documentarsi , puo’ farlo qui , qui oppure qui (english) [...]

]]> By: Beware of radiators « A little Jack with that? http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-12979 Beware of radiators « A little Jack with that? Tue, 22 May 2007 10:59:52 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-12979 [...] Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007 in Technology After last night’s Panorama propaganda about the evils of WiFi, I was going to write something expressing my outrage as a former BBC employee over the appalling lack of editorial standards that allowed such a piece of unbalanced, biased, unscientific nonsense to be presented as an exercise in rigorous journalism. However, it doesn’t really need me to pile on. I will leave you to read one of the many posts on the subject taking the BBC and the report to task. Or just read some of the comments on the BBC’s own Have Your Say site, which are by and large much more sensible and informed than the report. [...] [...] Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007 in Technology After last night’s Panorama propaganda about the evils of WiFi, I was going to write something expressing my outrage as a former BBC employee over the appalling lack of editorial standards that allowed such a piece of unbalanced, biased, unscientific nonsense to be presented as an exercise in rigorous journalism. However, it doesn’t really need me to pile on. I will leave you to read one of the many posts on the subject taking the BBC and the report to task. Or just read some of the comments on the BBC’s own Have Your Say site, which are by and large much more sensible and informed than the report. [...]

]]> By: B0ll0cks - FreddysHouse http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-12955 B0ll0cks - FreddysHouse Mon, 21 May 2007 21:52:32 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-12955 [...] Take a look at this Jup: Bad Science » Factors that risk being left out of the equation. Personally I think this wireless headache mojo is generally a crock of shit. We've just deployed a wireless network throughout the college I work at so it'd be interesting to see how that affects people if at all though __________________ <Insert witty comment here> [...] [...] Take a look at this Jup: Bad Science » Factors that risk being left out of the equation. Personally I think this wireless headache mojo is generally a crock of shit. We’ve just deployed a wireless network throughout the college I work at so it’d be interesting to see how that affects people if at all though __________________ <Insert witty comment here> [...]

]]> By: Harnessing Technology in Kent - Digital Curriculum : Is wi-fi in schools a risk to health? http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-12708 Harnessing Technology in Kent - Digital Curriculum : Is wi-fi in schools a risk to health? Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:25:43 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-12708 [...] Is wi-fi in schools a risk to health? An article appeared in the Times newspaper that questioned the safety of wi-fi in schools. In it, two schools are mentioned in particular. Online news agencies with their cut and past culture have repeated and created froth and fervour, giving greater creedence, but adding nothing new.When I first read it, I was of course aghast! Could it be that one of the central planks of anytime anywhere learning is causing health problems? I instinctively know it isn't, and have worked with high power fields in my telecomms career, so know the health and safety issues (and my friends aren't dropping with cancer!). I did what my background taught me to do, ... some private research to prove one way or the other! In the cold light of scrutiny, the stories appear to owe rather more to the small 'p' political considerations of good relations within a school community than a risk assessment of health issues. There is clearly a fundamental problem with understanding the science, so i'll summarise the facts: Don’t get confused between electric fields and radio frequency fields. Try these flash based tutorials from the Health Protection Agency to understand why. If you are considering banning wi-fi on safety grounds, then out must also go public broadcast radio, terrestrial TV, police fire and ambulance systems, mobile telephones, and wireless microphones,  as these sources are higher powered. Probably better to put tin foil on the inside of the buildings and shield it completely! Radio frequency waves as cancer-causing magic moonbeams is more to do with fear and ignorance than fact. Radio frequency transmission is a well understood technology. Guidelines already exist, and are robust. The only concern they have is for heat generated by close proximity - not a concern at the very low power levels of wi-fi.Scientific research by the EU, and guidance by the world health organisation is clear that electromagnetic hypersensitivity is more perception than reality, as in blind tests, no afflicted individual could tell whether the test transmitter was on or off, and reported the symptoms in both cases, mmm! Giving it a name doesn't make it real!The world is full of radio waves from BBC stations to mobile phones, and at much higher levels than school wi-fi, which is restricted to 10 milliwatts, which is  5% of the power of a single mobile telephone, and this restriction is only to stop it interfering with other peoples wi-fi networks, not on the grounds of safety!To bow to irrational pressure may be expedient, (and may save some money!), but let's not confuse this with science. I'm not ready yet to give up all of the benefits on the strength of zero evidence, and my whole family bathes in the warm glow of a home wi-fi network. Indeed the whole of Westminster is bathed in wi-fi, and there are no signs of poor health amongst our politicians (Umm, tee hee).There is more evidence that poor nutrition has a detrimental and long-lasting effect on our children, yet parents still pass bags of chips through railings. All a matter of perception really. To yield to the palpitations and twitches of a single classics teacher when confronted by teenagers in a classroom (doesn't have the symptoms at the weekend or during school breaks!) is absurd. The symptoms are probably real, the attributed cause isn't! Published Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:32 AM by AlanDay [...] [...] Is wi-fi in schools a risk to health? An article appeared in the Times newspaper that questioned the safety of wi-fi in schools. In it, two schools are mentioned in particular. Online news agencies with their cut and past culture have repeated and created froth and fervour, giving greater creedence, but adding nothing new.When I first read it, I was of course aghast! Could it be that one of the central planks of anytime anywhere learning is causing health problems? I instinctively know it isn’t, and have worked with high power fields in my telecomms career, so know the health and safety issues (and my friends aren’t dropping with cancer!). I did what my background taught me to do, … some private research to prove one way or the other! In the cold light of scrutiny, the stories appear to owe rather more to the small ‘p’ political considerations of good relations within a school community than a risk assessment of health issues. There is clearly a fundamental problem with understanding the science, so i’ll summarise the facts: Don’t get confused between electric fields and radio frequency fields. Try these flash based tutorials from the Health Protection Agency to understand why. If you are considering banning wi-fi on safety grounds, then out must also go public broadcast radio, terrestrial TV, police fire and ambulance systems, mobile telephones, and wireless microphones,  as these sources are higher powered. Probably better to put tin foil on the inside of the buildings and shield it completely! Radio frequency waves as cancer-causing magic moonbeams is more to do with fear and ignorance than fact. Radio frequency transmission is a well understood technology. Guidelines already exist, and are robust. The only concern they have is for heat generated by close proximity – not a concern at the very low power levels of wi-fi.Scientific research by the EU, and guidance by the world health organisation is clear that electromagnetic hypersensitivity is more perception than reality, as in blind tests, no afflicted individual could tell whether the test transmitter was on or off, and reported the symptoms in both cases, mmm! Giving it a name doesn’t make it real!The world is full of radio waves from BBC stations to mobile phones, and at much higher levels than school wi-fi, which is restricted to 10 milliwatts, which is  5% of the power of a single mobile telephone, and this restriction is only to stop it interfering with other peoples wi-fi networks, not on the grounds of safety!To bow to irrational pressure may be expedient, (and may save some money!), but let’s not confuse this with science. I’m not ready yet to give up all of the benefits on the strength of zero evidence, and my whole family bathes in the warm glow of a home wi-fi network. Indeed the whole of Westminster is bathed in wi-fi, and there are no signs of poor health amongst our politicians (Umm, tee hee).There is more evidence that poor nutrition has a detrimental and long-lasting effect on our children, yet parents still pass bags of chips through railings. All a matter of perception really. To yield to the palpitations and twitches of a single classics teacher when confronted by teenagers in a classroom (doesn’t have the symptoms at the weekend or during school breaks!) is absurd. The symptoms are probably real, the attributed cause isn’t! Published Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:32 AM by AlanDay [...]

]]> By: How To Spot A Psychopath :: How about “electronic Viagra”? :: April :: 2007 http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-12706 How To Spot A Psychopath :: How about “electronic Viagra”? :: April :: 2007 Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:34:09 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-12706 [...] (Ben Goldacre’s been catching abuse for a year or so now as a result of his clearly inhuman and evil view that people who believe electromagnetic “pollution” is making them ill have real symptoms, but are incorrect about the cause. For some reason, it’s hard to find similar pressure groups who believe that people who hear voices should be provided with earplugs.) [...] [...] (Ben Goldacre’s been catching abuse for a year or so now as a result of his clearly inhuman and evil view that people who believe electromagnetic “pollution” is making them ill have real symptoms, but are incorrect about the cause. For some reason, it’s hard to find similar pressure groups who believe that people who hear voices should be provided with earplugs.) [...]

]]> By: Freedom for Information » Blog Archive » Wi-Fi - A risk to health? http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-10165 Freedom for Information » Blog Archive » Wi-Fi - A risk to health? Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:29:42 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-10165 [...] To bow to irrational pressure may be expedient, (and may save some money!), but let’s not confuse this with science. I’m not ready yet to give up all of the benefits on the strength of zero evidence, and my whole family bathes in the warm glow of a home wi-fi network. My children are far more likely to experience health problems through consuming menu items on visits to McDonalds and Starbucks than through their wi-fi networks. Indeed the whole of Westminster is bathed in wi-fi, and there are no signs of poor health amongst our politicians (Umm, tee hee). [...] [...] To bow to irrational pressure may be expedient, (and may save some money!), but let’s not confuse this with science. I’m not ready yet to give up all of the benefits on the strength of zero evidence, and my whole family bathes in the warm glow of a home wi-fi network. My children are far more likely to experience health problems through consuming menu items on visits to McDonalds and Starbucks than through their wi-fi networks. Indeed the whole of Westminster is bathed in wi-fi, and there are no signs of poor health amongst our politicians (Umm, tee hee). [...]

]]> By: Wifi health risk paranoia (at wongaBlog) http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-9493 Wifi health risk paranoia (at wongaBlog) Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:19:24 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-9493 [...] Others claim they immediately started having headaches after a wireless network was enabled. Every time this is mentioned it’s difficult not to notice that knowledge of the wireless network came before the headaches, never the other way around. It’s very much like people who claim to suffer from ‘electrical sensitivity’, but can’t replicate it under controlled conditions. It all has an air of woo that has apparently turned up with with the introduction of many technologies, such as the original radio transmissions, or ozone from laser printers, or radiation from the first computers. It seems that once these things become commonplace the symptoms disappear. [...] [...] Others claim they immediately started having headaches after a wireless network was enabled. Every time this is mentioned it’s difficult not to notice that knowledge of the wireless network came before the headaches, never the other way around. It’s very much like people who claim to suffer from ‘electrical sensitivity’, but can’t replicate it under controlled conditions. It all has an air of woo that has apparently turned up with with the introduction of many technologies, such as the original radio transmissions, or ozone from laser printers, or radiation from the first computers. It seems that once these things become commonplace the symptoms disappear. [...]

]]> By: KCC Children, Families and Education - Digital Curriculum : Is wi-fi in schools a risk to health? http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-9227 KCC Children, Families and Education - Digital Curriculum : Is wi-fi in schools a risk to health? Sat, 02 Dec 2006 09:43:28 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-9227 [...] Is wi-fi in schools a risk to health? An article appeared in the Times newspaper that questioned the safety of wi-fi in schools. In it, two schools are mentioned in particular. Online news agencies have repeated and created  froth and fervour, giving greater creedence, but adding nothing new.When I first read it, I was of course aghast! Could it be that one of the central planks of anytime anywhere learning is causing health problems? I instinctively know it isn't, and have worked with high power fields in my telecomms career, so know the health and safety issues (and my friends aren't dropping with cancer!). I did what my background taught me to do, ... some private research to prove one way or the other! In the cold light of scrutiny, the stories appear to owe rather more to the small 'p' political considerations of good relations within a school community than a risk assessment of health issues. There is clearly a fundamental problem with understanding the basic science, so i'll summarise the facts:Don’t get confused between electric fields and radio frequency fields. Try these flash based tutorials from the Health Protection Agency to understand why.If you are considering banning wi-fi on safety grounds, then out must also go public broadcast radio, terrestrial TV, police fire and ambulance systems, mobile telephones, and wireless microphones,  as these sources are higher powered.Those who do not understand basic science should not make decisions that affect the rest of us based on their lack of knowledge. Radio frequency waves as cancer-causing magic moonbeams is more to do with fear and ignorance than fact.Radio frequency transmission is a well understood technology.Guidelines already exist, and are robust. The only concern they have is for heat generated by close proximity - not a concern at the very low power levels of wi-fi. The scientific research by the EU, and the guidance by the world health organisation is clear that the perception of a condition called electromagnetic hypersensitivity exists is more to do with perception than reality, as in blind tests, no afflicted individual could tell whether the test transmitter was on or off, and reported the symptoms in both cases, mmm!The world is full of radio waves from BBC stations to mobile phones, and at much higher levels than school wi-fi, which is restricted to 10 milliwatts, which is  5% of the power of a single mobile telephone, and this restriction is only to stop it interfering with other peoples wi-fi networks, not on the grounds of safety!To bow to irrational pressure may be expedient, (and may save some money!), but let's not confuse this with science. I'm not ready yet to give up all of the benefits on the strength of zero evidence, and my whole family bathes in the warm glow of a home wi-fi network, on visits to McDonalds and Starbucks. Indeed the whole of Westminster is bathed in wi-fi, and there are no signs of poor health amongst our politicians (tee hee).There is more evidence that poor nutrition has a detrimental and long-lasting effect on our children, yet parents still pass bags of chips through railings. All a matter of perception really. To yield to the palpitations and twitches of a single classics teacher when confronted by teenagers in a classroom (doesn't have the symptoms at the weekend or during school breaks!) is absurd. The symptoms are probably real, the attributed cause isn't! Published 02 December 2006 08:32 by AlanDay [...] [...] Is wi-fi in schools a risk to health? An article appeared in the Times newspaper that questioned the safety of wi-fi in schools. In it, two schools are mentioned in particular. Online news agencies have repeated and created  froth and fervour, giving greater creedence, but adding nothing new.When I first read it, I was of course aghast! Could it be that one of the central planks of anytime anywhere learning is causing health problems? I instinctively know it isn’t, and have worked with high power fields in my telecomms career, so know the health and safety issues (and my friends aren’t dropping with cancer!). I did what my background taught me to do, … some private research to prove one way or the other! In the cold light of scrutiny, the stories appear to owe rather more to the small ‘p’ political considerations of good relations within a school community than a risk assessment of health issues. There is clearly a fundamental problem with understanding the basic science, so i’ll summarise the facts:Don’t get confused between electric fields and radio frequency fields. Try these flash based tutorials from the Health Protection Agency to understand why.If you are considering banning wi-fi on safety grounds, then out must also go public broadcast radio, terrestrial TV, police fire and ambulance systems, mobile telephones, and wireless microphones,  as these sources are higher powered.Those who do not understand basic science should not make decisions that affect the rest of us based on their lack of knowledge. Radio frequency waves as cancer-causing magic moonbeams is more to do with fear and ignorance than fact.Radio frequency transmission is a well understood technology.Guidelines already exist, and are robust. The only concern they have is for heat generated by close proximity – not a concern at the very low power levels of wi-fi. The scientific research by the EU, and the guidance by the world health organisation is clear that the perception of a condition called electromagnetic hypersensitivity exists is more to do with perception than reality, as in blind tests, no afflicted individual could tell whether the test transmitter was on or off, and reported the symptoms in both cases, mmm!The world is full of radio waves from BBC stations to mobile phones, and at much higher levels than school wi-fi, which is restricted to 10 milliwatts, which is  5% of the power of a single mobile telephone, and this restriction is only to stop it interfering with other peoples wi-fi networks, not on the grounds of safety!To bow to irrational pressure may be expedient, (and may save some money!), but let’s not confuse this with science. I’m not ready yet to give up all of the benefits on the strength of zero evidence, and my whole family bathes in the warm glow of a home wi-fi network, on visits to McDonalds and Starbucks. Indeed the whole of Westminster is bathed in wi-fi, and there are no signs of poor health amongst our politicians (tee hee).There is more evidence that poor nutrition has a detrimental and long-lasting effect on our children, yet parents still pass bags of chips through railings. All a matter of perception really. To yield to the palpitations and twitches of a single classics teacher when confronted by teenagers in a classroom (doesn’t have the symptoms at the weekend or during school breaks!) is absurd. The symptoms are probably real, the attributed cause isn’t! Published 02 December 2006 08:32 by AlanDay [...]

]]> By: Neuromesh » Blog Archive » Wireless Networking http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-9153 Neuromesh » Blog Archive » Wireless Networking Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:59:55 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-9153 [...] For those who may be feeling these symptoms and are now concerned that they may be more than just November burnout, rest assured that there is no reliable study linking anything to Electro-Magnetic radiation. Longtime readers of Neuromesh may also recall however that your electric blanket will kill you before any of your gadgets do. [...] [...] For those who may be feeling these symptoms and are now concerned that they may be more than just November burnout, rest assured that there is no reliable study linking anything to Electro-Magnetic radiation. Longtime readers of Neuromesh may also recall however that your electric blanket will kill you before any of your gadgets do. [...]

]]> By: Flipsidereality » Blog Archive » EM Radiation WIFI Sickenss, Factors that risk being left out of the equation http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-9152 Flipsidereality » Blog Archive » EM Radiation WIFI Sickenss, Factors that risk being left out of the equation Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:31:28 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-9152 [...] badscience » Factors that risk being left out of the equation “Electromagnetic fields stemming from gadgets such as kettles, computers and microwaves, contribute towards a cloud of unseen emissions - even when they are switched off.” It’s a sinister idea, and “Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity” is sweeping the nation, or at least the Independent and the Daily Mail last week. Symptoms include fatigue, tiredness, headaches, concentration difficulties, dizziness, nausea, heart palpitations, and digestive disturbances: and since these are real symptoms, causing genuine distress, the problem deserves to be considered seriously, and carefully. [...] [...] badscience » Factors that risk being left out of the equation “Electromagnetic fields stemming from gadgets such as kettles, computers and microwaves, contribute towards a cloud of unseen emissions – even when they are switched off.” It’s a sinister idea, and “Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity” is sweeping the nation, or at least the Independent and the Daily Mail last week. Symptoms include fatigue, tiredness, headaches, concentration difficulties, dizziness, nausea, heart palpitations, and digestive disturbances: and since these are real symptoms, causing genuine distress, the problem deserves to be considered seriously, and carefully. [...]

]]> By: Ben Goldacre http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-9094 Ben Goldacre Fri, 24 Nov 2006 19:46:29 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-9094 i have never had so much hate mail, it's still coming, i got bored of posting it a long time ago. this is the single subject that has generated the most vitriol out of anything i have ever written on. i think the new wave is because i got in touch with somebody from one of the electromagnetic hypersensitivity pressure groups, very politely, to ask a quick question. he must have mentioned it to someone, word got round, and another wave of hate comes in. amazing. <i> The worst case of bad science i have ever come across is you. I worked in child psychiatry when children with asthma were sent to a psychiatric wing. One nearly died so we stopped having them to treat. I know electrosensativity exists, and Professor Olle Johansson proved it and why. You wont print anything by him though, or my letter to you i bet. You are a disgrace, and that is choosing kind words for how despicable you are. Either that or your ignorance or the other connections you mention might be true. Bet you don't want to get a link to Olle or Professor Magda Haves to find out the truth either. Catherine Gamba </i> i have never had so much hate mail, it’s still coming, i got bored of posting it a long time ago. this is the single subject that has generated the most vitriol out of anything i have ever written on. i think the new wave is because i got in touch with somebody from one of the electromagnetic hypersensitivity pressure groups, very politely, to ask a quick question. he must have mentioned it to someone, word got round, and another wave of hate comes in. amazing.

The worst case of bad science i have ever come across is you. I worked in child psychiatry when children with asthma were sent to a psychiatric wing. One nearly died so we stopped having them to treat. I know electrosensativity exists, and Professor Olle Johansson proved it and why. You wont print anything by him though, or my letter to you i bet. You are a disgrace, and that is choosing kind words for how despicable you are. Either that or your ignorance or the other connections you mention might be true. Bet you don’t want to get a link to Olle or Professor Magda Haves to find out the truth either.

Catherine Gamba

]]> By: JQH http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-5790 JQH Sat, 20 May 2006 14:38:06 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-5790 igb I don't think it's fair to refer to sufferers "non-illnesses". I don't think it's disputable that they're ill. What IS disputable is the cause. igb

I don’t think it’s fair to refer to sufferers “non-illnesses”. I don’t think it’s disputable that they’re ill. What IS disputable is the cause.

]]> By: liverpoolmiss http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-5782 liverpoolmiss Sat, 20 May 2006 09:30:10 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-5782 Yes, and as I understand it childhood leukaemia rates have fallen steadily over the decades, while the number of electrical appliances etc has soared. Yes, and as I understand it childhood leukaemia rates have fallen steadily over the decades, while the number of electrical appliances etc has soared.

]]> By: igb http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-5781 igb Sat, 20 May 2006 08:57:17 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-5781 There's a meta-argument against all the campaigners: power lines, mobile phones, pesticides, whatever. And that is that in the urban, developed west, life expectancies continue to rise. Mobile phones have been fixtures for the middle classes for fifteen years, and 900MHz transmitters have been present in cities for more than twenty. Where's the excess deaths? Powerlines ditto, but for generations. Where's the excess deaths? Instead we end up with vague, non-specific, non-reproducible `symptoms' found by dredging around in the statistical noise floor. It's People With Problems, externalising their fears. Their non-illnesses are caused by non-mechanisms and can be cured by non-cures (I think there's a market for homeopathic remedies for electrical smog: royalties to me, please. It contains There’s a meta-argument against all the campaigners: power lines, mobile phones, pesticides, whatever. And that is that in the urban, developed west, life expectancies continue to rise. Mobile phones have been fixtures for the middle classes for fifteen years, and 900MHz transmitters have been present in cities for more than twenty. Where’s the excess deaths? Powerlines ditto, but for generations. Where’s the excess deaths?

Instead we end up with vague, non-specific, non-reproducible `symptoms’ found by dredging around in the statistical noise floor. It’s People With Problems, externalising their fears. Their non-illnesses are caused by non-mechanisms and can be cured by non-cures (I think there’s a market for homeopathic remedies for electrical smog: royalties to me, please. It contains

]]> By: Ben Goldacre http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-5773 Ben Goldacre Sat, 20 May 2006 01:10:34 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-5773 thanks coracle some of those look bang on. thanks coracle some of those look bang on.

]]> By: Andy http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/comment-page-4/#comment-5772 Andy Fri, 19 May 2006 22:35:27 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/?p=239#comment-5772 I don't think he works for BT. He forgot to wipe the header info that word added to his factsheet document. There is an organisation name in there and it's not BT. I don’t think he works for BT. He forgot to wipe the header info that word added to his factsheet document. There is an organisation name in there and it’s not BT.

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