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		<title>By: jiangjiang</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Equazen has just been bought by Galenica, reported twice below. Excellent to see that Adam Kelliher will now be concentrating on research!

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2006/12/05/afx3228013.html

 ZURICH (AFX) - Galenica Holding AG said it bought UK food supplements producer Equazen Nutraceuticals, effective Dec 1, through its UK subsidiary Potter&#039;s Ltd.

The purchase price was not released.

Equazen had a turnover of about 20 mln sfr in 2005 and makes a number of best-selling food supplements based on fish oil.

The acquisition will help the Bern-based group to significantly expand its brand portfolio in the UK.

Following the transaction, the combined Potter&#039;s and Equazen business will rank among the UK&#039;s 15 largest OTC/healthcare companies, Galenica said.

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=72535-equazen-galenica-omega-eye-q

Galenica snaps up UK omega-3 leader Equazen

05/12/2006  - UK omega-3 company Equazen has been purchased by Swiss pharma company Galenica, a move that looks set to take the brand to new heights in the competitive global market â€“ and free up its founder to focus on new research in the field.

Equazen claims much of the credit for the consumer on its home turf in the UK; its eye q supplement brand is the market leader, claiming around 30 per cent of the market. The sale to Galenica, the terms of which have not been disclosed, looks set to propel the brand into new international markets.

According to Euromonitor International, the omega-3 market grew by 243 per cent between 2003 and 2005. The sector has proved energetic at all levels of the supply chain, with a spate of deals between fish oil suppliers, technology providers, and manufacturers.

Much of the buzz has stemmed from scientific research into the benefits of omega-3, and Equazen&#039;s products have been used in some most groundbreaking studies, particularly in the Oxford-Durham study, which concluded that omega-3 can aid children&#039;s behaviour and concentration.

Founded in 1999, Equazen&#039;s 2005 sales ex factory were Â£8.7m (c â‚¬12.9m). As well as eye q for cognitive function, its range is made up of other consumer- and condition-specific products, such as cardiozen for cardiovascular health, mumomega for pregnancy and equavision for eye health.

In a climate where there are clear opportunities to be seized but where the market is becoming increasingly crowded, Equazen considered its options to leverage its success to date for the future.

â€œAs a family-run company we had to look very closely at our ability to hold our position in the UK trade sector and thought it would be wiser to run with a larger group,â€ founder and CEO Adam Kelliher told NutraIngredients.com.

Galenica, a public listed company with a strong presence in the Swiss health care market, had a 2005 turnover of â‚¬1.4bn. It is currently making inroads into the UK OTC sector: with Equazen added to the Potters herbal medicine company it acquired in 2003 it ranks amongst the top 15 OTC healthcare companies in the UK.

Equazen had several approaches, but some were interested solely in the brand and would have shut down operations, which would have meant lack of continuity in staff and standing in the marketplace.

Kelliher described Galenica as â€œwell-resourced, deeply committed to OTC naturals, and a perfect fit for accelerating the growth of Equazenâ€.

On an international level Equazen has a strong distribution presence in Europe, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. But Galenica is present in 90 countries, â€œso it has a lot of strength in areas we don&#039;tâ€.

In particular, the transaction gives scope for entry into untouched parts of Europe, Asia, and North America.

Kelliher will stay on to lead Equazen through a transitional period of at least six month.

But he will still have an ongoing commercial relationship with the company since after this he will shift his attention to Equateq, the company he started in January to focus on research and cutting-edge applications of omega-3.

When Equazen acquired the oil processing plant and research facility in the Outer Hebrides, Equazen was to be Equateq&#039;s main customer, using 60 per cent of the oil produced.

Despite the mounting interest, Kelliher said that the sector is still in its infancy as more research brings to light different applications for human health.

Part of the challenge is commercialising that research: â€œResearch has to have relevance for people buying products,â€ he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Equazen has just been bought by Galenica, reported twice below. Excellent to see that Adam Kelliher will now be concentrating on research!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2006/12/05/afx3228013.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2006/12/05/afx3228013.html</a></p>
<p> ZURICH (AFX) &#8211; Galenica Holding AG said it bought UK food supplements producer Equazen Nutraceuticals, effective Dec 1, through its UK subsidiary Potter&#8217;s Ltd.</p>
<p>The purchase price was not released.</p>
<p>Equazen had a turnover of about 20 mln sfr in 2005 and makes a number of best-selling food supplements based on fish oil.</p>
<p>The acquisition will help the Bern-based group to significantly expand its brand portfolio in the UK.</p>
<p>Following the transaction, the combined Potter&#8217;s and Equazen business will rank among the UK&#8217;s 15 largest OTC/healthcare companies, Galenica said.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=72535-equazen-galenica-omega-eye-q" rel="nofollow">http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=72535-equazen-galenica-omega-eye-q</a></p>
<p>Galenica snaps up UK omega-3 leader Equazen</p>
<p>05/12/2006  &#8211; UK omega-3 company Equazen has been purchased by Swiss pharma company Galenica, a move that looks set to take the brand to new heights in the competitive global market â€“ and free up its founder to focus on new research in the field.</p>
<p>Equazen claims much of the credit for the consumer on its home turf in the UK; its eye q supplement brand is the market leader, claiming around 30 per cent of the market. The sale to Galenica, the terms of which have not been disclosed, looks set to propel the brand into new international markets.</p>
<p>According to Euromonitor International, the omega-3 market grew by 243 per cent between 2003 and 2005. The sector has proved energetic at all levels of the supply chain, with a spate of deals between fish oil suppliers, technology providers, and manufacturers.</p>
<p>Much of the buzz has stemmed from scientific research into the benefits of omega-3, and Equazen&#8217;s products have been used in some most groundbreaking studies, particularly in the Oxford-Durham study, which concluded that omega-3 can aid children&#8217;s behaviour and concentration.</p>
<p>Founded in 1999, Equazen&#8217;s 2005 sales ex factory were Â£8.7m (c â‚¬12.9m). As well as eye q for cognitive function, its range is made up of other consumer- and condition-specific products, such as cardiozen for cardiovascular health, mumomega for pregnancy and equavision for eye health.</p>
<p>In a climate where there are clear opportunities to be seized but where the market is becoming increasingly crowded, Equazen considered its options to leverage its success to date for the future.</p>
<p>â€œAs a family-run company we had to look very closely at our ability to hold our position in the UK trade sector and thought it would be wiser to run with a larger group,â€ founder and CEO Adam Kelliher told <a href="http://NutraIngredients.com" title="http://NutraIngredients.com" target="_blank">NutraIngredients.com</a>.</p>
<p>Galenica, a public listed company with a strong presence in the Swiss health care market, had a 2005 turnover of â‚¬1.4bn. It is currently making inroads into the UK OTC sector: with Equazen added to the Potters herbal medicine company it acquired in 2003 it ranks amongst the top 15 OTC healthcare companies in the UK.</p>
<p>Equazen had several approaches, but some were interested solely in the brand and would have shut down operations, which would have meant lack of continuity in staff and standing in the marketplace.</p>
<p>Kelliher described Galenica as â€œwell-resourced, deeply committed to OTC naturals, and a perfect fit for accelerating the growth of Equazenâ€.</p>
<p>On an international level Equazen has a strong distribution presence in Europe, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. But Galenica is present in 90 countries, â€œso it has a lot of strength in areas we don&#8217;tâ€.</p>
<p>In particular, the transaction gives scope for entry into untouched parts of Europe, Asia, and North America.</p>
<p>Kelliher will stay on to lead Equazen through a transitional period of at least six month.</p>
<p>But he will still have an ongoing commercial relationship with the company since after this he will shift his attention to Equateq, the company he started in January to focus on research and cutting-edge applications of omega-3.</p>
<p>When Equazen acquired the oil processing plant and research facility in the Outer Hebrides, Equazen was to be Equateq&#8217;s main customer, using 60 per cent of the oil produced.</p>
<p>Despite the mounting interest, Kelliher said that the sector is still in its infancy as more research brings to light different applications for human health.</p>
<p>Part of the challenge is commercialising that research: â€œResearch has to have relevance for people buying products,â€ he said.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/big-pharma-and-pill-peddlers/comment-page-1/#comment-8055</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#47, Mrs Aust.  &quot;Lips that touch brine shall never...&quot; ?  :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One family theory is that daughter 1&#039;s taste for pickles is the result of her mother combating morning sickness by developing a serious dill pickle habit. I once saw &#039;er indoors devour an entire large jar of dill pickles at a single sitting - quite scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One family theory is that daughter 1&#8242;s taste for pickles is the result of her mother combating morning sickness by developing a serious dill pickle habit. I once saw &#8216;er indoors devour an entire large jar of dill pickles at a single sitting &#8211; quite scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Hate that poo-lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hate that poo-lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no.43 - yes i absolutely do say there is not enough good evidence, even for ADHD, but try not to be too disapproving as there is so little reliable evidence base to a lot of nutritional and dietetic stuff!! When i try to be disapproving i get asked to refer families on to &#039;a real nutritionist like that What not to eat doctor lady&#039; !!!  
and it sounds like your daughter is on the right track - well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no.43 &#8211; yes i absolutely do say there is not enough good evidence, even for ADHD, but try not to be too disapproving as there is so little reliable evidence base to a lot of nutritional and dietetic stuff!! When i try to be disapproving i get asked to refer families on to &#8216;a real nutritionist like that What not to eat doctor lady&#8217; !!!<br />
and it sounds like your daughter is on the right track &#8211; well done!</p>
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		<title>By: jdc325</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdc325</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#39 - Cheers Delster, I might use that one. I tried a new sardine sandwich last week - sardines mashed with olive oil, a good squeeze of lemon juice and some sliced tomato on brown bread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#39 &#8211; Cheers Delster, I might use that one. I tried a new sardine sandwich last week &#8211; sardines mashed with olive oil, a good squeeze of lemon juice and some sliced tomato on brown bread.</p>
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		<title>By: jdc325</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdc325</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38: Don&#039;t tempt me Ben. I need the money - although I am well aware that if I don&#039;t try to stop the &quot;dark lords&quot; I work for from making unscientific claims I may well be as bad as they are. I hope my boss doesn&#039;t walk in while I&#039;m writing this, but here goes... Today, I have been reviewing product information pages written by the marketing department of the pill-peddling company I work for and had to delete large chunks of information as my conscience won&#039;t allow me to let them unleash any more bad science on an unsuspecting public I&#039;m waiting now to see what they try to sneak back in. Please don&#039;t give anyone clues to my identity or refer to this in your newspaper column, as I can&#039;t afford to get sacked. I&#039;m wary of giving you examples of the bad science we use just in case anyone ever finds out what I&#039;m telling you, but rest assured there&#039;s plenty. (Oh, OK just the one to be going on with: Omega 3 fatty acids may help to maintain concentration levels). Are you interested in having a mole on the inside?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38: Don&#8217;t tempt me Ben. I need the money &#8211; although I am well aware that if I don&#8217;t try to stop the &#8220;dark lords&#8221; I work for from making unscientific claims I may well be as bad as they are. I hope my boss doesn&#8217;t walk in while I&#8217;m writing this, but here goes&#8230; Today, I have been reviewing product information pages written by the marketing department of the pill-peddling company I work for and had to delete large chunks of information as my conscience won&#8217;t allow me to let them unleash any more bad science on an unsuspecting public I&#8217;m waiting now to see what they try to sneak back in. Please don&#8217;t give anyone clues to my identity or refer to this in your newspaper column, as I can&#8217;t afford to get sacked. I&#8217;m wary of giving you examples of the bad science we use just in case anyone ever finds out what I&#8217;m telling you, but rest assured there&#8217;s plenty. (Oh, OK just the one to be going on with: Omega 3 fatty acids may help to maintain concentration levels). Are you interested in having a mole on the inside?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laudable, no. 42, esp. the advice re. eating oily fish first, but.... 

One might think the million dollar question is whether you say, or are professionally obliged to say at any point, &quot;there is no good scientific evidence that fish oil pills work&quot; or &quot;The only evidence it works is for kids with ADHD -there is no evidence it does anything for behaviourally normal children&quot;.

Once people start their kids on it, there is a good chance they will convince themselves it works - placebo effect at work. Cue more sales for the FishOil peddlars.

Talking of getting kids to eat oily fish, pity the British manufacturers can&#039;t work out a way to make decent-tasting tinned sardines. The French ones are usually much nicer and hence I would imagine easier to &quot;sell&quot; to children.

I also wonder whether children&#039;s often rather restricted tastes (i.e. not wanting to eat oliy fish) reflects the boring / flavourless sugar-loaded food they typically get given post-weaning? I have been amazed how enthusiastic our 2-yr old is about things I would never have expected, like &quot;smelly fish&quot; (sardines), garlic, strong pickled onions, etc. Keeping our fingers crossed that this taste range lives on into her school years..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laudable, no. 42, esp. the advice re. eating oily fish first, but&#8230;. </p>
<p>One might think the million dollar question is whether you say, or are professionally obliged to say at any point, &#8220;there is no good scientific evidence that fish oil pills work&#8221; or &#8220;The only evidence it works is for kids with ADHD -there is no evidence it does anything for behaviourally normal children&#8221;.</p>
<p>Once people start their kids on it, there is a good chance they will convince themselves it works &#8211; placebo effect at work. Cue more sales for the FishOil peddlars.</p>
<p>Talking of getting kids to eat oily fish, pity the British manufacturers can&#8217;t work out a way to make decent-tasting tinned sardines. The French ones are usually much nicer and hence I would imagine easier to &#8220;sell&#8221; to children.</p>
<p>I also wonder whether children&#8217;s often rather restricted tastes (i.e. not wanting to eat oliy fish) reflects the boring / flavourless sugar-loaded food they typically get given post-weaning? I have been amazed how enthusiastic our 2-yr old is about things I would never have expected, like &#8220;smelly fish&#8221; (sardines), garlic, strong pickled onions, etc. Keeping our fingers crossed that this taste range lives on into her school years..</p>
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		<title>By: Hate that poo-lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hate that poo-lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. I often am asked to advise parents on taking fish oils, particularly Eye-Q, and tend to advise to aim to have the recommended 2 portions of fish a week first.  However, as fish is not popular with children - particularly the omega3 rich oily fish, and so parents are keen to try these supplements whether or not there is enough evidence

I say that if they want to try fish oil supplements, to make sure they are not too high in vitamin A, purified to remove harmful pollutants (as most brands are anyway), to check with their doctor if they have epilepsy or clotting problems and to stop them well in advanced of any planned surgery due to the possible reduced blood clotting effect.

I then say to start them when there are not other big changes in their lifestyle, and to review whether they think they have had any effect (on their child&#039;s behaviour/concentration/school performance) after a few months.  In my experience, some parents don&#039;t see any improvement, and some are convinced they do.  Many aren&#039;t sure and continue giving them to their children just in case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. I often am asked to advise parents on taking fish oils, particularly Eye-Q, and tend to advise to aim to have the recommended 2 portions of fish a week first.  However, as fish is not popular with children &#8211; particularly the omega3 rich oily fish, and so parents are keen to try these supplements whether or not there is enough evidence</p>
<p>I say that if they want to try fish oil supplements, to make sure they are not too high in vitamin A, purified to remove harmful pollutants (as most brands are anyway), to check with their doctor if they have epilepsy or clotting problems and to stop them well in advanced of any planned surgery due to the possible reduced blood clotting effect.</p>
<p>I then say to start them when there are not other big changes in their lifestyle, and to review whether they think they have had any effect (on their child&#8217;s behaviour/concentration/school performance) after a few months.  In my experience, some parents don&#8217;t see any improvement, and some are convinced they do.  Many aren&#8217;t sure and continue giving them to their children just in case.</p>
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		<title>By: Hate that poo-lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hate that poo-lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jdc - i agree w Dr Aust, look into training as a dietitian - i&#039;m one and i&#039;ve found the training and experience in the NHS invaluable - our role is to translate nutritional science into practical and acceptable advice to people of all walks of life. 

My job working with children overlaps with aspects of counselling, social work, education, management, strategic planning, resource development, marketting, speech therapy, psychology, etc etc.  I see children at home who are terminally ill and need to be tube-fed, children with special needs in schools, and all range of nutritional problems in clinics - from allergies, malnutrition, obesity, liver and kidney diseases and various rare metabolic.  I&#039;ve also been involved in research and innovative nutritional treatments. Outside the NHS there are lots of opportunites to work in industry, with supermarkets or weight-management firms, food manufacturers, media, sports or malnutrition overseas, to name a few. 

Being a dietitian is not for everyone though, and hopefully the title nutritionist will be a protected by law like dietitian is.  Legitimate nutritionists have a recognised degree in nutrition and can do much of the work i described above that dietitians do out of the NHS - particularly public health policy planning and research.  Nutritionists also work for the NHS often alongside dietitians and sometimes giving advice - but on non-clinical stuff - for example on weight management, weaning babies, healthy eating. The nutrition society lists legitimate nutrition degree courses.

I&#039;d be wary of any courses in nutritional therapy if you want to be viewed with any credibility.

Sorry to go on, but i love my job, and really value the legitimate nutritionists i work with!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdc &#8211; i agree w Dr Aust, look into training as a dietitian &#8211; i&#8217;m one and i&#8217;ve found the training and experience in the NHS invaluable &#8211; our role is to translate nutritional science into practical and acceptable advice to people of all walks of life. </p>
<p>My job working with children overlaps with aspects of counselling, social work, education, management, strategic planning, resource development, marketting, speech therapy, psychology, etc etc.  I see children at home who are terminally ill and need to be tube-fed, children with special needs in schools, and all range of nutritional problems in clinics &#8211; from allergies, malnutrition, obesity, liver and kidney diseases and various rare metabolic.  I&#8217;ve also been involved in research and innovative nutritional treatments. Outside the NHS there are lots of opportunites to work in industry, with supermarkets or weight-management firms, food manufacturers, media, sports or malnutrition overseas, to name a few. </p>
<p>Being a dietitian is not for everyone though, and hopefully the title nutritionist will be a protected by law like dietitian is.  Legitimate nutritionists have a recognised degree in nutrition and can do much of the work i described above that dietitians do out of the NHS &#8211; particularly public health policy planning and research.  Nutritionists also work for the NHS often alongside dietitians and sometimes giving advice &#8211; but on non-clinical stuff &#8211; for example on weight management, weaning babies, healthy eating. The nutrition society lists legitimate nutrition degree courses.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be wary of any courses in nutritional therapy if you want to be viewed with any credibility.</p>
<p>Sorry to go on, but i love my job, and really value the legitimate nutritionists i work with!!</p>
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		<title>By: stever</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/big-pharma-and-pill-peddlers/comment-page-1/#comment-7966</link>
		<dc:creator>stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mmmm sardines</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmmm sardines</p>
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		<title>By: Delster</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/big-pharma-and-pill-peddlers/comment-page-1/#comment-7965</link>
		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep.... sardines grilled with lemon juice and butter beats a pill anyday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep&#8230;. sardines grilled with lemon juice and butter beats a pill anyday!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/big-pharma-and-pill-peddlers/comment-page-1/#comment-7964</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jdc: does that mean youre giving up the day job at the pill peddlers? ; )</description>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/big-pharma-and-pill-peddlers/comment-page-1/#comment-7963</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you jdc

A rather general theme that has emerged in many pieces of nutrition-related medical research is that eating a range of foods rich in things that are generally good for you (aka &quot;a healthy balanced diet with plenty of fresh produce&quot;) has health benefits, while chomping SUPPLEMENTS containing the &quot;magic things that ought to protect you from X Y or Z&quot; is ineffective.

As a consequence I have rarely (if ever) never met a doctor or scientist who is a believer in paying Boots for dietary supplements. Most favour fresh fruit and veg and sardines.

Note that as well as being better supported by the evidence this option is probably cheaper , and certainly a great deal more enjoyable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you jdc</p>
<p>A rather general theme that has emerged in many pieces of nutrition-related medical research is that eating a range of foods rich in things that are generally good for you (aka &#8220;a healthy balanced diet with plenty of fresh produce&#8221;) has health benefits, while chomping SUPPLEMENTS containing the &#8220;magic things that ought to protect you from X Y or Z&#8221; is ineffective.</p>
<p>As a consequence I have rarely (if ever) never met a doctor or scientist who is a believer in paying Boots for dietary supplements. Most favour fresh fruit and veg and sardines.</p>
<p>Note that as well as being better supported by the evidence this option is probably cheaper , and certainly a great deal more enjoyable.</p>
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		<title>By: jdc325</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/big-pharma-and-pill-peddlers/comment-page-1/#comment-7962</link>
		<dc:creator>jdc325</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#35 Ken Zetie:
I read that Omega 3 Fatty Acids may decrease incidence of one type of stroke (ischaemic), although by the same token they may increase incidence of another type of stroke (haemorhhagic). The increased incidence of the second type of stroke fits with the evidence of decreased incidence of the first type of stroke due to the &quot;blood-thinning&quot; properties of Omega 3 fatty acids - therefore Omega 3 will help decrease your risk of stroke ONLY if you already know which type of stroke you are more likely to suffer. Re brain development - the specific omega 3 fatty acid (can I just call them n-3 PUFAs?) that is involved is DHA and generally a store of this type of fat is built up prior to birth and in early infancy - as I understand it, the foetus/neonate receives DHA from the mother across the placenta and, following birth, through breast milk. It would therefore seem inappropriate to me to claim any benefit on brain development for {example} children aged 3 and upwards, as appears on most n3 PUFA labels and as seems to be implied by BUPA. With regards inflammation - anti-inflammatory series three prostaglandins (such as PGE3) are formed from eicosapentaenoic acid, but I would imagine one could argue (or even test the theory) that these are formed by the body on an as-required basis in response to &#039;excessive&#039; levels of series two prostaglandins which are formed as metabolites of arachidonic acid, the omega 6 PUFA. 

*This links in with the use of Evening Primrose Oil that has been criticised by many as having no basis. The alleged basis is that the body may require higher levels of n6-PUFA as found in EPO to form series 1/ series 2 prostaglandins. As the intake of n6 PUFAs already far exceeds that of n3 PUFAs, I would be astonished if increased intake of n6 PUFAs benefitted health in any way. High levels of n6 PUFAs have been &#039;associated&#039; with conditions that are exacerbated by inflammation - cancer, arthritis etc... Increasing ones intake of n6 PUFAs by taking EPO supplements would seem to me to be unwise. Fish such as sardines contain a mixture of mono- and poly- unsaturated fatty acids and as such would presumably provide the body with whichever fatty acids were required. Natural versus man-made: I know what my money is on. We&#039;re back therefore to general, basic (and very un-sexy) messages about eating sensible, balanced diets. I think the posts on this page have made my mind up. I&#039;m changing sides - screw the nutritionists and vive le common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#35 Ken Zetie:<br />
I read that Omega 3 Fatty Acids may decrease incidence of one type of stroke (ischaemic), although by the same token they may increase incidence of another type of stroke (haemorhhagic). The increased incidence of the second type of stroke fits with the evidence of decreased incidence of the first type of stroke due to the &#8220;blood-thinning&#8221; properties of Omega 3 fatty acids &#8211; therefore Omega 3 will help decrease your risk of stroke ONLY if you already know which type of stroke you are more likely to suffer. Re brain development &#8211; the specific omega 3 fatty acid (can I just call them n-3 PUFAs?) that is involved is DHA and generally a store of this type of fat is built up prior to birth and in early infancy &#8211; as I understand it, the foetus/neonate receives DHA from the mother across the placenta and, following birth, through breast milk. It would therefore seem inappropriate to me to claim any benefit on brain development for {example} children aged 3 and upwards, as appears on most n3 PUFA labels and as seems to be implied by BUPA. With regards inflammation &#8211; anti-inflammatory series three prostaglandins (such as PGE3) are formed from eicosapentaenoic acid, but I would imagine one could argue (or even test the theory) that these are formed by the body on an as-required basis in response to &#8216;excessive&#8217; levels of series two prostaglandins which are formed as metabolites of arachidonic acid, the omega 6 PUFA. </p>
<p>*This links in with the use of Evening Primrose Oil that has been criticised by many as having no basis. The alleged basis is that the body may require higher levels of n6-PUFA as found in EPO to form series 1/ series 2 prostaglandins. As the intake of n6 PUFAs already far exceeds that of n3 PUFAs, I would be astonished if increased intake of n6 PUFAs benefitted health in any way. High levels of n6 PUFAs have been &#8216;associated&#8217; with conditions that are exacerbated by inflammation &#8211; cancer, arthritis etc&#8230; Increasing ones intake of n6 PUFAs by taking EPO supplements would seem to me to be unwise. Fish such as sardines contain a mixture of mono- and poly- unsaturated fatty acids and as such would presumably provide the body with whichever fatty acids were required. Natural versus man-made: I know what my money is on. We&#8217;re back therefore to general, basic (and very un-sexy) messages about eating sensible, balanced diets. I think the posts on this page have made my mind up. I&#8217;m changing sides &#8211; screw the nutritionists and vive le common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Zetie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/big-pharma-and-pill-peddlers/comment-page-1/#comment-7961</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Zetie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife just received the following email from BUPA (Apologies for the length but it would be unfair to edit someone else&#039;s statements):

&quot;ALL ABOUT OMEGA-3
---------------------------

Research has shown that omega-3 fatty acids have properties that promote healthy brain development and decrease inflammation in the body. In addition, studies have shown a link between omega-3 fatty acids and good heart health. 

Increasing omega-3 fatty acids in your diet on a regular basis may:

__Decrease risk of sudden cardiac death __Lower triglyceride levels __Decrease growth of plaque on artery walls __Prevent irregular heartbeat __Prevent excessive blood clots from forming __Lower blood pressure 

To read more about omega-3 foods and why they&#039;re good for you click the link below or copy &amp; paste into your browser:

http://www.bupa-php.co.uk/redirect.asp?p=ar&amp;c=104&amp;v=113810&amp;ck=bupawell&amp;cp=bupawell
&quot;

The bit about &#039;promote healthy brain development&#039; isn&#039;t repeated in the second list of benefits which &#039;may&#039; happen. I guess if you take Omega-3 you &#039;may&#039; win the lottery too...

Sigh

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife just received the following email from BUPA (Apologies for the length but it would be unfair to edit someone else&#8217;s statements):</p>
<p>&#8220;ALL ABOUT OMEGA-3<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Research has shown that omega-3 fatty acids have properties that promote healthy brain development and decrease inflammation in the body. In addition, studies have shown a link between omega-3 fatty acids and good heart health. </p>
<p>Increasing omega-3 fatty acids in your diet on a regular basis may:</p>
<p>__Decrease risk of sudden cardiac death __Lower triglyceride levels __Decrease growth of plaque on artery walls __Prevent irregular heartbeat __Prevent excessive blood clots from forming __Lower blood pressure </p>
<p>To read more about omega-3 foods and why they&#8217;re good for you click the link below or copy &amp; paste into your browser:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bupa-php.co.uk/redirect.asp?p=ar&amp;c=104&amp;v=113810&amp;ck=bupawell&amp;cp=bupawell" rel="nofollow">http://www.bupa-php.co.uk/redirect.asp?p=ar&amp;c=104&amp;v=113810&amp;ck=bupawell&amp;cp=bupawell</a><br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>The bit about &#8216;promote healthy brain development&#8217; isn&#8217;t repeated in the second list of benefits which &#8216;may&#8217; happen. I guess if you take Omega-3 you &#8216;may&#8217; win the lottery too&#8230;</p>
<p>Sigh</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>By: jdc325</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/big-pharma-and-pill-peddlers/comment-page-1/#comment-7959</link>
		<dc:creator>jdc325</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #29 from Dr Aust:
1. Thank you for the link and your final sentence.
2. Quick question - although some believe we are overly keen on legislating for everything these days, would you (personally) be in favour of some kind of law/directive regarding (a) Disclosure of (financial and personal) interests (b) Disclosure of academic credentials? 
3. If by &#039;hucksters&#039; you mean the likes of &#039;celebrity poo doctor&#039; G McTeith, then I am in total agreement - I used to watch YAWYE on C4, but found it to be seriously bad for my blood pressure as attested by my red/purple face by the time each episode finished. (see also 2(b) with regards &quot;Dr&quot; McTeeth.
4. I would humbly suggest that one reason scientists are cynical about nutritionists is because of &quot;Daily Mail Syndrome&quot; - unless something is proclaimed as a miracle cure, it is unlikely to gain media attention and therefore only those making claims they (probably) can&#039;t back up will get coverage. Other reasons include the fact that ANYONE can use (misuse?) the term nutritionist, as it is not a protected term.
5. Re. &quot;Even the most apparently scientific/serious bits of the supplements industry&quot; - having viewed the Equazen website (the [misleading] fish counter being particularly amusing), I would struggle to describe Equazen as serious or respectable.
6. To sum up - I guess I am a fan of nutrition, but not nutritionists. I&#039;m sure that Hippocrates couldn&#039;t have imagined the consequences of his dictum(s) on food and medicine - but maybe he is to blame! Change Hippocratic oath to hypocritical oath and you could have a code for the McTeiths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #29 from Dr Aust:<br />
1. Thank you for the link and your final sentence.<br />
2. Quick question &#8211; although some believe we are overly keen on legislating for everything these days, would you (personally) be in favour of some kind of law/directive regarding (a) Disclosure of (financial and personal) interests (b) Disclosure of academic credentials?<br />
3. If by &#8216;hucksters&#8217; you mean the likes of &#8216;celebrity poo doctor&#8217; G McTeith, then I am in total agreement &#8211; I used to watch YAWYE on C4, but found it to be seriously bad for my blood pressure as attested by my red/purple face by the time each episode finished. (see also 2(b) with regards &#8220;Dr&#8221; McTeeth.<br />
4. I would humbly suggest that one reason scientists are cynical about nutritionists is because of &#8220;Daily Mail Syndrome&#8221; &#8211; unless something is proclaimed as a miracle cure, it is unlikely to gain media attention and therefore only those making claims they (probably) can&#8217;t back up will get coverage. Other reasons include the fact that ANYONE can use (misuse?) the term nutritionist, as it is not a protected term.<br />
5. Re. &#8220;Even the most apparently scientific/serious bits of the supplements industry&#8221; &#8211; having viewed the Equazen website (the [misleading] fish counter being particularly amusing), I would struggle to describe Equazen as serious or respectable.<br />
6. To sum up &#8211; I guess I am a fan of nutrition, but not nutritionists. I&#8217;m sure that Hippocrates couldn&#8217;t have imagined the consequences of his dictum(s) on food and medicine &#8211; but maybe he is to blame! Change Hippocratic oath to hypocritical oath and you could have a code for the McTeiths.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yup. slippery fish oil characters, fishy trials, rotten.. er... fishy boroughs, er, fatty acid fat cats, these and other permutations i have studiously avoided. and yet here you are. sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yup. slippery fish oil characters, fishy trials, rotten.. er&#8230; fishy boroughs, er, fatty acid fat cats, these and other permutations i have studiously avoided. and yet here you are. sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: ceec</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or maybe the oil made them too slippery to actually make any kind of case and they er... slid off the programme</description>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/big-pharma-and-pill-peddlers/comment-page-1/#comment-7954</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned it - sorry, looks like they didn&#039;t run it.   I swear they mentioned it yesterday - unless I was hallucinating due to lack of fish oil ;) - but yeah, it wasn&#039;t on today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned it &#8211; sorry, looks like they didn&#8217;t run it.   I swear they mentioned it yesterday &#8211; unless I was hallucinating due to lack of fish oil <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; but yeah, it wasn&#8217;t on today.</p>
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