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		<title>By: jiangjiang</title>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean
That bit is from the whereas (and not even the bit about homeopathy), which is just a preamble accepting the basic criteria.
It&#039;s in the articles that you have to look to see what must be done

Elsewhere in the whereas, you should see #22. For articles, see #13 - #15, specifically #13.2:
&quot;Member States shall establish a special simplified registration procedure for the homeopathic medicinal products referred to in Article 14.&quot;

Interestingly, in article 14, which defines the products for which this simplified registration procedure is available, it states
&quot;no specific therapeutic indication appears on the labelling of the medicinal product or in any information relating thereto&quot;

This contrasts, at least for me, with the MHRA&#039;s press release:
&quot;... companies will be allowed to include information about the treatment and relief of minor, self-limiting conditions based on the use of the product within the homeopathic tradition. For example, labels may indicate that a product may relieve the symptoms of common colds and coughs, hay fever or chilblains&quot;.

I think I&#039;ll have a word with some friends in the commission, since a few of them are around today, about whether or not they think the 2 are compatible.

TB - suggest you stop being such a sarky git when you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean<br />
That bit is from the whereas (and not even the bit about homeopathy), which is just a preamble accepting the basic criteria.<br />
It&#8217;s in the articles that you have to look to see what must be done</p>
<p>Elsewhere in the whereas, you should see #22. For articles, see #13 &#8211; #15, specifically #13.2:<br />
&#8220;Member States shall establish a special simplified registration procedure for the homeopathic medicinal products referred to in Article 14.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interestingly, in article 14, which defines the products for which this simplified registration procedure is available, it states<br />
&#8220;no specific therapeutic indication appears on the labelling of the medicinal product or in any information relating thereto&#8221;</p>
<p>This contrasts, at least for me, with the MHRA&#8217;s press release:<br />
&#8220;&#8230; companies will be allowed to include information about the treatment and relief of minor, self-limiting conditions based on the use of the product within the homeopathic tradition. For example, labels may indicate that a product may relieve the symptoms of common colds and coughs, hay fever or chilblains&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll have a word with some friends in the commission, since a few of them are around today, about whether or not they think the 2 are compatible.</p>
<p>TB &#8211; suggest you stop being such a sarky git when you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about</p>
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		<title>By: three tigers</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/friends-in-high-places/comment-page-1/#comment-7646</link>
		<dc:creator>three tigers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this part of the press release the most 

&quot;...treatment and relief of minor, self-limiting conditions...&quot;  

I think the &quot;clue&quot; for all those with more money than sense (users of homeopathy, traditional chinese quackery, etc) is the term &quot;self-limiting&quot;.  Hint:  these things get better on their own!

Interestingly, here in Switzerland which is a hot-bed of homeopathy and other related clap-trap (German influence perhaps), homeopathy has just stopped being supported by the basic obligatory part of our heath insurance.  So now at least you have to pay for it yourself or include CAM in your optional-extras cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this part of the press release the most </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;treatment and relief of minor, self-limiting conditions&#8230;&#8221;  </p>
<p>I think the &#8220;clue&#8221; for all those with more money than sense (users of homeopathy, traditional chinese quackery, etc) is the term &#8220;self-limiting&#8221;.  Hint:  these things get better on their own!</p>
<p>Interestingly, here in Switzerland which is a hot-bed of homeopathy and other related clap-trap (German influence perhaps), homeopathy has just stopped being supported by the basic obligatory part of our heath insurance.  So now at least you have to pay for it yourself or include CAM in your optional-extras cover.</p>
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		<title>By: prescience</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/friends-in-high-places/comment-page-1/#comment-7501</link>
		<dc:creator>prescience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Please don&#039;t drop this one. 

What next  - the MHRA enhancing consumer confidence in bear gall bladders, tiger penises and rhinoceros horns?

I agree with sfluendy: we should get the noodly appendage of the flying spaghetti monster (www.venganza.org (and that&#039;s a url worth translating into English)) endorsed by the MHRA as valid therapy for, well, everything really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t drop this one. </p>
<p>What next  &#8211; the MHRA enhancing consumer confidence in bear gall bladders, tiger penises and rhinoceros horns?</p>
<p>I agree with sfluendy: we should get the noodly appendage of the flying spaghetti monster (<a href="http://www.venganza.org" class="autohyperlink" title="http://www.venganza.org" target="_blank">www.venganza.org</a> (and that&#8217;s a url worth translating into English)) endorsed by the MHRA as valid therapy for, well, everything really.</p>
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		<title>By: Delster</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/friends-in-high-places/comment-page-1/#comment-7434</link>
		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 10:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i&#039;ve come into this a bit late but looking through all the previous comments i don;t think anybody has picked up on this one yet.  In Ben&#039;s posting of the release section 5 says

&quot;5. The MHRA is the government agency that is responsible for ensuring that medicines and medical devices work, and are acceptably safe. We keep watch over medicines and devices, and we take any necessary action to protect the public promptly if there is a problem. No product is risk-free. Underpinning all our work lie robust and fact-based judgements to ensure that the benefits to patients and the public justify the risks.&quot;

Surely the key sentance here is the first one which say&#039;s &quot;ensuring that medicines and medical devices work, and are acceptably safe&quot;

Now nobody can argue that the sugar pills are safe (unless your diabetic maybe?) as they effectivly have no active ingredients but i&#039;m fairly sure they could be hung out to dry on the first bit about them having to work.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i&#8217;ve come into this a bit late but looking through all the previous comments i don;t think anybody has picked up on this one yet.  In Ben&#8217;s posting of the release section 5 says</p>
<p>&#8220;5. The MHRA is the government agency that is responsible for ensuring that medicines and medical devices work, and are acceptably safe. We keep watch over medicines and devices, and we take any necessary action to protect the public promptly if there is a problem. No product is risk-free. Underpinning all our work lie robust and fact-based judgements to ensure that the benefits to patients and the public justify the risks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely the key sentance here is the first one which say&#8217;s &#8220;ensuring that medicines and medical devices work, and are acceptably safe&#8221;</p>
<p>Now nobody can argue that the sugar pills are safe (unless your diabetic maybe?) as they effectivly have no active ingredients but i&#8217;m fairly sure they could be hung out to dry on the first bit about them having to work&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/friends-in-high-places/comment-page-1/#comment-7409</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suggest Tom P reads it. Directives contain guidance about which must be implemented and which can be decided by national governments. In this case, the implementation of homeopathy rules was optional as Neoteny says. MHRA came up with six options to government and highlighted the one they thought best (that was the one just implemented). The six options included doing nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggest Tom P reads it. Directives contain guidance about which must be implemented and which can be decided by national governments. In this case, the implementation of homeopathy rules was optional as Neoteny says. MHRA came up with six options to government and highlighted the one they thought best (that was the one just implemented). The six options included doing nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/friends-in-high-places/comment-page-1/#comment-7404</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to mean you could interpret the directive in whatever way you want to - the rules for states with a &#039;homeopathic tradition&#039; can be different for example (do we count as a having a homeopathic tradition?)

Look at his carefully:

(7) The concepts of harmfulness and therapeutic
efficacy can only be examined in relation to each
other and have only a relative significance
depending on the progress of scientific
knowledge and the use for which the medicinal
product is intended. The particulars and
documents which must accompany an
application for marketing authorization for a
medicinal product demonstrate that potential
risks are outweighed by the therapeutic efficacy
of the product.

(8) Standards and protocols for the performance
of tests and trials on medicinal products are an
effective means of control of these products and
hence of protecting public health and can
facilitate the movement of these products by
laying down uniform rules applicable to tests and
trials, the compilation of dossiers and the
examination of applications


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semms to me that they could have insisted on trials to prove efficacy if thay had wanted to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to mean you could interpret the directive in whatever way you want to &#8211; the rules for states with a &#8216;homeopathic tradition&#8217; can be different for example (do we count as a having a homeopathic tradition?)</p>
<p>Look at his carefully:</p>
<p>(7) The concepts of harmfulness and therapeutic<br />
efficacy can only be examined in relation to each<br />
other and have only a relative significance<br />
depending on the progress of scientific<br />
knowledge and the use for which the medicinal<br />
product is intended. The particulars and<br />
documents which must accompany an<br />
application for marketing authorization for a<br />
medicinal product demonstrate that potential<br />
risks are outweighed by the therapeutic efficacy<br />
of the product.</p>
<p>(8) Standards and protocols for the performance<br />
of tests and trials on medicinal products are an<br />
effective means of control of these products and<br />
hence of protecting public health and can<br />
facilitate the movement of these products by<br />
laying down uniform rules applicable to tests and<br />
trials, the compilation of dossiers and the<br />
examination of applications</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>semms to me that they could have insisted on trials to prove efficacy if thay had wanted to.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob O'H</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/friends-in-high-places/comment-page-1/#comment-7387</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob O'H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you want anyone to blame, blame the Germans. &quot;

Hiw should the Daily Mail react to this?  Bash woo, or bash the Germans?  Quandries like these show how difficult tabloid journalism can be.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you want anyone to blame, blame the Germans. &#8221;</p>
<p>Hiw should the Daily Mail react to this?  Bash woo, or bash the Germans?  Quandries like these show how difficult tabloid journalism can be.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neoteny - complying with European directives is not optional. They have to be implemented into national legislation, and as long as the intention of the directive is implemented, then that&#039;s sufficient, it can be done in one or in many pieces as has happened here, otherwise the European Commission will take the government who has not (or has partially) implemented the directive to the european court of justice.

This happened to Germany with a dfferent part of this directive and Germany lost hands down (no link, but I work for an agency of the commission).

To be fair to the MHRA (something I&#039;m loth to do since I used to work there), this is not their fault at all, and the press release and Kent&#039;s quotes are them putting the best possible spin on something they *really* don&#039;t want to do. The Times&#039; use of the phrase &#039;The MHRA has now taken advantage of a new EC Directive...&#039; is disingenuous. The UK governement has implemented the directive and the MHRA is doing what it&#039;s supposed to, which is doing the practical bits of enacting UK and EU legislation within the UK. The government has actually taken as long as they realistically could in getting around to this. 2001/83 was supposed to be fully implemented into national legislation by 31 October 2005, and other parts of the directive have been in place in the UK since way before then. At least they dragged their heels on it.

If you want anyone to blame, blame the Germans. They *heart* their homeopathy and it will&#039;ve been their lobbying that got the relevant articles into Directive 2001/83/EC. If you want to blame someone closer to home, then try our parliamentary system which didn&#039;t properly scrutinise the legislation and reject these clauses long before 2001.

Sorry for the long post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neoteny &#8211; complying with European directives is not optional. They have to be implemented into national legislation, and as long as the intention of the directive is implemented, then that&#8217;s sufficient, it can be done in one or in many pieces as has happened here, otherwise the European Commission will take the government who has not (or has partially) implemented the directive to the european court of justice.</p>
<p>This happened to Germany with a dfferent part of this directive and Germany lost hands down (no link, but I work for an agency of the commission).</p>
<p>To be fair to the MHRA (something I&#8217;m loth to do since I used to work there), this is not their fault at all, and the press release and Kent&#8217;s quotes are them putting the best possible spin on something they *really* don&#8217;t want to do. The Times&#8217; use of the phrase &#8216;The MHRA has now taken advantage of a new EC Directive&#8230;&#8217; is disingenuous. The UK governement has implemented the directive and the MHRA is doing what it&#8217;s supposed to, which is doing the practical bits of enacting UK and EU legislation within the UK. The government has actually taken as long as they realistically could in getting around to this. 2001/83 was supposed to be fully implemented into national legislation by 31 October 2005, and other parts of the directive have been in place in the UK since way before then. At least they dragged their heels on it.</p>
<p>If you want anyone to blame, blame the Germans. They *heart* their homeopathy and it will&#8217;ve been their lobbying that got the relevant articles into Directive 2001/83/EC. If you want to blame someone closer to home, then try our parliamentary system which didn&#8217;t properly scrutinise the legislation and reject these clauses long before 2001.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long post</p>
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		<title>By: neoteny</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/friends-in-high-places/comment-page-1/#comment-7366</link>
		<dc:creator>neoteny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to the above regarding the EC directive, here is a link to the statutory instrument: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2006/20061952.htm , where an explanatory note states that::

&quot;These Regulations make amendments to the Medicines for Human Use (Marketing Authorisations Etc.) Regulations 1994 (&quot;the 1994 Regulations&quot;), which implement the provisions of Directive 2001/83/EC on the Community code relating to medicinal products for human use (&quot;the 2001 Directive&quot;)[5] relating to marketing authorisations, to introduce a new scheme for applications for such authorizations for certain homoeopathic medicinal products. Article 16(2) of the 2001 Directive permits Member States to introduce in their territory specific rules for pre-clinical tests and clinical trials of such products.&quot;

The full text of Directive 2001/83/EC can be found here:
http://pharmacos.eudra.org/F2/eudralex/vol-1/CONSOL_2004/Human%20Code.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to the above regarding the EC directive, here is a link to the statutory instrument: <a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2006/20061952.htm" rel="nofollow">www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2006/20061952.htm</a> , where an explanatory note states that::</p>
<p>&#8220;These Regulations make amendments to the Medicines for Human Use (Marketing Authorisations Etc.) Regulations 1994 (&#8220;the 1994 Regulations&#8221;), which implement the provisions of Directive 2001/83/EC on the Community code relating to medicinal products for human use (&#8220;the 2001 Directive&#8221;)[5] relating to marketing authorisations, to introduce a new scheme for applications for such authorizations for certain homoeopathic medicinal products. Article 16(2) of the 2001 Directive permits Member States to introduce in their territory specific rules for pre-clinical tests and clinical trials of such products.&#8221;</p>
<p>The full text of Directive 2001/83/EC can be found here:<br />
<a href="http://pharmacos.eudra.org/F2/eudralex/vol-1/CONSOL_2004/Human%20Code.pdf" rel="nofollow">pharmacos.eudra.org/F2/eudralex/vol-1/CONSOL_2004/Human%20Code.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: neoteny</title>
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		<dc:creator>neoteny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to today&#039;s Times:

&quot;The MHRA has now taken advantage of a new EC Directive to amend the way homoeopathic products are sold. The changes were introduced by way of a statutory instrument. 

The new regulations say: â€œAn application for a national homoeopathic product is not required to comply with the requirement to submit the results of pre-clinical tests and clinical trials.â€&quot;

What on earth is the EC doing?  I wonder whether complying with this directive is optional?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to today&#8217;s Times:</p>
<p>&#8220;The MHRA has now taken advantage of a new EC Directive to amend the way homoeopathic products are sold. The changes were introduced by way of a statutory instrument. </p>
<p>The new regulations say: â€œAn application for a national homoeopathic product is not required to comply with the requirement to submit the results of pre-clinical tests and clinical trials.â€&#8221;</p>
<p>What on earth is the EC doing?  I wonder whether complying with this directive is optional?</p>
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		<title>By: clairebio1</title>
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		<dc:creator>clairebio1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding possible harm from homeopathy, Asthma UK claims that most asthma deaths are preventable and many are due to failure to comply with prescribed medications - chiefly inhaled steroids. I wonder has anybody ever tried - or is it possible - to find out how many of these dead asthmatics were discouraged from using these medications by homeopaths? In the case of adult deaths, you can argue it&#039;s their choice, but every year there are a certain number of child deaths, recorded as asthma. To lose a child is unspeakably awful but to lose one, and then to be told it might have been relatively easily preventable, must be unbearable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding possible harm from homeopathy, Asthma UK claims that most asthma deaths are preventable and many are due to failure to comply with prescribed medications &#8211; chiefly inhaled steroids. I wonder has anybody ever tried &#8211; or is it possible &#8211; to find out how many of these dead asthmatics were discouraged from using these medications by homeopaths? In the case of adult deaths, you can argue it&#8217;s their choice, but every year there are a certain number of child deaths, recorded as asthma. To lose a child is unspeakably awful but to lose one, and then to be told it might have been relatively easily preventable, must be unbearable.</p>
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		<title>By: sfluendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sfluendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm this bibliometric thing is interesting.
It was pointed out to me that quite a lot of highly useful drugs would never have made the pharamcists&#039; counters if they had gone through modern testing procedures.
Aspirin springs to mind. Yes, yes, i know it&#039;s a wonder drug but it&#039;s also dangerous with loads of contra-indications.

I suppose this past claims things could cut both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm this bibliometric thing is interesting.<br />
It was pointed out to me that quite a lot of highly useful drugs would never have made the pharamcists&#8217; counters if they had gone through modern testing procedures.<br />
Aspirin springs to mind. Yes, yes, i know it&#8217;s a wonder drug but it&#8217;s also dangerous with loads of contra-indications.</p>
<p>I suppose this past claims things could cut both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndrewT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding whether anyone can set up their own homeopathic nonsense, unfortunatly, it is not so simple. i met a very senior mhra bod at a conference, and naturally i made him talk about homeopathy. the key criteria is that biobliometiric data is now valid data. that is, if people have written it down in the past, mhra can approve it. so if you want to make your own fancy dan sugar pills, you need to write about them for 10 years, claim literature, and then bingo, onto the market properly. there may be political reasons why they choose to licence certain products...

he deliberatley said absolutely nothing incriminating against this policy, but his body language suggested he was deeply unhappy with this state of affairs. it was this that lead me to believe that mhra are not that independent of governmental (whoever that may be) policy, and are not that happy about that either. therefore does mhra deserve the kicking people want to seem to give it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding whether anyone can set up their own homeopathic nonsense, unfortunatly, it is not so simple. i met a very senior mhra bod at a conference, and naturally i made him talk about homeopathy. the key criteria is that biobliometiric data is now valid data. that is, if people have written it down in the past, mhra can approve it. so if you want to make your own fancy dan sugar pills, you need to write about them for 10 years, claim literature, and then bingo, onto the market properly. there may be political reasons why they choose to licence certain products&#8230;</p>
<p>he deliberatley said absolutely nothing incriminating against this policy, but his body language suggested he was deeply unhappy with this state of affairs. it was this that lead me to believe that mhra are not that independent of governmental (whoever that may be) policy, and are not that happy about that either. therefore does mhra deserve the kicking people want to seem to give it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oxford west and abingdon. he is a well clever bloke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oxford west and abingdon. he is a well clever bloke.</p>
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		<title>By: glutam9</title>
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		<dc:creator>glutam9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad the flying spaghetti monster has made an appearance. I thought of something along those lines. Ive emailed the MHRA to ask why just homeopathy and not any other old rubbish people care to dream up.. I can see they may have legal trouble in the future if they deny similar rites to other groups of products with similar unproven/disproven levels of efficacy.

Where does Evan Harris live, I want to live in his constituency.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad the flying spaghetti monster has made an appearance. I thought of something along those lines. Ive emailed the MHRA to ask why just homeopathy and not any other old rubbish people care to dream up.. I can see they may have legal trouble in the future if they deny similar rites to other groups of products with similar unproven/disproven levels of efficacy.</p>
<p>Where does Evan Harris live, I want to live in his constituency&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: clairebio1</title>
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		<dc:creator>clairebio1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What irritates me is that tje NHS spends money on homeopathy. Let people buy OTC sugar pills and water out of their own pockets by all means but why should my taxes fund homeopathy while other NHS services suffer chronically from underinvestment? Perhaps we should campaign for the OTC homeopathic remedies to be taxed so that some of the cost of running NHS homeopathic hospitals can be recouped (can&#039;t see New Labour closing them) and spent on cash starved, unglamourous areas like mental health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What irritates me is that tje NHS spends money on homeopathy. Let people buy OTC sugar pills and water out of their own pockets by all means but why should my taxes fund homeopathy while other NHS services suffer chronically from underinvestment? Perhaps we should campaign for the OTC homeopathic remedies to be taxed so that some of the cost of running NHS homeopathic hospitals can be recouped (can&#8217;t see New Labour closing them) and spent on cash starved, unglamourous areas like mental health.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/friends-in-high-places/comment-page-1/#comment-7341</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mm i just didnt think i could write about the exact same thing twice. this is the entertainment industry after all. anyway it&#039;s all over the media today, so in some respects our work is done.

http://www.badscience.net/?p=200</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mm i just didnt think i could write about the exact same thing twice. this is the entertainment industry after all. anyway it&#8217;s all over the media today, so in some respects our work is done.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=200" rel="nofollow">www.badscience.net/?p=200</a></p>
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		<title>By: stever</title>
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		<dc:creator>stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>probably too late Ben, but i say run with it. its totally fuckig ridiculous. 

regards what can be done - a judicial review could be undertaken if there are sufficient grounds - strikes me that there might well be in thjis case but youd need some heavy duty legal bods and a pile of money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review
Its strikes me that several important principles have been violated here - which could provide grounds. Also the consultation proceedure seems pretty lame - had anyone here heard of it? which stakeholders was it sent to. the statutory instruments BTW dont require scrutiny. the bill gets scrutinised and passed the statutory instruments are the detail that is decided after the event. 

The regulatory impact assessment (on the consultation page linked above)is also well worth a read. This is the document that is required to be produced by the relevant department for any new proposed legislation

&quot;Its role is to perform a detailed evaluation of the potential impacts of this new regulation and establish whether it would have the desired impact. For instance, it is useful to identify potential side effects or unforeseen extra costs associated with this new regulation. It also helps to clarify the cost of enforcement of the regulation. In general, a RIA is created by an independent team of experts hired by the regulation body.&quot; (wiki)

The RIA itself seems pretty wiffy to me - id be interested to know who was responsible for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably too late Ben, but i say run with it. its totally fuckig ridiculous. </p>
<p>regards what can be done &#8211; a judicial review could be undertaken if there are sufficient grounds &#8211; strikes me that there might well be in thjis case but youd need some heavy duty legal bods and a pile of money. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review</a><br />
Its strikes me that several important principles have been violated here &#8211; which could provide grounds. Also the consultation proceedure seems pretty lame &#8211; had anyone here heard of it? which stakeholders was it sent to. the statutory instruments BTW dont require scrutiny. the bill gets scrutinised and passed the statutory instruments are the detail that is decided after the event. </p>
<p>The regulatory impact assessment (on the consultation page linked above)is also well worth a read. This is the document that is required to be produced by the relevant department for any new proposed legislation</p>
<p>&#8220;Its role is to perform a detailed evaluation of the potential impacts of this new regulation and establish whether it would have the desired impact. For instance, it is useful to identify potential side effects or unforeseen extra costs associated with this new regulation. It also helps to clarify the cost of enforcement of the regulation. In general, a RIA is created by an independent team of experts hired by the regulation body.&#8221; (wiki)</p>
<p>The RIA itself seems pretty wiffy to me &#8211; id be interested to know who was responsible for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/friends-in-high-places/comment-page-1/#comment-7339</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And is it true that homeopathy does not recognise diseases?  Influenza is a disease, therefore a homeopathic remedy cannot treat influenza?  Cannot even be &quot;for the symptoms of influenza&quot;, because on Planet Homeopathy, influenza doesn&#039;t even exist?  Conversely, if it treats influenza then it isn&#039;t a valid homeopathic remedy and we&#039;ve got &#039;em?

...things to do today: print a sheet of self-adhesive labels for a dozen different bottled homeopathic remedies, and casually drop the sheet near the pharmacy counter in Boots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And is it true that homeopathy does not recognise diseases?  Influenza is a disease, therefore a homeopathic remedy cannot treat influenza?  Cannot even be &#8220;for the symptoms of influenza&#8221;, because on Planet Homeopathy, influenza doesn&#8217;t even exist?  Conversely, if it treats influenza then it isn&#8217;t a valid homeopathic remedy and we&#8217;ve got &#8216;em?</p>
<p>&#8230;things to do today: print a sheet of self-adhesive labels for a dozen different bottled homeopathic remedies, and casually drop the sheet near the pharmacy counter in Boots.</p>
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