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		<title>By: jiangjiang</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7599</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I has a look at the Nelsons proprietary remedies in Boots the other day.  they all appear to have PLRs (i.e. they have a licence as a result of having already been on the market when the old rules came in).  Would they have been able to make therapeutic claims on their packaging even before the latest rule change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I has a look at the Nelsons proprietary remedies in Boots the other day.  they all appear to have PLRs (i.e. they have a licence as a result of having already been on the market when the old rules came in).  Would they have been able to make therapeutic claims on their packaging even before the latest rule change?</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7525</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear and tension certainly do have physical forms, all well documented.  No idea whether the kidneys are involved, though.

I love that the Coldenza packaging says &lt;i&gt;&quot;drink plenty of fluids.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  Well, quite: presumably, the more you drink, the more effective it becomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear and tension certainly do have physical forms, all well documented.  No idea whether the kidneys are involved, though.</p>
<p>I love that the Coldenza packaging says <i>&#8220;drink plenty of fluids.&#8221;</i>  Well, quite: presumably, the more you drink, the more effective it becomes.</p>
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		<title>By: Junkmonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7515</link>
		<dc:creator>Junkmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From today&#039;s BBC news http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5319544.stm

England&#039;s Chief Medical Officer Liam Donaldson, who has raised the issue of unnecessary operations before, said: &quot;...it is important that effective therapies to address significant health problems are adopted and that ineffective treatments are abandoned.&quot;

What&#039;s the betting Homeopathy isn&#039;t even on the long list of  &quot;ineffective treatments &quot; to be abandoned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From today&#8217;s BBC news <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5319544.stm" rel="nofollow">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5319544.stm</a></p>
<p>England&#8217;s Chief Medical Officer Liam Donaldson, who has raised the issue of unnecessary operations before, said: &#8220;&#8230;it is important that effective therapies to address significant health problems are adopted and that ineffective treatments are abandoned.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the betting Homeopathy isn&#8217;t even on the long list of  &#8220;ineffective treatments &#8221; to be abandoned?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr* T</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7506</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr* T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From www.cancure.org/homeopathy.htm

&quot;On a physical level, Arsenicum Album helps the body release fear and tension held in the kidneys, adrenals, and nervous system.&quot;

I&#039;d forgotten fear and tension had a physical form. 

T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.cancure.org/homeopathy.htm" rel="nofollow">www.cancure.org/homeopathy.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;On a physical level, Arsenicum Album helps the body release fear and tension held in the kidneys, adrenals, and nervous system.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d forgotten fear and tension had a physical form. </p>
<p>T</p>
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		<title>By: katem</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7492</link>
		<dc:creator>katem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or cancer:
http://www.cancure.org/homeopathy.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or cancer:<br />
<a href="http://www.cancure.org/homeopathy.htm" rel="nofollow">www.cancure.org/homeopathy.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wonko</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7446</link>
		<dc:creator>Wonko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the point of one government department spending Â£millions on preparations for a flu pandemic (which are based on the assumption that those affected will seek early treatment), if another government department is going to advise people to take sugar pills and go and see a homeopath?

Avian flu anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the point of one government department spending Â£millions on preparations for a flu pandemic (which are based on the assumption that those affected will seek early treatment), if another government department is going to advise people to take sugar pills and go and see a homeopath?</p>
<p>Avian flu anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7445</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ladies and gentlemen melanie oxley of the society of homeopaths. seriously though, good to have you here melanie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ladies and gentlemen melanie oxley of the society of homeopaths. seriously though, good to have you here melanie.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7444</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t need you to make fun of us Ben!  Our own guys are much more entertaining:

The Great Debacle: The Society of Nhojoeopaths Annual Conference 1998, The Homoeopath No. 71, Read and totally mystified, but put in anyway by Divad Sille.

The 5142nd annual Nhojoeopathic Conference was held on the 3lst-33rd of September 1998 in Croydon. As Nhojoeopathy is of such a high vibration the conference was held on the etheric. A summary of the main presentations is given below.

What a Gem! by Nhoj Eel
Nhoj was to explain just how much fun a heroic, material dose proving can be with vintage Double Diamond beer. However an amazing event of synchronicity occurred two days before when Nhoj was shopping in Tescos in Purley. Whilst searching the shelves looking for a tin of tuna a large tin of John West salmon fell on Nhoj&#039;s lap. This was obviously a sign from the Universe and therefore Nhoj spoke about Salmon at the conference instead of Double Dia-mond. Unfortunately many of the delegates were expecting free beer and when offered a tin of salmon instead, trouble started in the auditorium. This all stopped when Nhoj appeared in a puzzling purple kaftan surrounded by white smoke.

New Physics Of Nhojoeopathic Dilutions, by Nhoj Eel
Nhoj became Nhojradamus and predicted that, one day, patients will spit or urinate into a Nuclear Magnetic Radionics Nhojo box and out will pop a remedy. This should be even faster than the current Nhojoeopathic blindfold and pin method. Although surely it cannot be more reliable. Nhoj told of how a Nhojoeopathic student recently urinated into the wrong hole and fused a Nhojo box.

Understanding The Crux Of Nhojoeopathy
Nobody was any the wiser after this one.

The Five Sides Of The Nhojoeopathic Prescription 
1, Blindfold and pin. 2, Dice. 3, Roulette wheel. 4, Pendulum. 5, Coin.

Prescribing From A Nhojoeopathic Perspective
This lecture mostly referred to the &#039;Five Sides of the Nhojoeopathic Prescription lecture&#039;.The event was marred by an altercation between Classical and non-Classical Nhojoeopaths. This occurred at 11pm after the six-hour heroic proving of Double Diamond. Apparently some non-Classical Nhojoeopaths started drinking Fosters, thereby mixing the drinks. This incurred the wrath of the Classical Nhojoeopaths. Nhoj had to sort it all out and administered Double Diamond 30c or Fosters 30c to all provers. Harmony was soon restored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t need you to make fun of us Ben!  Our own guys are much more entertaining:</p>
<p>The Great Debacle: The Society of Nhojoeopaths Annual Conference 1998, The Homoeopath No. 71, Read and totally mystified, but put in anyway by Divad Sille.</p>
<p>The 5142nd annual Nhojoeopathic Conference was held on the 3lst-33rd of September 1998 in Croydon. As Nhojoeopathy is of such a high vibration the conference was held on the etheric. A summary of the main presentations is given below.</p>
<p>What a Gem! by Nhoj Eel<br />
Nhoj was to explain just how much fun a heroic, material dose proving can be with vintage Double Diamond beer. However an amazing event of synchronicity occurred two days before when Nhoj was shopping in Tescos in Purley. Whilst searching the shelves looking for a tin of tuna a large tin of John West salmon fell on Nhoj&#8217;s lap. This was obviously a sign from the Universe and therefore Nhoj spoke about Salmon at the conference instead of Double Dia-mond. Unfortunately many of the delegates were expecting free beer and when offered a tin of salmon instead, trouble started in the auditorium. This all stopped when Nhoj appeared in a puzzling purple kaftan surrounded by white smoke.</p>
<p>New Physics Of Nhojoeopathic Dilutions, by Nhoj Eel<br />
Nhoj became Nhojradamus and predicted that, one day, patients will spit or urinate into a Nuclear Magnetic Radionics Nhojo box and out will pop a remedy. This should be even faster than the current Nhojoeopathic blindfold and pin method. Although surely it cannot be more reliable. Nhoj told of how a Nhojoeopathic student recently urinated into the wrong hole and fused a Nhojo box.</p>
<p>Understanding The Crux Of Nhojoeopathy<br />
Nobody was any the wiser after this one.</p>
<p>The Five Sides Of The Nhojoeopathic Prescription<br />
1, Blindfold and pin. 2, Dice. 3, Roulette wheel. 4, Pendulum. 5, Coin.</p>
<p>Prescribing From A Nhojoeopathic Perspective<br />
This lecture mostly referred to the &#8216;Five Sides of the Nhojoeopathic Prescription lecture&#8217;.The event was marred by an altercation between Classical and non-Classical Nhojoeopaths. This occurred at 11pm after the six-hour heroic proving of Double Diamond. Apparently some non-Classical Nhojoeopaths started drinking Fosters, thereby mixing the drinks. This incurred the wrath of the Classical Nhojoeopaths. Nhoj had to sort it all out and administered Double Diamond 30c or Fosters 30c to all provers. Harmony was soon restored.</p>
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		<title>By: Agema</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7443</link>
		<dc:creator>Agema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think it&#039;s not the worst thing in the world if people want to take this sort of thing instead of bothering the GP. Means more resources freed up for the seriously ill. And the more people die by consulting the homeopathist rather than the GP, the sooner people will realise homeopathy is bunk.

 What is certainly is a concern is that it is masquerading as medicine. That&#039;s why it&#039;s got those little &#039;Keep out of reach of children&#039; and &#039;if symptoms worsen...&#039; messages. That&#039;s just a marketing con, just like Sunny D tried to pretend it was proper orange juice, but it might hoodwink those casually after a cold/flu remedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think it&#8217;s not the worst thing in the world if people want to take this sort of thing instead of bothering the GP. Means more resources freed up for the seriously ill. And the more people die by consulting the homeopathist rather than the GP, the sooner people will realise homeopathy is bunk.</p>
<p> What is certainly is a concern is that it is masquerading as medicine. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s got those little &#8216;Keep out of reach of children&#8217; and &#8216;if symptoms worsen&#8230;&#8217; messages. That&#8217;s just a marketing con, just like Sunny D tried to pretend it was proper orange juice, but it might hoodwink those casually after a cold/flu remedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7425</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumably as Homeopathic medicines are made stronger by dilution an antidote would involve taking the undiluted substance - in this case eating an onion I guess??

In fact shouldn&#039;t an overdose have less effect than the prescribed level of medication??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumably as Homeopathic medicines are made stronger by dilution an antidote would involve taking the undiluted substance &#8211; in this case eating an onion I guess??</p>
<p>In fact shouldn&#8217;t an overdose have less effect than the prescribed level of medication??</p>
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		<title>By: toonboon</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7413</link>
		<dc:creator>toonboon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you swallow an entire bottle of homeopathic pills, believing them to be &quot;real medicine&quot;, could there be a negative effect on your health caused by a sort of placebo overdose? In other words, can the same mechanism which somehow makes you feel better after taking the recommended dosage of harmless sugar pills also work in a negative way if you know you&#039;ve taken way too many? 

Presumably there is not a wealth of published research on the subject...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you swallow an entire bottle of homeopathic pills, believing them to be &#8220;real medicine&#8221;, could there be a negative effect on your health caused by a sort of placebo overdose? In other words, can the same mechanism which somehow makes you feel better after taking the recommended dosage of harmless sugar pills also work in a negative way if you know you&#8217;ve taken way too many? </p>
<p>Presumably there is not a wealth of published research on the subject&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Mingay</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7411</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mingay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, come on! The population&#039;s just gone over 60 million, and you&#039;re all sneering at an efficient and profitable way of getting the terminally-gullible to top themselves. Some people are never happy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, come on! The population&#8217;s just gone over 60 million, and you&#8217;re all sneering at an efficient and profitable way of getting the terminally-gullible to top themselves. Some people are never happy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7408</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s the man from Arthur Anderson

I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s a sinister conspiracy, and I certainly don&#039;t approve, I hate them homeopathists, but if you make patients into &quot;clients&quot; and encourage them to think of the relationship like they would any other transaction with a service-provider, then the magic is gone and a big lump of GPs&#039; ability to make people feel better goes out the window. It&#039;s easy to think of placebo as a bad thing, but for a lot of conditions, maybe it&#039;s the best medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s the man from Arthur Anderson</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s a sinister conspiracy, and I certainly don&#8217;t approve, I hate them homeopathists, but if you make patients into &#8220;clients&#8221; and encourage them to think of the relationship like they would any other transaction with a service-provider, then the magic is gone and a big lump of GPs&#8217; ability to make people feel better goes out the window. It&#8217;s easy to think of placebo as a bad thing, but for a lot of conditions, maybe it&#8217;s the best medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7392</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My favourite bit is where it says â€œKeep out of the reach of children.â€ Yeah, you donâ€™t want you kids to start thinking that sweeties are medicines, no hang on, that medicines are sweeties, no, wait, you donâ€™t want them to start thinking that sweeties are medicines.&quot;

If you&#039;re a homoeopath, you don&#039;t want them to start thinking at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My favourite bit is where it says â€œKeep out of the reach of children.â€ Yeah, you donâ€™t want you kids to start thinking that sweeties are medicines, no hang on, that medicines are sweeties, no, wait, you donâ€™t want them to start thinking that sweeties are medicines.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a homoeopath, you don&#8217;t want them to start thinking at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7391</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>le canard noir said: &quot;Even stuff for teething babies. Does the placebo affect work on babies?&quot;

Yes, usually known as &quot;mummy&#039;ll kiss it better&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>le canard noir said: &#8220;Even stuff for teething babies. Does the placebo affect work on babies?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, usually known as &#8220;mummy&#8217;ll kiss it better&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7377</link>
		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whatâ€™s happened here is some clever chap has worked out the numbers and if a few fools get seriously ill due to taking homeopathic remedies, they can consider themselves collateral damage&quot;

Since when has lying and hand-wringing become an acceptable substitute for formal education?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whatâ€™s happened here is some clever chap has worked out the numbers and if a few fools get seriously ill due to taking homeopathic remedies, they can consider themselves collateral damage&#8221;</p>
<p>Since when has lying and hand-wringing become an acceptable substitute for formal education?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7372</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg, you mean it&#039;s... &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man&quot;&gt;the man&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg, you mean it&#8217;s&#8230; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man">the man</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7370</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very easy to take a &quot;don&#039;t they realise how dumb this is&quot; stance, but in fact they do of course know as much as anyone here does. Civil service, parliamentary committees, regulatory bodies, all absolutely stuffed with heavily educated clever chaps. This is not because of a collapse of rationality, it&#039;s because the NHS is a bottomless money pit. Health is a numbers game, and GPs&#039; ability to deploy the placebo effect has been undermined. Many illnesses are self limiting and it&#039;s better if their sufferers take a few sugar pills, rather than knackering up the waiting room.

What&#039;s happened here is some clever chap has worked out the numbers and if a few fools get seriously ill due to taking homeopathic remedies, they can consider themselves collateral damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very easy to take a &#8220;don&#8217;t they realise how dumb this is&#8221; stance, but in fact they do of course know as much as anyone here does. Civil service, parliamentary committees, regulatory bodies, all absolutely stuffed with heavily educated clever chaps. This is not because of a collapse of rationality, it&#8217;s because the NHS is a bottomless money pit. Health is a numbers game, and GPs&#8217; ability to deploy the placebo effect has been undermined. Many illnesses are self limiting and it&#8217;s better if their sufferers take a few sugar pills, rather than knackering up the waiting room.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s happened here is some clever chap has worked out the numbers and if a few fools get seriously ill due to taking homeopathic remedies, they can consider themselves collateral damage.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/09/homeopathy-packaging/comment-page-1/#comment-7369</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just read this article in the times http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-2337904,00.html and apparently &#039;aplicants must supply data on pharmacology, pharmacokinetics and toxicology&#039;

How the hell can you have any pharmacological, pharmacokinetic or toxicological data from homeopathic preparations? I would have thought it looks like this:
Pharmacology: no effects on any cellular, organ or animal models
Pharmacokinetics: n/a as we can&#039;t detect anything going in, therefore makes it a bit tough to determine standard pharmacokinetic parameters
Toxicology: as for pharmacokinetics, but no one&#039;s ever been poisoned by it. 

for comparison look at http://emc.medicines.org.uk/ and search for any medicine you like, and see the amount of information in the SPC (summary of product characteristics), and then remember that this is just a summary of the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just read this article in the times <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-2337904,00.html" rel="nofollow">www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-2337904,00.html</a> and apparently &#8216;aplicants must supply data on pharmacology, pharmacokinetics and toxicology&#8217;</p>
<p>How the hell can you have any pharmacological, pharmacokinetic or toxicological data from homeopathic preparations? I would have thought it looks like this:<br />
Pharmacology: no effects on any cellular, organ or animal models<br />
Pharmacokinetics: n/a as we can&#8217;t detect anything going in, therefore makes it a bit tough to determine standard pharmacokinetic parameters<br />
Toxicology: as for pharmacokinetics, but no one&#8217;s ever been poisoned by it. </p>
<p>for comparison look at <a href="http://emc.medicines.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">emc.medicines.org.uk/</a> and search for any medicine you like, and see the amount of information in the SPC (summary of product characteristics), and then remember that this is just a summary of the data.</p>
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