<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Newton&#8217;s Apple Thinktank Launch</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/</link>
	<description>Ben Goldacre&#039;s Bad Science column from the Guardian and more...</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:24:40 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: jiangjiang</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-29687</link>
		<dc:creator>jiangjiang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-29687</guid>
		<description>ed hardy &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
ed hardy clothing &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy clothing&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy clothing&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
ed hardy shop &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy shop&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy shop&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
christian audigier &lt;a title=&quot;christian audigier&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com/christian-audigier.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;christian audigier&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
ed hardy cheap &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy cheap&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy cheap&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
ed hardy outlet &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy outlet&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy outlet&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
ed hardy sale &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy clothes&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy sale&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
ed hardy store &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy store&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy store&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
ed hardy mens &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy mens&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com/ed-hardy-mens.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy mens&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
ed hardy womens &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy womens&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com/ed-hardy-womens.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy womens&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
ed hardy kids &lt;a title=&quot;ed hardy kids&quot; href=&quot;http://www.edhardyplus.com/kids.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ed hardy kids&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; ed hardy kids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ed hardy <a title="ed hardy" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy</strong></a><br />
ed hardy clothing <a title="ed hardy clothing" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy clothing</strong></a><br />
ed hardy shop <a title="ed hardy shop" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy shop</strong></a><br />
christian audigier <a title="christian audigier" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com/christian-audigier.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>christian audigier</strong></a><br />
ed hardy cheap <a title="ed hardy cheap" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy cheap</strong></a><br />
ed hardy outlet <a title="ed hardy outlet" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy outlet</strong></a><br />
ed hardy sale <a title="ed hardy clothes" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy sale</strong></a><br />
ed hardy store <a title="ed hardy store" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy store</strong></a><br />
ed hardy mens <a title="ed hardy mens" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com/ed-hardy-mens.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy mens</strong></a><br />
ed hardy womens <a title="ed hardy womens" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com/ed-hardy-womens.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy womens</strong></a><br />
ed hardy kids <a title="ed hardy kids" href="http://www.edhardyplus.com/kids.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy kids</strong></a> ed hardy kids</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: PaulCarpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8608</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulCarpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8608</guid>
		<description>I&#039;d say most of the science journalists are to be found working for Scientific American, Seed, New Scientist and all the other science magazines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say most of the science journalists are to be found working for Scientific American, Seed, New Scientist and all the other science magazines.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wiretrip</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8583</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiretrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8583</guid>
		<description>It strikes me that the problem is one of supply and demand. Low enthusiasm for science means that the majority of students take arts (i.e. non-vocational) subjects. They find it hard to get jobs related to their humanities qualifications and end up being journalists. Scientists, being more thin on the ground, end-up getting jobs in scientific vocations and therefore leave journalism (and teaching) posts open to the people who need them ;-). This situation leads to bad teaching and reporting, leading in turn to mistrust and low enthusiam, et voilÃ  - vicious cycle! I don&#039;t have an answer :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It strikes me that the problem is one of supply and demand. Low enthusiasm for science means that the majority of students take arts (i.e. non-vocational) subjects. They find it hard to get jobs related to their humanities qualifications and end up being journalists. Scientists, being more thin on the ground, end-up getting jobs in scientific vocations and therefore leave journalism (and teaching) posts open to the people who need them <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . This situation leads to bad teaching and reporting, leading in turn to mistrust and low enthusiam, et voilÃ  &#8211; vicious cycle! I don&#8217;t have an answer <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David Mingay</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8528</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mingay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8528</guid>
		<description>From the Newton&#039;s Apple homepage:

&quot;According to the members of Newtonâ€™s Apple four areas need to be addressed:
â€¢ More young people must be encouraged to take up science education&quot; etc.

Sadly, taking up a science education may be more futile than they think.

On the BBC&#039;s website (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6074202.stm), we discover that British schoolchildren are pretty rubbish at geography. For example, only 20% can locate the UK on a map of the world.

A major teachers&#039; union, which includes science educators among its ranks, responded thus:

&quot;The NASUWT said the findings were &quot;nonsense&quot; and did not reflect staff and pupils&#039; hard work.&quot;

So teachers, who are responsible for, amongst other things, science education, believe that statistics should be discounted if they do not support one&#039;s beliefs. 

Of course the statistics don&#039;t reflect hard work, because that&#039;s not what they set out to measure. What they do show, however - and this is what the NASUWT is too stupid to grasp - is that they show that all this hard work isn&#039;t much more than pointless fannying around.

So if teachers can&#039;t interpret data, what hope is there that they will be able to teach their students how to do it?

(I&#039;m a teacher, by the way, but I do despair of many in my so-called profession.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Newton&#8217;s Apple homepage:</p>
<p>&#8220;According to the members of Newtonâ€™s Apple four areas need to be addressed:<br />
â€¢ More young people must be encouraged to take up science education&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>Sadly, taking up a science education may be more futile than they think.</p>
<p>On the BBC&#8217;s website (<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6074202.stm" rel="nofollow">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6074202.stm</a>), we discover that British schoolchildren are pretty rubbish at geography. For example, only 20% can locate the UK on a map of the world.</p>
<p>A major teachers&#8217; union, which includes science educators among its ranks, responded thus:</p>
<p>&#8220;The NASUWT said the findings were &#8220;nonsense&#8221; and did not reflect staff and pupils&#8217; hard work.&#8221;</p>
<p>So teachers, who are responsible for, amongst other things, science education, believe that statistics should be discounted if they do not support one&#8217;s beliefs. </p>
<p>Of course the statistics don&#8217;t reflect hard work, because that&#8217;s not what they set out to measure. What they do show, however &#8211; and this is what the NASUWT is too stupid to grasp &#8211; is that they show that all this hard work isn&#8217;t much more than pointless fannying around.</p>
<p>So if teachers can&#8217;t interpret data, what hope is there that they will be able to teach their students how to do it?</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m a teacher, by the way, but I do despair of many in my so-called profession.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Delster</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8524</link>
		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8524</guid>
		<description>and for anybody interested here is a link to the RI. http://www.rigb.org/rimain/index.jsp 

They don;t have much in the way of transcripts from the lectures though unfortunatly. Would be interesting to be able to look at some of the original ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and for anybody interested here is a link to the RI. <a href="http://www.rigb.org/rimain/index.jsp" rel="nofollow">www.rigb.org/rimain/index.jsp</a> </p>
<p>They don;t have much in the way of transcripts from the lectures though unfortunatly. Would be interesting to be able to look at some of the original ones.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Delster</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8523</link>
		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8523</guid>
		<description>Dr Aust,

Would be interesting to find out if there is an archive of them any where. i shall have a look i think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Aust,</p>
<p>Would be interesting to find out if there is an archive of them any where. i shall have a look i think.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8519</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8519</guid>
		<description>PS  For anyone interested in the Royal Institution Xmas lectures we mentioned above...

Turns out these date back all the way to 1825. They were started by one of Britain&#039;s greatest scientists, Michael Faraday, then President of the Royal Instuitution, who did them nearly 20 times himself between 1825 and 1860:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Institution_Christmas_Lectures</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS  For anyone interested in the Royal Institution Xmas lectures we mentioned above&#8230;</p>
<p>Turns out these date back all the way to 1825. They were started by one of Britain&#8217;s greatest scientists, Michael Faraday, then President of the Royal Instuitution, who did them nearly 20 times himself between 1825 and 1860:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Institution_Christmas_Lectures" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Institution_Christmas_Lectures</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: raygirvan</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8517</link>
		<dc:creator>raygirvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8517</guid>
		<description>&gt; just had an email back from Newtonâ€™s Apple director Mia Nybrant

So did I. She says, &quot;Regarding the drawings, they are there to stay I am afraid&quot;. Which comes across as a very polite &quot;f*** you, don&#039;t criticise my baby&quot;.  I suspect she drew them.

The reply continues, &quot;Please do not hesitate to contact me again should you have any queries or suggestions&quot;. Not much point if that&#039;s their attitude to criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; just had an email back from Newtonâ€™s Apple director Mia Nybrant</p>
<p>So did I. She says, &#8220;Regarding the drawings, they are there to stay I am afraid&#8221;. Which comes across as a very polite &#8220;f*** you, don&#8217;t criticise my baby&#8221;.  I suspect she drew them.</p>
<p>The reply continues, &#8220;Please do not hesitate to contact me again should you have any queries or suggestions&#8221;. Not much point if that&#8217;s their attitude to criticism.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kate a</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8513</link>
		<dc:creator>kate a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8513</guid>
		<description>just had an email back from Newton&#039;s Apple director Mia Nybrant, who says they&#039;ve taken the criticisms on board and have added a &#039;printable version&#039; for each of the essays - I&#039;ve had a look and it&#039;s much easier to read. So thumbs up to them for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just had an email back from Newton&#8217;s Apple director Mia Nybrant, who says they&#8217;ve taken the criticisms on board and have added a &#8216;printable version&#8217; for each of the essays &#8211; I&#8217;ve had a look and it&#8217;s much easier to read. So thumbs up to them for that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Josh (in Krakow)</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8473</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh (in Krakow)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8473</guid>
		<description>Minor nitpick I know, but I think it&#039;s more accurate to say that smoking was implicated in 97 per cent of lung cancers (in the 1950s) rather than caused them and, although I don&#039;t have the data, that that percentage is almost certainly a lot lower now that a greater proportion of society doesn&#039;t smoke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor nitpick I know, but I think it&#8217;s more accurate to say that smoking was implicated in 97 per cent of lung cancers (in the 1950s) rather than caused them and, although I don&#8217;t have the data, that that percentage is almost certainly a lot lower now that a greater proportion of society doesn&#8217;t smoke.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: oyster</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8471</link>
		<dc:creator>oyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8471</guid>
		<description>I was at the launch of Apple&#039;s Newton (remember that?) way back.  It is a pity I missed this one - I would have had the set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the launch of Apple&#8217;s Newton (remember that?) way back.  It is a pity I missed this one &#8211; I would have had the set.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Delster</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8467</link>
		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8467</guid>
		<description>Dr Aust, post 27

Enthusiasm for their subject (along with knowledge of obviously) is probably about the most important thing a teacher needs to be able to get that knowledge across to the pupils (of whatever age, primary through uni)

Of my two best teachers one was a bit of a lunatic chemistry teacher who was wildly enthusistic to the point of waving arms around whilst explaining things.... not a great idea with reactive substances and naked flames around the place but great fun to watch.

The other was a more reserved type (biology teacher) who would catch your attention with small amusing things and use them to lead into bigger interesting subjects holding pupils interest by the way he spoke and presented things. Never pushing a section for too long but mixing small practicals throughout the classes which would give a break (brain gym anybody?) and get everybody going again.

I appear to have digressed :-)

oh well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Aust, post 27</p>
<p>Enthusiasm for their subject (along with knowledge of obviously) is probably about the most important thing a teacher needs to be able to get that knowledge across to the pupils (of whatever age, primary through uni)</p>
<p>Of my two best teachers one was a bit of a lunatic chemistry teacher who was wildly enthusistic to the point of waving arms around whilst explaining things&#8230;. not a great idea with reactive substances and naked flames around the place but great fun to watch.</p>
<p>The other was a more reserved type (biology teacher) who would catch your attention with small amusing things and use them to lead into bigger interesting subjects holding pupils interest by the way he spoke and presented things. Never pushing a section for too long but mixing small practicals throughout the classes which would give a break (brain gym anybody?) and get everybody going again.</p>
<p>I appear to have digressed <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>oh well</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: amoebic vodka</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8449</link>
		<dc:creator>amoebic vodka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8449</guid>
		<description>Nooo...word documents are evil. Evil we tells you.

On the school practicals, we missed out on a lot of them because the school was teaching science in 1.5 hours fewer a week than they were supposed to. To fit teaching the syllabus in the time, they cut out the practicals. Of course this also meant they had almost no time to cover things related to, but not on, the GCSE syllabus and that tends to be the interesting stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nooo&#8230;word documents are evil. Evil we tells you.</p>
<p>On the school practicals, we missed out on a lot of them because the school was teaching science in 1.5 hours fewer a week than they were supposed to. To fit teaching the syllabus in the time, they cut out the practicals. Of course this also meant they had almost no time to cover things related to, but not on, the GCSE syllabus and that tends to be the interesting stuff.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: raygirvan</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8435</link>
		<dc:creator>raygirvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8435</guid>
		<description>&gt; I have emailed them

Likewise. They&#039;d be better off with photos. Unfortunately people tend to be very precious about site design, but we&#039;ll see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I have emailed them</p>
<p>Likewise. They&#8217;d be better off with photos. Unfortunately people tend to be very precious about site design, but we&#8217;ll see&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kate a</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8431</link>
		<dc:creator>kate a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8431</guid>
		<description>Very interesting site and I intend to work through the essays - dreadful site design though, unfortunately. Having the text bunched up in that small scroll-down box, with the dreadful illustrations taking up half the screen, really does make it diffiult to read the longer pieces! 
I have emailed them to point this out, and suggest they make the essays available as Word docs or .pdfs perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting site and I intend to work through the essays &#8211; dreadful site design though, unfortunately. Having the text bunched up in that small scroll-down box, with the dreadful illustrations taking up half the screen, really does make it diffiult to read the longer pieces!<br />
I have emailed them to point this out, and suggest they make the essays available as Word docs or .pdfs perhaps.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Boiling tube</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8423</link>
		<dc:creator>Boiling tube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8423</guid>
		<description>Yes, please comment intelligently about the subjects you know about. However, even eminent scientists like Richard Sykes can sink in to gutter journalism. Take his foray into GCSE science for instance. Remember that most of you reading this site were in the top 10% of science pupils at school. Now teachers have to teach all pupils.
Then in the Observer (16th October), there was an incredibly badly researched article about the Health &amp; Safety excuse on not doing practical work in schools. There is a perceived problem by some teachers (http://www.rsc.org/Education/EiC/issues/2006Jan/SurelyThatsBanned.asp) (usually having to teach out of their specialist science), but you are allowed to demonstrate radioactivity, handle sodium and potassium, see the Thermit reaction and investigate the structure of hearts, eyes and rats. Pupils can even use concentrated acids when doing practical work. Like all problems, there are many other factors at work than just H&amp;S.
If ever you go down the H&amp;S route on your criticisms, speak to the experts on what can done in schools at www.cleapss.org.uk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, please comment intelligently about the subjects you know about. However, even eminent scientists like Richard Sykes can sink in to gutter journalism. Take his foray into GCSE science for instance. Remember that most of you reading this site were in the top 10% of science pupils at school. Now teachers have to teach all pupils.<br />
Then in the Observer (16th October), there was an incredibly badly researched article about the Health &amp; Safety excuse on not doing practical work in schools. There is a perceived problem by some teachers (<a href="http://www.rsc.org/Education/EiC/issues/2006Jan/SurelyThatsBanned.asp" rel="nofollow">www.rsc.org/Education/EiC/issues/2006Jan/SurelyThatsBanned.asp</a>) (usually having to teach out of their specialist science), but you are allowed to demonstrate radioactivity, handle sodium and potassium, see the Thermit reaction and investigate the structure of hearts, eyes and rats. Pupils can even use concentrated acids when doing practical work. Like all problems, there are many other factors at work than just H&amp;S.<br />
If ever you go down the H&amp;S route on your criticisms, speak to the experts on what can done in schools at <a href="http://www.cleapss.org.uk" rel="nofollow">www.cleapss.org.uk</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: coracle</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8411</link>
		<dc:creator>coracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8411</guid>
		<description>jjbp,

I agree, and it&#039;s not just media stance, it seems to be public perception too. I&#039;m not sure which drives which, or whether they feed off each other. I think it&#039;s very much an emotional response, rather than an intellectual one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jjbp,</p>
<p>I agree, and it&#8217;s not just media stance, it seems to be public perception too. I&#8217;m not sure which drives which, or whether they feed off each other. I think it&#8217;s very much an emotional response, rather than an intellectual one.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8404</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8404</guid>
		<description>&quot;I think one of the problems with getting The Kids interested may be the input of the â€œhealth &amp; safety fascistsâ€ combined with schoolsâ€™ fear of being sued. I read somewhere recently that in schools now, kids are barred from doing experiments such as dropping sodium into a container of water (and have to view such experiments on video).&quot;

I read that one as well.

Have to say that when I did this experiment (late 70s) we didn&#039;t actually do it - the teacher did, in the middle of the playground (50 yards from all buildings) with us watching - then ditto for potassium into water.  Damn good show. We weren&#039;t DOING it ourselves, but we were involved, if you see what I mean.

Which points up something Delster just said about the importance of teachers - I have always felt teachers needed to be part-showman, part-encourager, all-enthusiast.

Goes for Univ teaching too, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think one of the problems with getting The Kids interested may be the input of the â€œhealth &amp; safety fascistsâ€ combined with schoolsâ€™ fear of being sued. I read somewhere recently that in schools now, kids are barred from doing experiments such as dropping sodium into a container of water (and have to view such experiments on video).&#8221;</p>
<p>I read that one as well.</p>
<p>Have to say that when I did this experiment (late 70s) we didn&#8217;t actually do it &#8211; the teacher did, in the middle of the playground (50 yards from all buildings) with us watching &#8211; then ditto for potassium into water.  Damn good show. We weren&#8217;t DOING it ourselves, but we were involved, if you see what I mean.</p>
<p>Which points up something Delster just said about the importance of teachers &#8211; I have always felt teachers needed to be part-showman, part-encourager, all-enthusiast.</p>
<p>Goes for Univ teaching too, IMHO.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jdc325</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8402</link>
		<dc:creator>jdc325</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8402</guid>
		<description>I think one of the problems with getting The Kids interested may be the input of the &quot;health &amp; safety fascists&quot; combined with schools&#039; fear of being sued. I read somewhere recently that in schools now, kids are barred from doing experiments such as dropping sodium into a container of water (and have to view such experiments on video).
If you have to watch experiments done on video instead of actually doing them yourself surely that can&#039;t be beneficial in terms of (a) getting kids interested and (b) actually teaching the science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the problems with getting The Kids interested may be the input of the &#8220;health &amp; safety fascists&#8221; combined with schools&#8217; fear of being sued. I read somewhere recently that in schools now, kids are barred from doing experiments such as dropping sodium into a container of water (and have to view such experiments on video).<br />
If you have to watch experiments done on video instead of actually doing them yourself surely that can&#8217;t be beneficial in terms of (a) getting kids interested and (b) actually teaching the science.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Delster</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/10/newtons-apple-thinktank-launch/comment-page-1/#comment-8398</link>
		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.badscience.net/?p=314#comment-8398</guid>
		<description>Dr Aust,

that would indeed be the lectures i&#039;m talking about. A lot of work yes i&#039;d agree... not to mention expending a lot of energy just in enthusiasm whist presenting it.

As for audience, your right, the majorty would be those already interested but also maybe the occasional young, impressionable person (me for one back then) will stumble across it by accident and stay awhile.

I think part of getting people (kids mainly that is... get them young i say!) interested has to be down to teachers shoing, in the classroom, that the subject can be interesting / fun / challenging and getting them to use their brain to actually think with rather than slavishly following the herd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Aust,</p>
<p>that would indeed be the lectures i&#8217;m talking about. A lot of work yes i&#8217;d agree&#8230; not to mention expending a lot of energy just in enthusiasm whist presenting it.</p>
<p>As for audience, your right, the majorty would be those already interested but also maybe the occasional young, impressionable person (me for one back then) will stumble across it by accident and stay awhile.</p>
<p>I think part of getting people (kids mainly that is&#8230; get them young i say!) interested has to be down to teachers shoing, in the classroom, that the subject can be interesting / fun / challenging and getting them to use their brain to actually think with rather than slavishly following the herd.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

