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		<title>By: jiangjiang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiangjiang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: leucu</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-23641</link>
		<dc:creator>leucu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Or no supervision I suppose, just like methadone.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Where do you get the idea methadone consumption is unsupervised from? 

Certainly most DDU&#039;s have been doing supervised consumption for several years now (at least back to 2003)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Or no supervision I suppose, just like methadone.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Where do you get the idea methadone consumption is unsupervised from? </p>
<p>Certainly most DDU&#8217;s have been doing supervised consumption for several years now (at least back to 2003)</p>
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		<title>By: deepan</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-23323</link>
		<dc:creator>deepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heroin rehab programs are a final destination for drug and alcohol abusers. Heroin is very dangerous drug, people use it for having relief and it is also used as recreational drug also. It is affecting people very badly. There are many drug rehab centers provide the effective &lt;a Href=&quot;http://www.edrugrehabs.com/SubstanceAbuse/Brown-sugar,-Heroine-Addiction-Treatments/Rehabs/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;heroin rehab programs &lt;/a&gt;for the heroin addicted people. If you want to more information about the heroin rehab programs, so you just visit the web site. 

http://www.edrugrehabs.com/SubstanceAbuse/Brown-sugar,-Heroine-Addiction-Treatments/Rehabs/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heroin rehab programs are a final destination for drug and alcohol abusers. Heroin is very dangerous drug, people use it for having relief and it is also used as recreational drug also. It is affecting people very badly. There are many drug rehab centers provide the effective <a Href="http://www.edrugrehabs.com/SubstanceAbuse/Brown-sugar,-Heroine-Addiction-Treatments/Rehabs/index.html" rel="nofollow">heroin rehab programs </a>for the heroin addicted people. If you want to more information about the heroin rehab programs, so you just visit the web site. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.edrugrehabs.com/SubstanceAbuse/Brown-sugar,-Heroine-Addiction-Treatments/Rehabs/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.edrugrehabs.com/SubstanceAbuse/Brown-sugar,-Heroine-Addiction-Treatments/Rehabs/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: diohdan</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-20872</link>
		<dc:creator>diohdan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 02:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you did not mention this in your essay, heroin was initially designed by Bayer as a non-additive morophine, which of course proved to be wrong.  The name is representative of it&#039;s heroic qualities, as claimed by Bayer, who along with Mustard gas, also created methadone, which is similar to Klonopin for benzodiazapine addicts in it&#039;s purposes regarding addiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you did not mention this in your essay, heroin was initially designed by Bayer as a non-additive morophine, which of course proved to be wrong.  The name is representative of it&#8217;s heroic qualities, as claimed by Bayer, who along with Mustard gas, also created methadone, which is similar to Klonopin for benzodiazapine addicts in it&#8217;s purposes regarding addiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-9178</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I now I&#039;m being particularly pedantic here, but you quote a study from the British National Formulary in September 1999 - in an essay written in 1998.

Have you updated your essay prior to posting it above?  
What other amendments have you made from the original?

Tell us, or I&#039;ll issue and FoI request on you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I now I&#8217;m being particularly pedantic here, but you quote a study from the British National Formulary in September 1999 &#8211; in an essay written in 1998.</p>
<p>Have you updated your essay prior to posting it above?<br />
What other amendments have you made from the original?</p>
<p>Tell us, or I&#8217;ll issue and FoI request on you!</p>
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		<title>By: hatter</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-9156</link>
		<dc:creator>hatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. methadone causing nausea and vomiting - isn&#039;t that usual for opiates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. methadone causing nausea and vomiting &#8211; isn&#8217;t that usual for opiates?</p>
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		<title>By: hatter</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-9155</link>
		<dc:creator>hatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice in the Commons discussion they mention Sweden. I wonder if the ministers are aware that drugs are actually readily available in Sweden? Not only that, but the youth hate and despise the police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice in the Commons discussion they mention Sweden. I wonder if the ministers are aware that drugs are actually readily available in Sweden? Not only that, but the youth hate and despise the police.</p>
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		<title>By: john barleycorn</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-9145</link>
		<dc:creator>john barleycorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post 10. Hey Goat Boy!  Can I be your friend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post 10. Hey Goat Boy!  Can I be your friend?</p>
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		<title>By: john barleycorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>john barleycorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;tonky&quot;??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;tonky&#8221;??</p>
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		<title>By: nix</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-9116</link>
		<dc:creator>nix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 01:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Ben, if you doggedly avoid being described as `Dr Ben Goldacre&#039;, then you&#039;re in trouble: evidently some evil h4xx0r has broken in to badscience.net and changed the wording of the second link in the right-hand column to `About Dr Ben Goldacre&#039;. Looks like you need to do a security audit :)

(Pedant? Moi?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Ben, if you doggedly avoid being described as `Dr Ben Goldacre&#8217;, then you&#8217;re in trouble: evidently some evil h4xx0r has broken in to <a href="http://badscience.net" title="http://badscience.net" target="_blank">badscience.net</a> and changed the wording of the second link in the right-hand column to `About Dr Ben Goldacre&#8217;. Looks like you need to do a security audit <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Pedant? Moi?)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-9115</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered about &quot;tooth decay&quot; as well.  I note that the essay is deliberately controversial, which isn&#039;t to say critic-proof or unfalsifiable but it&#039;s -meant- to be out-on-a-limb.

Also...   &quot;On the streets of the UK, a gram of heroin costs between Â£50 and Â£120 (UNDCP 1997 p194). The cost of acquisitive crime committed to pay for this heroin has been estimated at Â£1.5 billion per year. &quot;  Yikes.

By the way, I suppose that where not stated, these are all 1998 prices?  Just for the record.  IIRC this last week I heard Terry Pratchett explain to Mark Lawson that his daughter, a journalist like him, was aged 21 for three full years because other journalists writing about him would look up on the Internet and see that his daughter is 21.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered about &#8220;tooth decay&#8221; as well.  I note that the essay is deliberately controversial, which isn&#8217;t to say critic-proof or unfalsifiable but it&#8217;s -meant- to be out-on-a-limb.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;   &#8220;On the streets of the UK, a gram of heroin costs between Â£50 and Â£120 (UNDCP 1997 p194). The cost of acquisitive crime committed to pay for this heroin has been estimated at Â£1.5 billion per year. &#8221;  Yikes.</p>
<p>By the way, I suppose that where not stated, these are all 1998 prices?  Just for the record.  IIRC this last week I heard Terry Pratchett explain to Mark Lawson that his daughter, a journalist like him, was aged 21 for three full years because other journalists writing about him would look up on the Internet and see that his daughter is 21.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr* T</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-9096</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr* T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe you&#039;re only 2 years older than me.

**reflects drunkenly and dejectedly at own hollow life**</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re only 2 years older than me.</p>
<p>**reflects drunkenly and dejectedly at own hollow life**</p>
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		<title>By: stever</title>
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		<dc:creator>stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 13:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is really interested in this issue read the three reports below and oyu willknow as much as anyone in the world about the regulated drug markets of the future: 

1.  &quot;After the war on drugs options for control&quot; report from Transform Drug policy Foundation (2004) (*declares interest - i wrote this one*)

Transform&#039;s major report that examines the key themes in the drug policy reform debate, detailing how legal regulation of drug markets will operate, and providing a roadmap for reform.

http://www.tdpf.org.uk/Policy_General_AftertheWaronDrugsReport.htm


2. A Public Health Approach to Drug Control (2005)

By: British Colombia Health Officers Council

This report was produced by an independent group of public health officials in British Colombia and is a detailed consideration of regulatory options for currently illegal drugs. Thoughtful, detailed and logical analysis.

http://www.keepingthedooropen.com/files/hoc_public_health_approach_to_drug_control.pdf

 
3. Effective Drug Control:Toward A New Legal Framework&#039; (2005)

By: The King County Bar Association

This report comes from the drug policy project of the Kings County (Seattle) Bar Association. They have produced an excellent report discussing the same issues from a slightly different perspective. Again this is a detailed and comprehensive review of regulatory options and wider policy considerations (Transform&#039;s work is referenced). They have produced a number of other useful drug law policy reports.

http://www.kcba.org/ScriptContent/KCBA/druglaw/pdf/EffectiveDrugControl.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is really interested in this issue read the three reports below and oyu willknow as much as anyone in the world about the regulated drug markets of the future: </p>
<p>1.  &#8220;After the war on drugs options for control&#8221; report from Transform Drug policy Foundation (2004) (*declares interest &#8211; i wrote this one*)</p>
<p>Transform&#8217;s major report that examines the key themes in the drug policy reform debate, detailing how legal regulation of drug markets will operate, and providing a roadmap for reform.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tdpf.org.uk/Policy_General_AftertheWaronDrugsReport.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdpf.org.uk/Policy_General_AftertheWaronDrugsReport.htm</a></p>
<p>2. A Public Health Approach to Drug Control (2005)</p>
<p>By: British Colombia Health Officers Council</p>
<p>This report was produced by an independent group of public health officials in British Colombia and is a detailed consideration of regulatory options for currently illegal drugs. Thoughtful, detailed and logical analysis.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.keepingthedooropen.com/files/hoc_public_health_approach_to_drug_control.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.keepingthedooropen.com/files/hoc_public_health_approach_to_drug_control.pdf</a></p>
<p>3. Effective Drug Control:Toward A New Legal Framework&#8217; (2005)</p>
<p>By: The King County Bar Association</p>
<p>This report comes from the drug policy project of the Kings County (Seattle) Bar Association. They have produced an excellent report discussing the same issues from a slightly different perspective. Again this is a detailed and comprehensive review of regulatory options and wider policy considerations (Transform&#8217;s work is referenced). They have produced a number of other useful drug law policy reports.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kcba.org/ScriptContent/KCBA/druglaw/pdf/EffectiveDrugControl.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.kcba.org/ScriptContent/KCBA/druglaw/pdf/EffectiveDrugControl.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that prohibition has been in place for over 30 years and in that time illegal narcotic usage has increased considerably.  I propose that all narcotics should be available in pharmacies to anyone wanting to buy them.  Tax can be levied on the sale of them and the supply is taken out of the hands of criminals.  Plus if it is not illegal it ceases to be cool in the eyes of many of the people who start taking drugs.

Tie this up with an advertising campaign designed to change the way drugs are regarded.  Remember that drink driving was considered acceptable not too many years ago.  Opinions can be changed.

Obviously I have no scientific data to support the above position but as the war on drugs has clearly been lost why not try a different approach.

Alternatively we can carry on pretending that prohibition will suddenly start to work.  In the face of plenty of evidence to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that prohibition has been in place for over 30 years and in that time illegal narcotic usage has increased considerably.  I propose that all narcotics should be available in pharmacies to anyone wanting to buy them.  Tax can be levied on the sale of them and the supply is taken out of the hands of criminals.  Plus if it is not illegal it ceases to be cool in the eyes of many of the people who start taking drugs.</p>
<p>Tie this up with an advertising campaign designed to change the way drugs are regarded.  Remember that drink driving was considered acceptable not too many years ago.  Opinions can be changed.</p>
<p>Obviously I have no scientific data to support the above position but as the war on drugs has clearly been lost why not try a different approach.</p>
<p>Alternatively we can carry on pretending that prohibition will suddenly start to work.  In the face of plenty of evidence to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: CDavis</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/methadone-and-heroin/comment-page-1/#comment-9083</link>
		<dc:creator>CDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todally alsome essay, dude. You&#039;re not really surprised that they used it on the programme as expert testimony, are you?

Coupla points:

&quot;Crucially, in comparison with heroin, methadone has a greatly reduced euphoric effect.&quot;

Eh? I wouldn&#039;t have said so. The main difference in the experience derives from the methods of administration - oral v. intravenous - and the consequence speed of onset. The overall longer term effect is indistinguishable to me at any rate. And I know an addict who has a licensed supply of injectable methadone ampoules, and rates it the best of all possible worlds.

&quot;Firstly, it is important to recognise that methadone is not a pleasant drug to take, causing nausea and vomiting, weight gain, profuse sweating, dysphoria, and tooth decay.&quot;

More puzzlement. I assume that weight gain and tooth decay result from the concentrated sugar solution carrier (there&#039;s a sugar-free diabetic version), but the other symptoms you mention sound like mild overdose, and certainly not the effects of &#039;normal&#039; use.

&quot;However, there is good evidence that untreated addicts must indulge in low level and aggressive marketing of heroin to provide themselves with a supply; that is, they push the drug in order to obtain it, thus promoting increased general consumption (Gilman and Pearson, 1991)&quot;

I wonder if this was specific to the period of the research, because it&#039;s not something I recognise in more recent times. I&#039;ve asked, and no-one has even heard of real &#039;pushing&#039; taking place. In fact, it&#039;s generally considered a risible, Reefer Madness-style myth that anyone would actually need to tout for custom in what is - now at any rate - such a seller&#039;s market.

Otherwise, worth every penny of 250 quid!

CD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todally alsome essay, dude. You&#8217;re not really surprised that they used it on the programme as expert testimony, are you?</p>
<p>Coupla points:</p>
<p>&#8220;Crucially, in comparison with heroin, methadone has a greatly reduced euphoric effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Eh? I wouldn&#8217;t have said so. The main difference in the experience derives from the methods of administration &#8211; oral v. intravenous &#8211; and the consequence speed of onset. The overall longer term effect is indistinguishable to me at any rate. And I know an addict who has a licensed supply of injectable methadone ampoules, and rates it the best of all possible worlds.</p>
<p>&#8220;Firstly, it is important to recognise that methadone is not a pleasant drug to take, causing nausea and vomiting, weight gain, profuse sweating, dysphoria, and tooth decay.&#8221;</p>
<p>More puzzlement. I assume that weight gain and tooth decay result from the concentrated sugar solution carrier (there&#8217;s a sugar-free diabetic version), but the other symptoms you mention sound like mild overdose, and certainly not the effects of &#8216;normal&#8217; use.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, there is good evidence that untreated addicts must indulge in low level and aggressive marketing of heroin to provide themselves with a supply; that is, they push the drug in order to obtain it, thus promoting increased general consumption (Gilman and Pearson, 1991)&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if this was specific to the period of the research, because it&#8217;s not something I recognise in more recent times. I&#8217;ve asked, and no-one has even heard of real &#8216;pushing&#8217; taking place. In fact, it&#8217;s generally considered a risible, Reefer Madness-style myth that anyone would actually need to tout for custom in what is &#8211; now at any rate &#8211; such a seller&#8217;s market.</p>
<p>Otherwise, worth every penny of 250 quid!</p>
<p>CD</p>
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		<title>By: RedSevenOne</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations Ben â€“ hope you donâ€™t mind if I give this Wide Area Distribution. I work in the area of Crystal Meth addiction and have used the British precedent in many arguments I have made. You can check out my thinking at http://redsevenone.vox.com â€“ Many Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Ben â€“ hope you donâ€™t mind if I give this Wide Area Distribution. I work in the area of Crystal Meth addiction and have used the British precedent in many arguments I have made. You can check out my thinking at <a href="http://redsevenone.vox.com" rel="nofollow">http://redsevenone.vox.com</a> â€“ Many Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not sure how you could supervise administration of diamorphine though.&quot; 

it&#039;s an issue. shooting galleries are a possibility, or no supervision i suppose, just like methadone. that would save money, and make it more practical, but it would mean we accepted leakage as a side effect of prescription, in the same way that we accept acquisitive crime, violent crime, exploitation in developing world producer countries, recruitment by dealer-users, HIV and Hep C, increased prevalence of IV use, etc, as side effects of &quot;prohibition&quot;. 

whatever we choose, people don&#039;t stop taking drugs simply because we tell them to stop, so unfortunately &quot;prohibition&quot; is essentially a byword for &quot;organised criminal distribution&quot;. it is possible that having drugs distributed on a huge industrial scale by organised criminals is the best solution for our society; but in the name of clear thinking, the one thing we really shouldn&#039;t do is pretend to ourselves that &quot;prohibition&quot; means &quot;people not taking drugs&quot;.

i&#039;m not sure that either is necessarily the right route, i just think we&#039;re choosing between different sets of problems, rather than fantastical ideal world solutions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not sure how you could supervise administration of diamorphine though.&#8221; </p>
<p>it&#8217;s an issue. shooting galleries are a possibility, or no supervision i suppose, just like methadone. that would save money, and make it more practical, but it would mean we accepted leakage as a side effect of prescription, in the same way that we accept acquisitive crime, violent crime, exploitation in developing world producer countries, recruitment by dealer-users, HIV and Hep C, increased prevalence of IV use, etc, as side effects of &#8220;prohibition&#8221;. </p>
<p>whatever we choose, people don&#8217;t stop taking drugs simply because we tell them to stop, so unfortunately &#8220;prohibition&#8221; is essentially a byword for &#8220;organised criminal distribution&#8221;. it is possible that having drugs distributed on a huge industrial scale by organised criminals is the best solution for our society; but in the name of clear thinking, the one thing we really shouldn&#8217;t do is pretend to ourselves that &#8220;prohibition&#8221; means &#8220;people not taking drugs&#8221;.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not sure that either is necessarily the right route, i just think we&#8217;re choosing between different sets of problems, rather than fantastical ideal world solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with methadone treatment is that too often the dose prescribed is too low - an optimal dose is 60-120mg, but average doses are 56.7mg (there is a letter in this weeks Pharmaceutical Journal about this: http://www.pjonline.com/pdf/letters/pj_letters.pdf)

Diamorphine can still be prescribed for the treatment of opioid addiction, but only if the doctor has a licence from the Home Office, this also applies to cocaine and dipipanone (Diconal). 

Not sure how you could supervise administration of diamorphine though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with methadone treatment is that too often the dose prescribed is too low &#8211; an optimal dose is 60-120mg, but average doses are 56.7mg (there is a letter in this weeks Pharmaceutical Journal about this: <a href="http://www.pjonline.com/pdf/letters/pj_letters.pdf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.pjonline.com/pdf/letters/pj_letters.pdf)</a></p>
<p>Diamorphine can still be prescribed for the treatment of opioid addiction, but only if the doctor has a licence from the Home Office, this also applies to cocaine and dipipanone (Diconal). </p>
<p>Not sure how you could supervise administration of diamorphine though.</p>
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		<title>By: doctormonkey</title>
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		<description>wow, you were a verbose little HO back then! (or even student but it has less double entendre potential)

was it an SSM or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, you were a verbose little HO back then! (or even student but it has less double entendre potential)</p>
<p>was it an SSM or something?</p>
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		<title>By: stever</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curiosly enough cocaine is also a licensed drug and in the British National Formulary. It&#039;s used occassionaly in dentistry and opthalmology apparently. anyway - theres two guys, legends on the drugs scene, who are prescribed maintenance cocaine. 2 - in the entire UK. Obviously the treatment of stimulant addiction is a very different kettle of drugs to heroin but its still an interesting idea. Ofcourse loads of people are prescribed amphetamines and literally hundreds of thoasands prescribed benzos of one sort or another. No-one is prescribed booze though - no need you can buy it pretty much anywhere. 

I havent read the essay - but Im sure its great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiosly enough cocaine is also a licensed drug and in the British National Formulary. It&#8217;s used occassionaly in dentistry and opthalmology apparently. anyway &#8211; theres two guys, legends on the drugs scene, who are prescribed maintenance cocaine. 2 &#8211; in the entire UK. Obviously the treatment of stimulant addiction is a very different kettle of drugs to heroin but its still an interesting idea. Ofcourse loads of people are prescribed amphetamines and literally hundreds of thoasands prescribed benzos of one sort or another. No-one is prescribed booze though &#8211; no need you can buy it pretty much anywhere. </p>
<p>I havent read the essay &#8211; but Im sure its great.</p>
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