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		<title>By: mammageddon</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-38672</link>
		<dc:creator>mammageddon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now listen carefully young man, this is not ze way to bring de leibe to der Planet and wie hast need of Codo now more than ze could possibly imagine; du bist ist compromising ze attempt to helpf her passen door through ze hasschirmm screen und there may be serious ramnifications for all of us except me.

Please to forgive der meine Mnglisch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now listen carefully young man, this is not ze way to bring de leibe to der Planet and wie hast need of Codo now more than ze could possibly imagine; du bist ist compromising ze attempt to helpf her passen door through ze hasschirmm screen und there may be serious ramnifications for all of us except me.</p>
<p>Please to forgive der meine Mnglisch.</p>
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		<title>By: jiangjiang</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-29732</link>
		<dc:creator>jiangjiang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jobbys</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-9195</link>
		<dc:creator>jobbys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Low libido fans of Ms McKeith needn&#039;t worry, her other Love products are still freely available (supported by excellent clinical evidence).

http://www.naturesmax.co.uk/catalog/Living-Food-Love-Bites-200g-tub-p-16661.html

Just remember though, sex makes kittens cry and that just isn&#039;t nice.

http://www.b3tards.com/u/50ea193c5fcac48cfdc2/stampoutsecs2.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Low libido fans of Ms McKeith needn&#8217;t worry, her other Love products are still freely available (supported by excellent clinical evidence).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.naturesmax.co.uk/catalog/Living-Food-Love-Bites-200g-tub-p-16661.html" rel="nofollow">www.naturesmax.co.uk/catalog/Living-Food-Love-Bites-200g-tub-p-16661.html</a></p>
<p>Just remember though, sex makes kittens cry and that just isn&#8217;t nice.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.b3tards.com/u/50ea193c5fcac48cfdc2/stampoutsecs2.jpg" rel="nofollow">www.b3tards.com/u/50ea193c5fcac48cfdc2/stampoutsecs2.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: butterfish</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-9124</link>
		<dc:creator>butterfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RMT is supposed to be &#039;the most natural way to maintain the efficacy of the plants&#039;. More natural than just eating the plants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RMT is supposed to be &#8216;the most natural way to maintain the efficacy of the plants&#8217;. More natural than just eating the plants?</p>
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		<title>By: Delster</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-9122</link>
		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Telecommunications myself and on sites like Heathrow airport we have to build in quadruple redundancy. So if the primary systems go out any one of the other back up&#039;s can pick up the entire load.

This includes having 4 seperate physical routes for the cables. Setting up the software and hardware so even if a mix of hardware units &amp; other cable routes go out it&#039;ll find a way to route the calls &amp; traffic. Can you imagine the chaos if the south east england air traffic control goes down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Telecommunications myself and on sites like Heathrow airport we have to build in quadruple redundancy. So if the primary systems go out any one of the other back up&#8217;s can pick up the entire load.</p>
<p>This includes having 4 seperate physical routes for the cables. Setting up the software and hardware so even if a mix of hardware units &amp; other cable routes go out it&#8217;ll find a way to route the calls &amp; traffic. Can you imagine the chaos if the south east england air traffic control goes down?</p>
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		<title>By: apgaylard</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-9100</link>
		<dc:creator>apgaylard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Stats and Significance
In my branch of engineering (automotive) the current fashion is to have an appropriate separation between the mean value of any vital system metric and its &quot;failure&quot; value (failure mode avoidance).  This separation can vary from three &quot;standard deviations&quot; to six and higher (I have come across values as high as eleven for really important processes).

It does seem counter-intuitive that medical practitioners and researchers are prepared to accept a 1 in 20 chance of their result being a &quot;fluke&quot; and thus their process not actually working when deployed, when dealing with matters of health and wellbeing; whilst my industry sees the need to achieve no more than 3.4 defects per million opportunities (the mis-named &quot;Six Sigma&quot; creed) when designing relatively mundane (non-safety critical) aspects of a common consumer product.

One answer may be that failures are obvious in engineering (my car won&#039;t start, the AC doesn&#039;t work ...) whilst the complexities of the human organism and psyche can obscure that treatments aren&#039;t actually doing what they were intended to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Stats and Significance<br />
In my branch of engineering (automotive) the current fashion is to have an appropriate separation between the mean value of any vital system metric and its &#8220;failure&#8221; value (failure mode avoidance).  This separation can vary from three &#8220;standard deviations&#8221; to six and higher (I have come across values as high as eleven for really important processes).</p>
<p>It does seem counter-intuitive that medical practitioners and researchers are prepared to accept a 1 in 20 chance of their result being a &#8220;fluke&#8221; and thus their process not actually working when deployed, when dealing with matters of health and wellbeing; whilst my industry sees the need to achieve no more than 3.4 defects per million opportunities (the mis-named &#8220;Six Sigma&#8221; creed) when designing relatively mundane (non-safety critical) aspects of a common consumer product.</p>
<p>One answer may be that failures are obvious in engineering (my car won&#8217;t start, the AC doesn&#8217;t work &#8230;) whilst the complexities of the human organism and psyche can obscure that treatments aren&#8217;t actually doing what they were intended to do.</p>
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		<title>By: boro_dave</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-9089</link>
		<dc:creator>boro_dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 13:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patent pending means you have a live patent application on file somewhere in the world. Use of it when you haven&#039;t got an application is illegal.

I searched for patents registered to mckeith, but the only ones are related to stud walls by a Mr Stuart McKeith.

Happy to search for other relevant company names if you can suggest them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patent pending means you have a live patent application on file somewhere in the world. Use of it when you haven&#8217;t got an application is illegal.</p>
<p>I searched for patents registered to mckeith, but the only ones are related to stud walls by a Mr Stuart McKeith.</p>
<p>Happy to search for other relevant company names if you can suggest them</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-9087</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 13:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, adding a design margin (the percentage varies, but is rarely less than 10%) has several advantages.  For instance, if you make a small mistake in sizing the equipment, it can be covered by the design margin.  (It doesn&#039;t cover a Nasa-sized mistake, eg, feet = metres, though.)

Also, when the operators get their hands on the equipment and manage to produce over the design capacity, they get to feel smug - because they can use the equipment better than it was designed for.  They often don&#039;t understand that they&#039;re pushing the safety margin, but will give you more work in the future.

We often get more work on sites which have gone bang (Buncefield, Texas City, etc.)

Just found this on the BBC site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6179374.stm

One quote from the CAM apologist is that Professor Waxman&#039;s opinion is interesting, but is a personal one.  Pulling together other Bad Science articles; I wonder if a Court of Law would consider Professor Waxman&#039;s opinion as &#039;personal&#039; or &#039;expert&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, adding a design margin (the percentage varies, but is rarely less than 10%) has several advantages.  For instance, if you make a small mistake in sizing the equipment, it can be covered by the design margin.  (It doesn&#8217;t cover a Nasa-sized mistake, eg, feet = metres, though.)</p>
<p>Also, when the operators get their hands on the equipment and manage to produce over the design capacity, they get to feel smug &#8211; because they can use the equipment better than it was designed for.  They often don&#8217;t understand that they&#8217;re pushing the safety margin, but will give you more work in the future.</p>
<p>We often get more work on sites which have gone bang (Buncefield, Texas City, etc.)</p>
<p>Just found this on the BBC site: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6179374.stm" rel="nofollow">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6179374.stm</a></p>
<p>One quote from the CAM apologist is that Professor Waxman&#8217;s opinion is interesting, but is a personal one.  Pulling together other Bad Science articles; I wonder if a Court of Law would consider Professor Waxman&#8217;s opinion as &#8216;personal&#8217; or &#8216;expert&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Delster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

This is the difference between engineering and medicine... we don;t have to rely on patients subjective opinions of how much better they feel etc... with us it either works or it doesn&#039;t or in your case explodes or doesn&#039;t.... might i recommend 20%? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>This is the difference between engineering and medicine&#8230; we don;t have to rely on patients subjective opinions of how much better they feel etc&#8230; with us it either works or it doesn&#8217;t or in your case explodes or doesn&#8217;t&#8230;. might i recommend 20%? <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: three tigers</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-9068</link>
		<dc:creator>three tigers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see the patent (since the products are patent-pending) and find out how they got the evidence of efficacy.  

Also since to get a patent, the subject of the patent must be &quot;new &quot;or a new use, evidence of traditional usage would count as prior art and would not be patentable.

Anyone know if there is a legal definition of patent pending, and if your product or idea is found not to be patentable, you can no longer cite Patent Pending on the blurb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see the patent (since the products are patent-pending) and find out how they got the evidence of efficacy.  </p>
<p>Also since to get a patent, the subject of the patent must be &#8220;new &#8220;or a new use, evidence of traditional usage would count as prior art and would not be patentable.</p>
<p>Anyone know if there is a legal definition of patent pending, and if your product or idea is found not to be patentable, you can no longer cite Patent Pending on the blurb?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In engineering, well my branch of engineering which is continuous processing of highly flammable, pressurised hydrocarbons, we don&#039;t use statistical significance.

We design all our equipment very carefully, and then add 10%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In engineering, well my branch of engineering which is continuous processing of highly flammable, pressurised hydrocarbons, we don&#8217;t use statistical significance.</p>
<p>We design all our equipment very carefully, and then add 10%.</p>
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		<title>By: Filias Cupio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filias Cupio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my not-too-extensive experience, in physics significance is 3 sigma or P=0.005. Uncertainties are usually given as standard error (1 sigma) or as 95% confidence limits. Personally, I would regard a P=0.05 result as suggestive rather than significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my not-too-extensive experience, in physics significance is 3 sigma or P=0.005. Uncertainties are usually given as standard error (1 sigma) or as 95% confidence limits. Personally, I would regard a P=0.05 result as suggestive rather than significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Despard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Despard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this is the reason for the recent crackdown.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6166324.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this is the reason for the recent crackdown.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6166324.stm" rel="nofollow">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6166324.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: TimW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a way, it&#039;s nice to see them straight-out-shameless-lie about it.  Helps clarify what sort of an organisation they are.

Like the website says:
&quot;Welcome to the new Dr Gillian McKeith Official Website - Empowering  people to improve their lives through information, food and lifestyle&quot;

Information, right.  Thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a way, it&#8217;s nice to see them straight-out-shameless-lie about it.  Helps clarify what sort of an organisation they are.</p>
<p>Like the website says:<br />
&#8220;Welcome to the new Dr Gillian McKeith Official Website &#8211; Empowering  people to improve their lives through information, food and lifestyle&#8221;</p>
<p>Information, right.  Thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: CDavis</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-9058</link>
		<dc:creator>CDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And more. Here&#039;s McPoo herself on this issue:

&quot;It&#039;s obvious that the EU bureaucrats are clearly concerned that people in the UK are having too much good sex.&quot;

Snarl. Gnash.

CD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And more. Here&#8217;s McPoo herself on this issue:</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s obvious that the EU bureaucrats are clearly concerned that people in the UK are having too much good sex.&#8221;</p>
<p>Snarl. Gnash.</p>
<p>CD</p>
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		<title>By: CDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>CDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Poo Central are making it look as though some piece of EU regulation gorn maaad simply caught them unawares:

&#039;About Wild Pink Yam and Horny Goat Weed Supplements

Due to the new EU licensing laws regarding herbal products, and after extensive consultation with the MHRA, McKeith Research Ltd has withdrawn two supplement products â€“ Wild Pink Yam and Horny Goat Weed Capsules. The new EU ruling affects a wide range of herbal products currently on sale in the UK, and McKeith Research Ltd is willing to comply with all new regulations as they work closely with the MHRA to ensure that products comply with the new licensing specifications.&#039;

Love the &#039;extensive consultation&#039;. Bastards.

CD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Poo Central are making it look as though some piece of EU regulation gorn maaad simply caught them unawares:</p>
<p>&#8216;About Wild Pink Yam and Horny Goat Weed Supplements</p>
<p>Due to the new EU licensing laws regarding herbal products, and after extensive consultation with the MHRA, McKeith Research Ltd has withdrawn two supplement products â€“ Wild Pink Yam and Horny Goat Weed Capsules. The new EU ruling affects a wide range of herbal products currently on sale in the UK, and McKeith Research Ltd is willing to comply with all new regulations as they work closely with the MHRA to ensure that products comply with the new licensing specifications.&#8217;</p>
<p>Love the &#8216;extensive consultation&#8217;. Bastards.</p>
<p>CD</p>
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		<title>By: Despard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Despard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It totally depends. I&#039;m not sure statistics is used in the same way in those disciplines - as far as I recall from my undergraduate degree, it isn&#039;t used at all in physics.

In psychology, the usual level is 0.05, though obviously a lower alpha level is all to the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It totally depends. I&#8217;m not sure statistics is used in the same way in those disciplines &#8211; as far as I recall from my undergraduate degree, it isn&#8217;t used at all in physics.</p>
<p>In psychology, the usual level is 0.05, though obviously a lower alpha level is all to the good.</p>
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		<title>By: apothecary</title>
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		<dc:creator>apothecary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, ain&#039;t it.  

On a slightly different tack - post 3 and 12 re &quot;approaching statistical significance&quot;.  This has always bothered me.  I mean, the idea that P=0.049 (ie a 1 in 20.4 chance the result is a fluke) is statistically significant, but a P=0.051 (ie a 1 in 19.6 it&#039;s a fluke) is not significant - as though significance were an absolute and we could dichotomise results (not sureabout the English there).  Certainly Big Pharma has not been too scrupulous about exploiting this idea (and type II error, and the difference between clinical significance and statistical significance, and ....).  

I might be willing to accept a treatment based on P=0.06 or even greater, if there was no alternative treatment, the consequences of no treatment were awful and the cost (financial, risk and severity of harms, etc) was low.  But I might not accept treatment at P=0.01 if the benefits were small and the cost was very high.  

Just for interest, in medicine P=0.05 is the conventional limit, but what about other sciences?  What sort of P values are conventional as significant in, say, engineering, or chemistry, etc?

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, ain&#8217;t it.  </p>
<p>On a slightly different tack &#8211; post 3 and 12 re &#8220;approaching statistical significance&#8221;.  This has always bothered me.  I mean, the idea that P=0.049 (ie a 1 in 20.4 chance the result is a fluke) is statistically significant, but a P=0.051 (ie a 1 in 19.6 it&#8217;s a fluke) is not significant &#8211; as though significance were an absolute and we could dichotomise results (not sureabout the English there).  Certainly Big Pharma has not been too scrupulous about exploiting this idea (and type II error, and the difference between clinical significance and statistical significance, and &#8230;.).  </p>
<p>I might be willing to accept a treatment based on P=0.06 or even greater, if there was no alternative treatment, the consequences of no treatment were awful and the cost (financial, risk and severity of harms, etc) was low.  But I might not accept treatment at P=0.01 if the benefits were small and the cost was very high.  </p>
<p>Just for interest, in medicine P=0.05 is the conventional limit, but what about other sciences?  What sort of P values are conventional as significant in, say, engineering, or chemistry, etc?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2006/11/the-awful-poo-lady/comment-page-1/#comment-9054</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Times&#039;s coverage has another comment from the MHRA:

&quot;A spokesman for the MHRA said that â€œthere is no evidence of the productsâ€™ efficacy for the medicinal purpose for which they were advertised. The company may reapply for a medicine licence for these products but will have to prove that they conform to standards in safety, quality and efficacy.â€&quot;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2462980,00.html

Maybe the traditional herbal medicines scheme won&#039;t apply after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Times&#8217;s coverage has another comment from the MHRA:</p>
<p>&#8220;A spokesman for the MHRA said that â€œthere is no evidence of the productsâ€™ efficacy for the medicinal purpose for which they were advertised. The company may reapply for a medicine licence for these products but will have to prove that they conform to standards in safety, quality and efficacy.â€&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2462980,00.html" rel="nofollow">www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2462980,00.html</a></p>
<p>Maybe the traditional herbal medicines scheme won&#8217;t apply after all.</p>
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		<title>By: zooloo</title>
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		<dc:creator>zooloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pwnd as I believe people say nowadays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pwnd as I believe people say nowadays.</p>
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