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	<title>Comments on: Ms Gillian McKeith &#8211; Banned From Calling Herself A Doctor! &#8211; squabble update below</title>
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		<title>By: KellyChow</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-31037</link>
		<dc:creator>KellyChow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When McKeith publicly publishes phony materials backed by a designation of &quot;doctor&quot;, it really makes me upset. Obviously the materials that she publishes have not been backed my scientific findings and how these discoveries from her is made up from thin air can really affect the health of others. Many sufferers online are simply attempting to better their health and lifestyle. When they stumble upon what appears to be a trusted source, and follow the materials, it can be quite concerning in what results from that. I am glad people are stepping up to question her validity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When McKeith publicly publishes phony materials backed by a designation of &#8220;doctor&#8221;, it really makes me upset. Obviously the materials that she publishes have not been backed my scientific findings and how these discoveries from her is made up from thin air can really affect the health of others. Many sufferers online are simply attempting to better their health and lifestyle. When they stumble upon what appears to be a trusted source, and follow the materials, it can be quite concerning in what results from that. I am glad people are stepping up to question her validity.</p>
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		<title>By: diudiu</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-30175</link>
		<dc:creator>diudiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aqua fanatic</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-26146</link>
		<dc:creator>aqua fanatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I had to stop reading this article at one point - I was at work laughing so hard that I don&#039;t think it would be long before someone called the men in white coats to take me away!
I particularly love her claims about DNA and algae, it brought tears to my eyes!

On a serious note though, it angers and frustrates me that frauds such as her get such acclaim and, dare I say it, respect from the naive and ignorant public (and media); making millions from manufacturing &quot;facts&quot;. I have to admit that until reading your article I didn&#039;t realise how bad she really was (I can&#039;t stand watching her programs as it is!). It appears that those who shout the loudest get the most recognition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I had to stop reading this article at one point &#8211; I was at work laughing so hard that I don&#8217;t think it would be long before someone called the men in white coats to take me away!<br />
I particularly love her claims about DNA and algae, it brought tears to my eyes!</p>
<p>On a serious note though, it angers and frustrates me that frauds such as her get such acclaim and, dare I say it, respect from the naive and ignorant public (and media); making millions from manufacturing &#8220;facts&#8221;. I have to admit that until reading your article I didn&#8217;t realise how bad she really was (I can&#8217;t stand watching her programs as it is!). It appears that those who shout the loudest get the most recognition.</p>
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		<title>By: montyford</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-26114</link>
		<dc:creator>montyford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Goldacre,

I cannot resist telling you a short story on behalf of a friend I met up with last weekend...

Every year, him and a group of others meet up for a themed house party in the country. 
The theme 2 years ago was &quot;Baddies&quot;.
Most people at the party were dressed up as comic hero nasties, Clockwork Orange, horror film baddies etc. 

My friend (a 6 foot, dark haired, bearded male) dressed up as Dr Gillian Mckeith PhD. 
I thought it was perfect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Goldacre,</p>
<p>I cannot resist telling you a short story on behalf of a friend I met up with last weekend&#8230;</p>
<p>Every year, him and a group of others meet up for a themed house party in the country.<br />
The theme 2 years ago was &#8220;Baddies&#8221;.<br />
Most people at the party were dressed up as comic hero nasties, Clockwork Orange, horror film baddies etc. </p>
<p>My friend (a 6 foot, dark haired, bearded male) dressed up as Dr Gillian Mckeith PhD.<br />
I thought it was perfect!</p>
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		<title>By: clayton college fan</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-24069</link>
		<dc:creator>clayton college fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m late to the party, but this is a great discussion.

I disagree with the negative slant towards Clayton College of Natural Health.

But I agree that there is a lot of quackery going on the natural health industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m late to the party, but this is a great discussion.</p>
<p>I disagree with the negative slant towards Clayton College of Natural Health.</p>
<p>But I agree that there is a lot of quackery going on the natural health industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Annoying Twit</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-23236</link>
		<dc:creator>Annoying Twit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish to point out that I share Ben&#039;s opinions on Ms Gillian McKeith.

But I wish to split one microscopic hair concerning this article. Ben points out that chlorophyll won&#039;t make oxygen in your gut and even if you stuck a flashlight up there and made some, you wouldn&#039;t adsorb it, as you don&#039;t have gills up there. He then goes on to say that even fish don&#039;t have gills up there.

Truly pathetic of me to say this, but quite a few fish, particularly those that live in oxygen poor environments, will swallow air, and extract oxygen from it as it passes through their gut. Some of the South American armoured catfish, including some of the genus Ancistrus, are an example of this. So, some fish do, in a small way, have gills up their arses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to point out that I share Ben&#8217;s opinions on Ms Gillian McKeith.</p>
<p>But I wish to split one microscopic hair concerning this article. Ben points out that chlorophyll won&#8217;t make oxygen in your gut and even if you stuck a flashlight up there and made some, you wouldn&#8217;t adsorb it, as you don&#8217;t have gills up there. He then goes on to say that even fish don&#8217;t have gills up there.</p>
<p>Truly pathetic of me to say this, but quite a few fish, particularly those that live in oxygen poor environments, will swallow air, and extract oxygen from it as it passes through their gut. Some of the South American armoured catfish, including some of the genus Ancistrus, are an example of this. So, some fish do, in a small way, have gills up their arses.</p>
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		<title>By: Gobsmacked</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-22649</link>
		<dc:creator>Gobsmacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just idly googled &quot;Dr Gillian McKeith&quot; and found this title plastered all over supplements etc still being sold, eg at www.auravita.com/products/AURA/NACH11644.asp

How long does this stuff stay in date? I wondered, as it&#039;s 20 months since Ms McK agreed to drop the title &quot;Dr&quot;.

But would you believe it, on her very own site there&#039;s also a bunch of clearly labelled &quot;Dr Gillian McKeith&quot; supplements:
http://www.gillianmckeith.info/gillianmckeithshop/gillianmckeithproducts/gillianmckeithsupplements.php

And come to think of it, funny how googling &quot;Dr Gillian McKeith&quot; brings up her Dr-less website, right up the top of the first page. Even though Google is usually so picky about a wrong title if it&#039;s not embedded somewhere in the site ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just idly googled &#8220;Dr Gillian McKeith&#8221; and found this title plastered all over supplements etc still being sold, eg at <a href="http://www.auravita.com/products/AURA/NACH11644.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.auravita.com/products/AURA/NACH11644.asp</a></p>
<p>How long does this stuff stay in date? I wondered, as it&#8217;s 20 months since Ms McK agreed to drop the title &#8220;Dr&#8221;.</p>
<p>But would you believe it, on her very own site there&#8217;s also a bunch of clearly labelled &#8220;Dr Gillian McKeith&#8221; supplements:<br />
<a href="http://www.gillianmckeith.info/gillianmckeithshop/gillianmckeithproducts/gillianmckeithsupplements.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.gillianmckeith.info/gillianmckeithshop/gillianmckeithproducts/gillianmckeithsupplements.php</a></p>
<p>And come to think of it, funny how googling &#8220;Dr Gillian McKeith&#8221; brings up her Dr-less website, right up the top of the first page. Even though Google is usually so picky about a wrong title if it&#8217;s not embedded somewhere in the site &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: keithevco</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-22580</link>
		<dc:creator>keithevco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t we (well, the Guardian maybe) ask her for a refund on the books sold under false pretences - assuming they were?

Perhaps it will make a good story alongside a Page 3 stunna?

K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t we (well, the Guardian maybe) ask her for a refund on the books sold under false pretences &#8211; assuming they were?</p>
<p>Perhaps it will make a good story alongside a Page 3 stunna?</p>
<p>K</p>
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		<title>By: Maarten Van Hemelen</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-19125</link>
		<dc:creator>Maarten Van Hemelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you get it into people&#039;s brains that chlorophyl and hemoglobin are not alike?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you get it into people&#8217;s brains that chlorophyl and hemoglobin are not alike?</p>
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		<title>By: emilypk</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-17938</link>
		<dc:creator>emilypk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us who think a PhD is worth years or our life and thousands of our dollars, it sure as hell *does* matter.  I means this woman is happy to lie about matters great and small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us who think a PhD is worth years or our life and thousands of our dollars, it sure as hell *does* matter.  I means this woman is happy to lie about matters great and small.</p>
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		<title>By: madtechie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-7/#comment-17860</link>
		<dc:creator>madtechie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, voluntarily not calling herself &#039;Dr&#039; any more?

from:

http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/publications-uhpb.php

we still find:

Dr Gillian McKeith’s Ultimate Health Plan is your bible to healthy eating, the only health plan you’ll ever need.

I must have a look to see just how many holes there are in the ASA&#039;s voluntary code of advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, voluntarily not calling herself &#8216;Dr&#8217; any more?</p>
<p>from:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/publications-uhpb.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/publications-uhpb.php</a></p>
<p>we still find:</p>
<p>Dr Gillian McKeith’s Ultimate Health Plan is your bible to healthy eating, the only health plan you’ll ever need.</p>
<p>I must have a look to see just how many holes there are in the ASA&#8217;s voluntary code of advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: raventattoocare</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-6/#comment-17199</link>
		<dc:creator>raventattoocare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think it even matters if she has a mail order PHd.  What she does is help people who are CRITICALLY OBESE learn about food to become healthy again... why bash someone who is doing good for people and at the same time, entertaining? If this is the ONLY way to get people in tv land to sit up and take notice to the havoc they are wreaking on their bodies, so be it!  The show is entertaining and even if she is not a &quot;real Doctor&quot; - does it REALLY matter in the end?  If I rescued someone out of a burning car and lied and told them I was a nurse, then they found out I lied, would it matter to them? I think not. I think this is a lot of jealous people going after someone who has been successful.  Whether flax seeds are ground or not, okay - does that really matter in the end? The point is - she gets the people EATING flax, which is different than the crisps and chocolate bars they gorged on in the past. At least flax won&#039;t hurt and put all the weight on! Heck, it might even help like she says! Why crucify someone who helps people? Think of all the people out there whose lives have forever changed due to watching her tv show.  She may have actually saved hundreds, even thousands of people from themselves.  At least she doesn&#039;t advocate the diet pills and dangerous diets rampant in the U.S. (assuming they are in the UK also).  She advocates exercise and a healthy lifestyle, so does anyone really care if she is a &quot;legit&quot; Phd?  I don&#039;t, and I will continue watching one of my favorite tv shows (which, since watching, I have lost almost 7 pounds due to her brainwashing!!! Yeah!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think it even matters if she has a mail order PHd.  What she does is help people who are CRITICALLY OBESE learn about food to become healthy again&#8230; why bash someone who is doing good for people and at the same time, entertaining? If this is the ONLY way to get people in tv land to sit up and take notice to the havoc they are wreaking on their bodies, so be it!  The show is entertaining and even if she is not a &#8220;real Doctor&#8221; &#8211; does it REALLY matter in the end?  If I rescued someone out of a burning car and lied and told them I was a nurse, then they found out I lied, would it matter to them? I think not. I think this is a lot of jealous people going after someone who has been successful.  Whether flax seeds are ground or not, okay &#8211; does that really matter in the end? The point is &#8211; she gets the people EATING flax, which is different than the crisps and chocolate bars they gorged on in the past. At least flax won&#8217;t hurt and put all the weight on! Heck, it might even help like she says! Why crucify someone who helps people? Think of all the people out there whose lives have forever changed due to watching her tv show.  She may have actually saved hundreds, even thousands of people from themselves.  At least she doesn&#8217;t advocate the diet pills and dangerous diets rampant in the U.S. (assuming they are in the UK also).  She advocates exercise and a healthy lifestyle, so does anyone really care if she is a &#8220;legit&#8221; Phd?  I don&#8217;t, and I will continue watching one of my favorite tv shows (which, since watching, I have lost almost 7 pounds due to her brainwashing!!! Yeah!).</p>
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		<title>By: sciencefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>sciencefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having arrived here today (by an extremely entertaining route, one waypoint being this site: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gillian_McKeith) I read with growing appreciation Ben G.&#039;s demolition job on Gillian McKeith - a wonderful read. Better to have come across it late rather than never, even if it is now late September.
However I would like to comment on Ben&#039;s antioxidant example, which does rely on one significant assumption, which, as he points out, isn&#039;t the scientific way (&quot;Otherwise it wouldn’t be called “science”, it would be called “assuming”, or “guessing”, or “making it up as you go along”.): In his argument he equates antioxidant supplements with the antioxidants consumed via fresh produce. As Ben says, &quot;... when you do compare people taking antioxidant supplement tablets with people on placebo, there’s no benefit; if anything, the antioxidant pills are harmful. Fruit and veg are still good for you, but as you can see, it looks as if it’s complicated and it might not just be about the extra antioxidants. It’s a surprising finding, but that’s science all over: the results are often counterintuitive.&quot; Might it not be about the antioxidants in (fresh) produce coming as part of a larger package, rather than as isolated, perhaps synthetic, antioxidants in pill form? Just a thought! Of course it would be hard to do a double-blind, placebo-controlled study using e.g. lemons and spinach - perhaps there&#039;s a market for genetically modified placebo produce devoid of any nutritional content. Hey, come to think of it, there may be some in my nearest supermarket!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having arrived here today (by an extremely entertaining route, one waypoint being this site: <a href="http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gillian_McKeith)" rel="nofollow">http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gillian_McKeith)</a> I read with growing appreciation Ben G.&#8217;s demolition job on Gillian McKeith &#8211; a wonderful read. Better to have come across it late rather than never, even if it is now late September.<br />
However I would like to comment on Ben&#8217;s antioxidant example, which does rely on one significant assumption, which, as he points out, isn&#8217;t the scientific way (&#8220;Otherwise it wouldn’t be called “science”, it would be called “assuming”, or “guessing”, or “making it up as you go along”.): In his argument he equates antioxidant supplements with the antioxidants consumed via fresh produce. As Ben says, &#8220;&#8230; when you do compare people taking antioxidant supplement tablets with people on placebo, there’s no benefit; if anything, the antioxidant pills are harmful. Fruit and veg are still good for you, but as you can see, it looks as if it’s complicated and it might not just be about the extra antioxidants. It’s a surprising finding, but that’s science all over: the results are often counterintuitive.&#8221; Might it not be about the antioxidants in (fresh) produce coming as part of a larger package, rather than as isolated, perhaps synthetic, antioxidants in pill form? Just a thought! Of course it would be hard to do a double-blind, placebo-controlled study using e.g. lemons and spinach &#8211; perhaps there&#8217;s a market for genetically modified placebo produce devoid of any nutritional content. Hey, come to think of it, there may be some in my nearest supermarket!</p>
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		<title>By: pcj-the</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcj-the</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant set of postings.  Congrats on at least a partial victory for the &quot;renaissance&quot; there Ben.
Couple of points: To Caitlin and Skeptyk
(Point1) To Caitlin: take it from an &quot;oldie&quot; of 60 years standing Caitlin, that what you are missing is a basic education in the simpler aspects of the sciences.  None of the material presented on here has been rocket science (really gives my age away that one doesn&#039;t it?)
I don&#039;t hold a PhD either, though where I served my apprenticeship (the electronics department of the Nuclear Physics Research Lab at Liverpool University) it was known irreverently to all (PhDs included) as &quot;piled higher and deeper&quot;.  :-)
I hold only a HNC in Electrical/Electronic Engineering (considered the equivalent of a pass degree back then) plus a later Cert Ed in Education and Training.  Like most Engineers of the time however, I was taught the scientific method of proving/disproving theories etc (peer review, double blind testing, trying to avoid bias, avoidance of skewing results by deliberately selecting only favourable data and so on).  None of it requires Einstinian abilities.  What is does require is sometimes getting off one&#039;s backside and doing your own reading, learning and (pardon pun given the subject) digesting the basics of the subject under debate, plus of course the oft mentioned factor on here &quot;critical thinking&quot;.  I thank God I had a good general education courtesy of a Grammar School esp in Maths and Science(though not biology: clashed with Geography in the timetable) You don&#039;t have to have gone into a subject to PhD level to argue with someone who has the basics wrong or who is deliberately misrepresenting them.
Secondly Caitlin you&#039;ll get small change from a lot of people in the &quot;science/engineering&quot; boat if you come over all hurt feelings/sulky &quot;I&#039;m going elsewhere&quot; because (a) you haven&#039;t read the previous posts and/or boned up on the basics (the internet or your local library could solve that) or (b) we don&#039;t take your beliefs as something &quot;complimentary&quot; and therefore by extension &quot; at a compatible level&quot; with hard-won accepted scientific/engineering reasoning which has to withstand sometimes furious and rigourous debate from others well-versed in our disciplines.
That was why you didn&#039;t get the point when you were told to be prepared to have to change your point of view if you were to open yourself up to entering into this system.
Finally you might think &quot;hurt feelings/sulky&quot; doesn&#039;t apply?
Read my following comment to Skeptyk for his Feb 18th post with its last paragraph referring to his not understanding your &quot;burnt fingers&quot; jibe.  I did!

(Point 2) To Skeptyk for Feb 18th post:  Your last paragraph concerning Caitlin&#039;s post:
Ref the &quot;burnt fingers and not met for centuries/lighting bonfires&quot; jibe from Caitlin: tch tch Skeptyk, you must have been tired there.  Regard the lady&#039;s &quot;handle&quot;.  Methinks she was ever such a little bit p****ed off with your previous spot on comments: she was hinting at you being a witch-burner in  a previous life.  Call me cynical (or a taxi if you wish, to quote the old joke) but looking at her replies to other posters I see just a little bit of manipulation/flattery applied from time to time too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant set of postings.  Congrats on at least a partial victory for the &#8220;renaissance&#8221; there Ben.<br />
Couple of points: To Caitlin and Skeptyk<br />
(Point1) To Caitlin: take it from an &#8220;oldie&#8221; of 60 years standing Caitlin, that what you are missing is a basic education in the simpler aspects of the sciences.  None of the material presented on here has been rocket science (really gives my age away that one doesn&#8217;t it?)<br />
I don&#8217;t hold a PhD either, though where I served my apprenticeship (the electronics department of the Nuclear Physics Research Lab at Liverpool University) it was known irreverently to all (PhDs included) as &#8220;piled higher and deeper&#8221;.  <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I hold only a HNC in Electrical/Electronic Engineering (considered the equivalent of a pass degree back then) plus a later Cert Ed in Education and Training.  Like most Engineers of the time however, I was taught the scientific method of proving/disproving theories etc (peer review, double blind testing, trying to avoid bias, avoidance of skewing results by deliberately selecting only favourable data and so on).  None of it requires Einstinian abilities.  What is does require is sometimes getting off one&#8217;s backside and doing your own reading, learning and (pardon pun given the subject) digesting the basics of the subject under debate, plus of course the oft mentioned factor on here &#8220;critical thinking&#8221;.  I thank God I had a good general education courtesy of a Grammar School esp in Maths and Science(though not biology: clashed with Geography in the timetable) You don&#8217;t have to have gone into a subject to PhD level to argue with someone who has the basics wrong or who is deliberately misrepresenting them.<br />
Secondly Caitlin you&#8217;ll get small change from a lot of people in the &#8220;science/engineering&#8221; boat if you come over all hurt feelings/sulky &#8220;I&#8217;m going elsewhere&#8221; because (a) you haven&#8217;t read the previous posts and/or boned up on the basics (the internet or your local library could solve that) or (b) we don&#8217;t take your beliefs as something &#8220;complimentary&#8221; and therefore by extension &#8221; at a compatible level&#8221; with hard-won accepted scientific/engineering reasoning which has to withstand sometimes furious and rigourous debate from others well-versed in our disciplines.<br />
That was why you didn&#8217;t get the point when you were told to be prepared to have to change your point of view if you were to open yourself up to entering into this system.<br />
Finally you might think &#8220;hurt feelings/sulky&#8221; doesn&#8217;t apply?<br />
Read my following comment to Skeptyk for his Feb 18th post with its last paragraph referring to his not understanding your &#8220;burnt fingers&#8221; jibe.  I did!</p>
<p>(Point 2) To Skeptyk for Feb 18th post:  Your last paragraph concerning Caitlin&#8217;s post:<br />
Ref the &#8220;burnt fingers and not met for centuries/lighting bonfires&#8221; jibe from Caitlin: tch tch Skeptyk, you must have been tired there.  Regard the lady&#8217;s &#8220;handle&#8221;.  Methinks she was ever such a little bit p****ed off with your previous spot on comments: she was hinting at you being a witch-burner in  a previous life.  Call me cynical (or a taxi if you wish, to quote the old joke) but looking at her replies to other posters I see just a little bit of manipulation/flattery applied from time to time too.</p>
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		<title>By: delph</title>
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		<dc:creator>delph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so pleased that there has been some action against Dr McGillian, but there is a long way to go.

Her success shows that if you are bossy, brazen, pushy, ambitious, shameless, tough, ruthless and arrogant enough, and you have nice hair and teeth and speak confidently on TV, and you are prepared to promote yourself very aggressively and snarl about lawsuits if anyone questions you, you will succeed no matter what. You will be feted by some, will attract a following and become wealthy.

Let&#039;s not bother trying to &quot;understand&quot; her ideas on acidosis or chlorophyll, people  - we all know that these statements are like students&#039; exam howlers; she just doesn&#039;t understand the biochemistry and physiology.

Let&#039;s all keep writing - I&#039;m appalled to see how she has bullied people into taking down comments made about her, so let&#039;s step it up - she can&#039;t sue us all, and certainly won&#039;t be successful suing people who write true statements. Her CV is very suspect indeed but if genuine, she could easily have corrected any &quot;misunderstandings&quot;, which would have stopped us all commenting; she knows the best tactic is to prevent too much delving into her education and experience (or Mr Clifford does).
Hopefully she won&#039;t get away with it for much longer.
Ben is right, &quot;Channel 4, which bent over backwards to dress her up in the cloak of scientific authority, should be ashamed of itself.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so pleased that there has been some action against Dr McGillian, but there is a long way to go.</p>
<p>Her success shows that if you are bossy, brazen, pushy, ambitious, shameless, tough, ruthless and arrogant enough, and you have nice hair and teeth and speak confidently on TV, and you are prepared to promote yourself very aggressively and snarl about lawsuits if anyone questions you, you will succeed no matter what. You will be feted by some, will attract a following and become wealthy.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not bother trying to &#8220;understand&#8221; her ideas on acidosis or chlorophyll, people  &#8211; we all know that these statements are like students&#8217; exam howlers; she just doesn&#8217;t understand the biochemistry and physiology.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s all keep writing &#8211; I&#8217;m appalled to see how she has bullied people into taking down comments made about her, so let&#8217;s step it up &#8211; she can&#8217;t sue us all, and certainly won&#8217;t be successful suing people who write true statements. Her CV is very suspect indeed but if genuine, she could easily have corrected any &#8220;misunderstandings&#8221;, which would have stopped us all commenting; she knows the best tactic is to prevent too much delving into her education and experience (or Mr Clifford does).<br />
Hopefully she won&#8217;t get away with it for much longer.<br />
Ben is right, &#8220;Channel 4, which bent over backwards to dress her up in the cloak of scientific authority, should be ashamed of itself.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: b33k34</title>
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		<dc:creator>b33k34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve a friend who is studying for Nutritional Therapy degree, and is asking for people to attend sessions at the University of Westminster Polyclinic to get some clinical experience.  I&#039;m trying to work out exactly what a nutritional therapist is.  

A few websearches aren&#039;t helping.  I&#039;m particularly fond of http://www.nutritionaltherapy.co.uk/ which says in response to &quot;Whatâ€™s the difference between a nutritional therapist and a dietician?&quot; that &quot;A nutritional therapist uses lots of research from peer reviewed sources. A dietician uses research based on scientific evidence.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve a friend who is studying for Nutritional Therapy degree, and is asking for people to attend sessions at the University of Westminster Polyclinic to get some clinical experience.  I&#8217;m trying to work out exactly what a nutritional therapist is.  </p>
<p>A few websearches aren&#8217;t helping.  I&#8217;m particularly fond of <a href="http://www.nutritionaltherapy.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nutritionaltherapy.co.uk/</a> which says in response to &#8220;Whatâ€™s the difference between a nutritional therapist and a dietician?&#8221; that &#8220;A nutritional therapist uses lots of research from peer reviewed sources. A dietician uses research based on scientific evidence.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: big_ee</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-6/#comment-11440</link>
		<dc:creator>big_ee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm , reluctant as i am to kick a millionaire when she&#039;s down but here goes...

On her mckeithinteractive.com website ( Where she is still Dr, btw) the personal profile offered at a bargain Â£34.99 purports to give a personal analysis of which Foods, Vitamins, Minerals, Superfoods, Herbs and Spices the individuals body &#039;needs&#039;, based on  a &#039;health factor status&#039;  These factors include Blood Sugar, Thyroid, and &#039;male hormones&#039;, and â€˜heart and circulationâ€™.

Now as any diabetic will tell you testing blood sugar levels involves shedding blood. Not answering asinine questions on a website.

As i can&#039;t really be @rsed, i&#039;m not sure what actual questions the 30-40 minute questionnaire does ask: but i&#039;ll bet a pound to a peanut, that they won&#039;t bear any relation to real blood sugar, endocrinology, or exercise physiology tests that they purport to. Being as they are on a website, and do not involve a lab, needle or complicated exercise equipment. 

I appeal for someone with Â£34.95 to and time to invest, to take the test, wait for the personal results &#039;book&#039; and then call trading standards!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm , reluctant as i am to kick a millionaire when she&#8217;s down but here goes&#8230;</p>
<p>On her <a href="http://mckeithinteractive.com" title="http://mckeithinteractive.com" target="_blank">mckeithinteractive.com</a> website ( Where she is still Dr, btw) the personal profile offered at a bargain Â£34.99 purports to give a personal analysis of which Foods, Vitamins, Minerals, Superfoods, Herbs and Spices the individuals body &#8216;needs&#8217;, based on  a &#8216;health factor status&#8217;  These factors include Blood Sugar, Thyroid, and &#8216;male hormones&#8217;, and â€˜heart and circulationâ€™.</p>
<p>Now as any diabetic will tell you testing blood sugar levels involves shedding blood. Not answering asinine questions on a website.</p>
<p>As i can&#8217;t really be @rsed, i&#8217;m not sure what actual questions the 30-40 minute questionnaire does ask: but i&#8217;ll bet a pound to a peanut, that they won&#8217;t bear any relation to real blood sugar, endocrinology, or exercise physiology tests that they purport to. Being as they are on a website, and do not involve a lab, needle or complicated exercise equipment. </p>
<p>I appeal for someone with Â£34.95 to and time to invest, to take the test, wait for the personal results &#8216;book&#8217; and then call trading standards!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Clegg</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/comment-page-6/#comment-11220</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Clegg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. #292 -- someone should tell her researchers that &#039;poo&#039; is what their beloved guru likes to cavort in whereas &#039;Pooh&#039; is a much-loved children&#039;s story character.

Andrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. #292 &#8212; someone should tell her researchers that &#8216;poo&#8217; is what their beloved guru likes to cavort in whereas &#8216;Pooh&#8217; is a much-loved children&#8217;s story character.</p>
<p>Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This woman gets on my nerves. Not content with taking the pi$$, she takes the poo too.
&quot;As far as Iâ€™m concerned, because of the hard work I have done, Iâ€™ll continue to put PhD after my name; Iâ€™m entitled to use the word Dr as and when I choose.&quot;. Well, I&#039;ve worked hard for the last 20 years - unloading ships,in warehouses,in banks and insurance companies....If I write a thesis on the Social Dynamics of the Fag Break, can I give myself a PhD? 
Anyway, I have a Plan (I think it justifies the capital letter) to take down her TV show. I&#039;ve got a bit of a beer belly so I&#039;m going to volunteer for her show. Oh, to face her on telly and say &quot;Actually dear, that&#039;s fennel not a leek&quot;, or maybe &quot;My friend&#039;s 12 year old daughter said you&#039;ve got no idea about biology&quot;. A string of questions, in front of the cameras, about her qualifications and &#039;scientific&#039; claims might shut her up. And if she wants my poo, she can have the results of my famous sprout curry with brown rice.

Any of you slim &amp; svelte scientists fancy shoving a pillow up your jumper and joining in ? If we could get one of us in each episode .........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This woman gets on my nerves. Not content with taking the pi$$, she takes the poo too.<br />
&#8220;As far as Iâ€™m concerned, because of the hard work I have done, Iâ€™ll continue to put PhD after my name; Iâ€™m entitled to use the word Dr as and when I choose.&#8221;. Well, I&#8217;ve worked hard for the last 20 years &#8211; unloading ships,in warehouses,in banks and insurance companies&#8230;.If I write a thesis on the Social Dynamics of the Fag Break, can I give myself a PhD?<br />
Anyway, I have a Plan (I think it justifies the capital letter) to take down her TV show. I&#8217;ve got a bit of a beer belly so I&#8217;m going to volunteer for her show. Oh, to face her on telly and say &#8220;Actually dear, that&#8217;s fennel not a leek&#8221;, or maybe &#8220;My friend&#8217;s 12 year old daughter said you&#8217;ve got no idea about biology&#8221;. A string of questions, in front of the cameras, about her qualifications and &#8217;scientific&#8217; claims might shut her up. And if she wants my poo, she can have the results of my famous sprout curry with brown rice.</p>
<p>Any of you slim &amp; svelte scientists fancy shoving a pillow up your jumper and joining in ? If we could get one of us in each episode &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HypnoSynthesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>HypnoSynthesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; i am waiting for the next blog entry to be â€œi would have got away with it if it wasnt for those pesky kidsâ€. 

Nice one.  How about, &quot;Drats!  You&#039;ve seen through my cunning disguise!&quot;

This section is par for the course with holistic nutrition.  However, I have always felt wary of the &quot;healing crisis&quot; notion.  Is it really true that feeling ill is an effect of &quot;de-toxification&quot;?  Symptoms like headaches and the runs don&#039;t sound like a &quot;healing crisis&quot; to me, more like withdrawal or irritation caused by taking dietary change to extremes or too fast for the body to adapt.  (Similar symptoms occur when people stop drinking coffee all at once, but not if they cut down gradually over a week or so.)  Isn&#039;t it more likely that this &quot;healing crisis&quot; could be avoided by introducing dietary changes more gradually?  If so, doesn&#039;t this suggest that McKeith&#039;s approach, and similar radical diet change, is known to potentially make people feel unecessarily ill?

&gt;&gt;  b)  I&#039;m suffering from headaches â€“ is this normal?
          Most people feel exceedingly well after just a few days or weeks on the Dr Gillian Lifestyle Plan.  But Gillian does talk about the possibility of a â€˜healing crisisâ€™ experienced by a few patients.  If there is a drastic change made quickly to the patientâ€™s lifestyle, it is not unexpected that certain unpleasant changes may take place, especially if the patient was suffering from toxicities. Headaches, spots, pimples, skin rashes, itching, lots of pooh or the runs just to name a few, are ways that the body may expel or deal with unwanted matter.    These unpleasant symptoms need not be feared; just notice them.   Unpleasant symptoms are rare and should not continue for more than a few days or a week or so.  Thereafter, the patient should experience improved and enhanced health and vibrancy. Nonetheless, always consult with your medical doctor or GP before embarking upon any nutritional programme and especially if you are experiencing any unpleasant symptoms.  

http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/about-faqnutrition.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; i am waiting for the next blog entry to be â€œi would have got away with it if it wasnt for those pesky kidsâ€. </p>
<p>Nice one.  How about, &#8220;Drats!  You&#8217;ve seen through my cunning disguise!&#8221;</p>
<p>This section is par for the course with holistic nutrition.  However, I have always felt wary of the &#8220;healing crisis&#8221; notion.  Is it really true that feeling ill is an effect of &#8220;de-toxification&#8221;?  Symptoms like headaches and the runs don&#8217;t sound like a &#8220;healing crisis&#8221; to me, more like withdrawal or irritation caused by taking dietary change to extremes or too fast for the body to adapt.  (Similar symptoms occur when people stop drinking coffee all at once, but not if they cut down gradually over a week or so.)  Isn&#8217;t it more likely that this &#8220;healing crisis&#8221; could be avoided by introducing dietary changes more gradually?  If so, doesn&#8217;t this suggest that McKeith&#8217;s approach, and similar radical diet change, is known to potentially make people feel unecessarily ill?</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;  b)  I&#8217;m suffering from headaches â€“ is this normal?<br />
          Most people feel exceedingly well after just a few days or weeks on the Dr Gillian Lifestyle Plan.  But Gillian does talk about the possibility of a â€˜healing crisisâ€™ experienced by a few patients.  If there is a drastic change made quickly to the patientâ€™s lifestyle, it is not unexpected that certain unpleasant changes may take place, especially if the patient was suffering from toxicities. Headaches, spots, pimples, skin rashes, itching, lots of pooh or the runs just to name a few, are ways that the body may expel or deal with unwanted matter.    These unpleasant symptoms need not be feared; just notice them.   Unpleasant symptoms are rare and should not continue for more than a few days or a week or so.  Thereafter, the patient should experience improved and enhanced health and vibrancy. Nonetheless, always consult with your medical doctor or GP before embarking upon any nutritional programme and especially if you are experiencing any unpleasant symptoms.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/about-faqnutrition.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.drgillianmckeith.com/about-faqnutrition.php</a></p>
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