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	<title>Comments on: Patrick Holford, solicits wikipedia changes. again. inevitable consequences</title>
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		<title>By: diudiu</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-30240</link>
		<dc:creator>diudiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-12062</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moving on from crisps, a user called Patrick James Holford has been revising Holford&#039;s wikipedia entry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Patrick_James_Holford

I&#039;ve posted on this here - http://stopholfordtalkingrubbish.blogspot.com/2007/03/patrick-holford-editing-his-wikipedia.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving on from crisps, a user called Patrick James Holford has been revising Holford&#8217;s wikipedia entry &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Patrick_James_Holford" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Patrick_James_Holford</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted on this here &#8211; <a href="http://stopholfordtalkingrubbish.blogspot.com/2007/03/patrick-holford-editing-his-wikipedia.html" rel="nofollow">stopholfordtalkingrubbish.blogspot.com/2007/03/patrick-holford-editing-his-wikipedia.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr Madvibe</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-11125</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Madvibe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œBut what has Gary Lineker got to do with it?â€

Didnâ€™t you know? Walkers crisps include lots of micro-nutrients, and supports the immune system!

Splendid. In that case, I must attribute my excellent state of health today to the two free packets of &quot;all new singing and dancing&quot; Walkers crisps they were handing out at Harrow tube staton yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œBut what has Gary Lineker got to do with it?â€</p>
<p>Didnâ€™t you know? Walkers crisps include lots of micro-nutrients, and supports the immune system!</p>
<p>Splendid. In that case, I must attribute my excellent state of health today to the two free packets of &#8220;all new singing and dancing&#8221; Walkers crisps they were handing out at Harrow tube staton yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: danfish</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10982</link>
		<dc:creator>danfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see TAPL&#039;s wiki entry is bang on:

She has been censured twice by the Advertising Standards Authority, most recently to prevent her from using the title Dr. on her products.[9][10][11]

Following this censure, Gillian McKeith has been further investigated by the Scottish Heritage Association requiring her to drop &quot;Mc&quot; from her name; Gillian Keith has been investigated by the European Fish Naming Standards Council, declaring that she has no gills; Ian Keith has been twice stung by advertising watchdogs forcing her to drop both the names Ian and Keith as they were misleading consumers into thinking she is a man. In a shocking twist, expert linguists declared that &quot; &quot; as she has come to be called, is non-existent, stating that as far as they are concerned if she doesn&#039;t have a name, she doesn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see TAPL&#8217;s wiki entry is bang on:</p>
<p>She has been censured twice by the Advertising Standards Authority, most recently to prevent her from using the title Dr. on her products.[9][10][11]</p>
<p>Following this censure, Gillian McKeith has been further investigated by the Scottish Heritage Association requiring her to drop &#8220;Mc&#8221; from her name; Gillian Keith has been investigated by the European Fish Naming Standards Council, declaring that she has no gills; Ian Keith has been twice stung by advertising watchdogs forcing her to drop both the names Ian and Keith as they were misleading consumers into thinking she is a man. In a shocking twist, expert linguists declared that &#8221; &#8221; as she has come to be called, is non-existent, stating that as far as they are concerned if she doesn&#8217;t have a name, she doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: outeast</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10974</link>
		<dc:creator>outeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to ask about the pic of Gary Lineker, too.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob O'H</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10781</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob O'H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But what has Gary Lineker got to do with it?&quot;

Didn&#039;t you know?  Walkers crisps include lots of micro-nutrients, and supports the immune system!

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But what has Gary Lineker got to do with it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you know?  Walkers crisps include lots of micro-nutrients, and supports the immune system!</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10776</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyway, another article on Holford - great.  The guy&#039;s going on a speaking tour of South Africa, then - just what they need with the HIV/AIDS/medication problem there.  Again, I can think of lots of things to call him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyway, another article on Holford &#8211; great.  The guy&#8217;s going on a speaking tour of South Africa, then &#8211; just what they need with the HIV/AIDS/medication problem there.  Again, I can think of lots of things to call him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10773</link>
		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think only research in the BMJ is free to access, and comment pieces are pay to view.  Which, to be fair, is a reasonable compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think only research in the BMJ is free to access, and comment pieces are pay to view.  Which, to be fair, is a reasonable compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Crowley</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10767</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nebbish - you don&#039;t have to save a copy of the response, it&#039;s part of the history of the article.  Click the &quot;history&quot; tag at the top and you&#039;ll find it.  Or note that Ben has cunningly linked directly to that version, knowing that the change wouldn&#039;t last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nebbish &#8211; you don&#8217;t have to save a copy of the response, it&#8217;s part of the history of the article.  Click the &#8220;history&#8221; tag at the top and you&#8217;ll find it.  Or note that Ben has cunningly linked directly to that version, knowing that the change wouldn&#8217;t last.</p>
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		<title>By: TimW</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10765</link>
		<dc:creator>TimW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ j, Re 6

Sure, there are administrators who could lock the article, but Holford says he wrote &quot;to the moderator to straighten out some facts&quot;.  This makes it sounds like there&#039;s a person who is responsible for the article and controls what goes into it and what gets left out, and Holford told them some key points that the moderator should bear in mind while carrying out this role.  Holford wrote to that person and didn&#039;t even get a reply, the moderator is obviously failing in their duty and/or is biased!  So then Holford invites his supporters to start editing the page.

It sounds like he thinks he&#039;s writing to an audience ignorant of the basic facts.  (Probably his favourite kind of audience.)  &quot;The moderator&quot; as such doesn&#039;t exist, he *might* mean an administrator who has taken action in the article before, or he could mean anything else at all.  Actually, as with every other wikipedia article, there is a discussion page (/&quot;Talk&quot;), that&#039;s where arguments about content are supposed to take place, and I can&#039;t see entries on there from anybody claiming to be Holford.  Perhaps there *are* entries on there by Holford, pretending to be somebody else.

So, what did he *actually* do, if anything?  We don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ j, Re 6</p>
<p>Sure, there are administrators who could lock the article, but Holford says he wrote &#8220;to the moderator to straighten out some facts&#8221;.  This makes it sounds like there&#8217;s a person who is responsible for the article and controls what goes into it and what gets left out, and Holford told them some key points that the moderator should bear in mind while carrying out this role.  Holford wrote to that person and didn&#8217;t even get a reply, the moderator is obviously failing in their duty and/or is biased!  So then Holford invites his supporters to start editing the page.</p>
<p>It sounds like he thinks he&#8217;s writing to an audience ignorant of the basic facts.  (Probably his favourite kind of audience.)  &#8220;The moderator&#8221; as such doesn&#8217;t exist, he *might* mean an administrator who has taken action in the article before, or he could mean anything else at all.  Actually, as with every other wikipedia article, there is a discussion page (/&#8221;Talk&#8221;), that&#8217;s where arguments about content are supposed to take place, and I can&#8217;t see entries on there from anybody claiming to be Holford.  Perhaps there *are* entries on there by Holford, pretending to be somebody else.</p>
<p>So, what did he *actually* do, if anything?  We don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Nebbish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nebbish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The long first person response on Wikipedia, posted by user Anaalberts according to the corresponding talk page is gone, as I predicted.  

Since I saved a copy, here are some quotes to remember it by:

&quot;When you tread a path that&#039;s not yet mainstream, people will often criticise you for it. This year has kicked off with a flurry of attacks on &#039;media nutritionists&#039;, vitamin C and HIV, food intolerance testing, supplements for children, and also the Food for the Brain schools campaign. We must be ruffling some conservative feathers to attract so much attention! For those of us who are committed to pursuing better health naturally and harmlessly, sometimes it&#039;s necessary to answer our critics and correct the misinformation they quote.

&quot;As a result, I&#039;d like to share my responses to several recent assaults in the press. I appreciate there&#039;s a lot of information to wade through here, but as these different cases have a similar theme, I thought I&#039;d deal with them all together. So let&#039;s start with my response to material written by a journalist called Dr Ben Goldacre.&quot;

[blah blah blah]

&quot;The reason that some spokespeople ignore and want suppression of anything other than RCTs (at least on nutritional issues) may be simply because RCTs cost so much money, and favour pill trials (very hard to do placebo trials on diet or exercise), that almost all are funded by the drug industry, thus perpetuating the unhealthy monopoly within medicine today.

&quot;But, of course, even when the RCTs do exist - as for multivitamins and children - somehow the evidence is ignored. The real hypocrisy is that newspapers are full of stories about drugs that can cure diseases &#039;coming next year&#039;, not based on RCTs.&quot;

&quot;Somebody once told me that &#039;expecting people to treat you well just because you are a good person is like expecting the bull not to charge just because you are a vegetarian&#039;. I guess Jerome Burne&#039;s and my book Food is Better Medicine Than Drugs - not one single fact in which has yet been disputed - is a red rag to the pro-drug bull. Ridicule and attack are to be expected in the dying throes of the old pharmaceutical model of treating disease, as it inevitably makes way for a more holistic approach with optimum nutrition at its core.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The long first person response on Wikipedia, posted by user Anaalberts according to the corresponding talk page is gone, as I predicted.  </p>
<p>Since I saved a copy, here are some quotes to remember it by:</p>
<p>&#8220;When you tread a path that&#8217;s not yet mainstream, people will often criticise you for it. This year has kicked off with a flurry of attacks on &#8216;media nutritionists&#8217;, vitamin C and HIV, food intolerance testing, supplements for children, and also the Food for the Brain schools campaign. We must be ruffling some conservative feathers to attract so much attention! For those of us who are committed to pursuing better health naturally and harmlessly, sometimes it&#8217;s necessary to answer our critics and correct the misinformation they quote.</p>
<p>&#8220;As a result, I&#8217;d like to share my responses to several recent assaults in the press. I appreciate there&#8217;s a lot of information to wade through here, but as these different cases have a similar theme, I thought I&#8217;d deal with them all together. So let&#8217;s start with my response to material written by a journalist called Dr Ben Goldacre.&#8221;</p>
<p>[blah blah blah]</p>
<p>&#8220;The reason that some spokespeople ignore and want suppression of anything other than RCTs (at least on nutritional issues) may be simply because RCTs cost so much money, and favour pill trials (very hard to do placebo trials on diet or exercise), that almost all are funded by the drug industry, thus perpetuating the unhealthy monopoly within medicine today.</p>
<p>&#8220;But, of course, even when the RCTs do exist &#8211; as for multivitamins and children &#8211; somehow the evidence is ignored. The real hypocrisy is that newspapers are full of stories about drugs that can cure diseases &#8216;coming next year&#8217;, not based on RCTs.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Somebody once told me that &#8216;expecting people to treat you well just because you are a good person is like expecting the bull not to charge just because you are a vegetarian&#8217;. I guess Jerome Burne&#8217;s and my book Food is Better Medicine Than Drugs &#8211; not one single fact in which has yet been disputed &#8211; is a red rag to the pro-drug bull. Ridicule and attack are to be expected in the dying throes of the old pharmaceutical model of treating disease, as it inevitably makes way for a more holistic approach with optimum nutrition at its core.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gadgeezer</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10761</link>
		<dc:creator>gadgeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does matter that Holford is advocating dubious tests while stating that they are &quot;sound science&quot;. It matters that he is encouraging people to ignore the work of scientists and professionals (who are either engaged in &#039;deception&#039; or &#039;haven&#039;t kept up to date&#039;) and &#039;take their power into their own hands&#039; when studies report that parents are restricting diets on the basis of their children&#039;s perceived food intolerances and those children are shorter. Other researchers go further and describe the consequences of an &#039;incorrect&#039; diet in childhood as &quot;dangerous&quot;.

http://breathspakids.blogspot.com/2007/02/why-igg-testing-for-food-intolerance-is.html

Don&#039;t French and Wiseman occasionally make it onto TV programmes as the token balance in yet another discussion of the paranormal? Isn&#039;t it about time that TV producers started inviting along dissenting opinions when media nutritionists are given promotional spots for their books or particularly egregious claims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does matter that Holford is advocating dubious tests while stating that they are &#8220;sound science&#8221;. It matters that he is encouraging people to ignore the work of scientists and professionals (who are either engaged in &#8216;deception&#8217; or &#8216;haven&#8217;t kept up to date&#8217;) and &#8216;take their power into their own hands&#8217; when studies report that parents are restricting diets on the basis of their children&#8217;s perceived food intolerances and those children are shorter. Other researchers go further and describe the consequences of an &#8216;incorrect&#8217; diet in childhood as &#8220;dangerous&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://breathspakids.blogspot.com/2007/02/why-igg-testing-for-food-intolerance-is.html" rel="nofollow">breathspakids.blogspot.com/2007/02/why-igg-testing-for-food-intolerance-is.html</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t French and Wiseman occasionally make it onto TV programmes as the token balance in yet another discussion of the paranormal? Isn&#8217;t it about time that TV producers started inviting along dissenting opinions when media nutritionists are given promotional spots for their books or particularly egregious claims?</p>
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		<title>By: dmanning</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10760</link>
		<dc:creator>dmanning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can access the bmj site and Im no-way connected with medicine. 

Anyone can edit wikipedia, just remember the dragnet rule -  &quot;just the facts, ma&#039;am&quot;.  Unsupported comments from either camp get removed pretty quickly. From the edits recently to various pages, Id guess alot of the editors do read this already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can access the bmj site and Im no-way connected with medicine. </p>
<p>Anyone can edit wikipedia, just remember the dragnet rule &#8211;  &#8220;just the facts, ma&#8217;am&#8221;.  Unsupported comments from either camp get removed pretty quickly. From the edits recently to various pages, Id guess alot of the editors do read this already.</p>
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		<title>By: jackpt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackpt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like Holford get on my nerves because the number of superficially good things they&#039;re involved with.  Eat your greens (as you&#039;ve pointed out) is good advice, but these people encourage fads because people will never get the life promised by the promotional material.  I think that&#039;s why a lot of it is successful, it never works to the degree that people stop paying them money.   Just another packet of nuts, or anti-oxidants, or omega-3, and you could shake off those blues, be detoxified, and have perfect bowel movements.  In the meantime any improvements in the new-ager&#039;s health is ascribed to the wrong things. The people peddling it are successful because they either inadvertently or deliberately exploit ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like Holford get on my nerves because the number of superficially good things they&#8217;re involved with.  Eat your greens (as you&#8217;ve pointed out) is good advice, but these people encourage fads because people will never get the life promised by the promotional material.  I think that&#8217;s why a lot of it is successful, it never works to the degree that people stop paying them money.   Just another packet of nuts, or anti-oxidants, or omega-3, and you could shake off those blues, be detoxified, and have perfect bowel movements.  In the meantime any improvements in the new-ager&#8217;s health is ascribed to the wrong things. The people peddling it are successful because they either inadvertently or deliberately exploit ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
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		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why not, Ben? Might stop others going down the same route - or at least to think about it more. And stop the â€˜well, he might have made a mistake about AIDS, but heâ€™s not so bad and gives useful adviceâ€™ thoughts.

Thatâ€™s a serious â€˜why not?â€™ too - interested. &quot;

Seconded - even if you don&#039;t want to use your Guardian column to write about Holford, it&#039;ll take no time at all to post the info on your blog ;)  The info&#039;s then going to be available to and reprodicible by all.  It might help stop some folk being fooled by Holford, and make others think twice about a similar career path.

Holford&#039;s currently selling - and using his ION, and those trained there, to sell - quack treatments to a lot of people.  Most of this is probably just handing out placebos for self-limiting conditions, but some of his advice (e.g. on treatment of serious mental health problems) could lead to serious damage to &#039;patients&#039;.
  Holford also recommends ineffective, dangerous &#039;naturopathic&#039; treatments like chelation.  Also, by advocating vit C over AZT, Holford&#039;s helping to give cover to those who are denying effective treatment to millions of relatively poor people with HIV/AIDs.  I really can&#039;t see any reason to hold back on the bloke, assuming the info you&#039;ve got isn&#039;t libellous...

Sorry for the rant - tbh, ethical issues aside, something about Holford just really pisses me off ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why not, Ben? Might stop others going down the same route &#8211; or at least to think about it more. And stop the â€˜well, he might have made a mistake about AIDS, but heâ€™s not so bad and gives useful adviceâ€™ thoughts.</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s a serious â€˜why not?â€™ too &#8211; interested. &#8221;</p>
<p>Seconded &#8211; even if you don&#8217;t want to use your Guardian column to write about Holford, it&#8217;ll take no time at all to post the info on your blog <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   The info&#8217;s then going to be available to and reprodicible by all.  It might help stop some folk being fooled by Holford, and make others think twice about a similar career path.</p>
<p>Holford&#8217;s currently selling &#8211; and using his ION, and those trained there, to sell &#8211; quack treatments to a lot of people.  Most of this is probably just handing out placebos for self-limiting conditions, but some of his advice (e.g. on treatment of serious mental health problems) could lead to serious damage to &#8216;patients&#8217;.<br />
  Holford also recommends ineffective, dangerous &#8216;naturopathic&#8217; treatments like chelation.  Also, by advocating vit C over AZT, Holford&#8217;s helping to give cover to those who are denying effective treatment to millions of relatively poor people with HIV/AIDs.  I really can&#8217;t see any reason to hold back on the bloke, assuming the info you&#8217;ve got isn&#8217;t libellous&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry for the rant &#8211; tbh, ethical issues aside, something about Holford just really pisses me off <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: imagineyoung</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/patrick-holford-wikipedia-page-vandalised-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10754</link>
		<dc:creator>imagineyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, wasn&#039;t suggesting you had those thoughts :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, wasn&#8217;t suggesting you had those thoughts <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, i certainly dont think he gives useful advice! interesting question. more interesting things to write about i guess. i&#039;m only really going at this because of his rather foolish behaviour over the AIDS thing. such a stupid thing to be stupid about. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, i certainly dont think he gives useful advice! interesting question. more interesting things to write about i guess. i&#8217;m only really going at this because of his rather foolish behaviour over the AIDS thing. such a stupid thing to be stupid about.</p>
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		<title>By: imagineyoung</title>
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		<dc:creator>imagineyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; iâ€™ve got a plenty more but i really donâ€™t want to go to town on this guy.&quot;

Why not, Ben? Might stop others going down the same route - or at least to think about it more. And stop the &#039;well, he might have made a mistake about AIDS, but he&#039;s not so bad and gives useful advice&#039;  thoughts.

That&#039;s a serious &#039;why not?&#039; too - interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; iâ€™ve got a plenty more but i really donâ€™t want to go to town on this guy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why not, Ben? Might stop others going down the same route &#8211; or at least to think about it more. And stop the &#8216;well, he might have made a mistake about AIDS, but he&#8217;s not so bad and gives useful advice&#8217;  thoughts.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a serious &#8216;why not?&#8217; too &#8211; interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really? god, that&#039;s a bit five minutes ago of the bmj. what a drag. i can get in with my athens login. i can also get to the rabid responses without logging in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really? god, that&#8217;s a bit five minutes ago of the bmj. what a drag. i can get in with my athens login. i can also get to the rabid responses without logging in.</p>
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		<title>By: Mithent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mithent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, the BMJ is not free access.. I can&#039;t even access your article using Athens (though using an IP within my university&#039;s domain works, I later found).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, the BMJ is not free access.. I can&#8217;t even access your article using Athens (though using an IP within my university&#8217;s domain works, I later found).</p>
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