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		<title>By: diudiu</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-30241</link>
		<dc:creator>diudiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Munin</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12807</link>
		<dc:creator>Munin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 09:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Connor at the Independent has picked up the Friis-Christensen story.
http://news.independent.co.uk/media/article2521677.ece

&quot;After 1985 we don&#039;t see any rise or shortening of the solar cycles compared to what we saw in the temperature [record],&quot; Dr Friiss-Christensen said.

The article doesn&#039;t record Durkin&#039;s response to this point, but he does admit to an error in the temperature graph.

&quot;Thank you for highlighting the error on the 400-year graph. It is an annoying mistake which all of us missed and is being fixed for all future transmissions of the film. It doesn&#039;t alter our argument,&quot; Mr Durkin said.

The correction doesn&#039;t make it onto the first cut of the DVD.

Elsewhere, Durkin has admitted that the claim made in the documentary that volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans is also false (corrected on the DVD).

The admission appears in a subscription-only article in the Scotsman, conveniently available for free over here (though possibly not for long).
http://www.citizens1st.com/story.asp?idstr=105983100</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Connor at the Independent has picked up the Friis-Christensen story.<br />
<a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/media/article2521677.ece" rel="nofollow">news.independent.co.uk/media/article2521677.ece</a></p>
<p>&#8220;After 1985 we don&#8217;t see any rise or shortening of the solar cycles compared to what we saw in the temperature [record],&#8221; Dr Friiss-Christensen said.</p>
<p>The article doesn&#8217;t record Durkin&#8217;s response to this point, but he does admit to an error in the temperature graph.</p>
<p>&#8220;Thank you for highlighting the error on the 400-year graph. It is an annoying mistake which all of us missed and is being fixed for all future transmissions of the film. It doesn&#8217;t alter our argument,&#8221; Mr Durkin said.</p>
<p>The correction doesn&#8217;t make it onto the first cut of the DVD.</p>
<p>Elsewhere, Durkin has admitted that the claim made in the documentary that volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans is also false (corrected on the DVD).</p>
<p>The admission appears in a subscription-only article in the Scotsman, conveniently available for free over here (though possibly not for long).<br />
<a href="http://www.citizens1st.com/story.asp?idstr=105983100" rel="nofollow">www.citizens1st.com/story.asp?idstr=105983100</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12444</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done JohnA - you are by far the most bonkers climate denialist  here yet.

If you after reading these two hundred entries you have still have no idea of what Durkin is accused of you are rather spectacularly clueless I&#039;m afraid.

If anyone is at all interested why your comments are completely, absolutely, demonstrably wrong they could consider what some actual climate scientists have to say about the stock myths peddled by denialists like yourself:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=11

If you want to dispute this JohnA - perhaps you&#039;d like to come over to the forum - the link is above...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done JohnA &#8211; you are by far the most bonkers climate denialist  here yet.</p>
<p>If you after reading these two hundred entries you have still have no idea of what Durkin is accused of you are rather spectacularly clueless I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>If anyone is at all interested why your comments are completely, absolutely, demonstrably wrong they could consider what some actual climate scientists have to say about the stock myths peddled by denialists like yourself:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=11" rel="nofollow">www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=11</a></p>
<p>If you want to dispute this JohnA &#8211; perhaps you&#8217;d like to come over to the forum &#8211; the link is above&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JohnA</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12443</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the duped appear to be the commentors  and the author of this blog. The global temperature scale is produced in secret by just three people and conflicts with the satellite record, which shows a very mild warming since 1979 and none at all since 1998.

The bottom two records are the climate change records produced in the IPCC Second AR and the &quot;Hockey Stick&quot; produced in the TAR. The Hockey Stick has been thoroughly debunked as &quot;bad science&quot; and bad statistics by multiple independent investigators. There are not a few scientists who claim that the &quot;Hockey Stick&quot; may well be a scientific fraud. It certainly has no legitimacy as a reconstruction of past climate when key statistical metrics show that it has no statistical significance.

Personally  I regard the &quot;Hockey Stick&quot; as a key indicator of &quot;Real Climate Change Denial&quot; since its purpose appears to be to reduce natural climate change to a minimum while purporting to show a climate recketing out of control since the end of the 19th Century - it is a false picture of past climate but a totem for environmentalists.

So I have no idea what Durkin is meant to be accused of</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the duped appear to be the commentors  and the author of this blog. The global temperature scale is produced in secret by just three people and conflicts with the satellite record, which shows a very mild warming since 1979 and none at all since 1998.</p>
<p>The bottom two records are the climate change records produced in the IPCC Second AR and the &#8220;Hockey Stick&#8221; produced in the TAR. The Hockey Stick has been thoroughly debunked as &#8220;bad science&#8221; and bad statistics by multiple independent investigators. There are not a few scientists who claim that the &#8220;Hockey Stick&#8221; may well be a scientific fraud. It certainly has no legitimacy as a reconstruction of past climate when key statistical metrics show that it has no statistical significance.</p>
<p>Personally  I regard the &#8220;Hockey Stick&#8221; as a key indicator of &#8220;Real Climate Change Denial&#8221; since its purpose appears to be to reduce natural climate change to a minimum while purporting to show a climate recketing out of control since the end of the 19th Century &#8211; it is a false picture of past climate but a totem for environmentalists.</p>
<p>So I have no idea what Durkin is meant to be accused of</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12413</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that GMcP - funny to see Hamish ducking and diving...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that GMcP &#8211; funny to see Hamish ducking and diving&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GMcP</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12401</link>
		<dc:creator>GMcP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamish Mykura, Head of History, Science and Religion on Channel 4, appeared on the Today programme a couple of weeks ago. He claimed that TGGWS was commissioned as part of â€œa season of opinionated polemical films about global warmingâ€, including George Monbiot&#039;s film Greenwash.

George Monbiot takes exception to this.
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2007/04/01/correspondence-with-hamish-mykura/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamish Mykura, Head of History, Science and Religion on Channel 4, appeared on the Today programme a couple of weeks ago. He claimed that TGGWS was commissioned as part of â€œa season of opinionated polemical films about global warmingâ€, including George Monbiot&#8217;s film Greenwash.</p>
<p>George Monbiot takes exception to this.<br />
<a href="http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2007/04/01/correspondence-with-hamish-mykura/" rel="nofollow">www.monbiot.com/archives/2007/04/01/correspondence-with-hamish-mykura/</a></p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12381</link>
		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the great Lord Russell once wrote, &quot;lack of facts promote an argument&quot;.
Carry on chaps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the great Lord Russell once wrote, &#8220;lack of facts promote an argument&#8221;.<br />
Carry on chaps!</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12356</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come over to Ben&#039;s forum to discus it then ST - what are you afraid of?

http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2024&amp;start=210</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come over to Ben&#8217;s forum to discus it then ST &#8211; what are you afraid of?</p>
<p><a href="http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2024&#038;start=210" rel="nofollow">badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2024&#038;start=210</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12354</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ST you do realise you give the game away when you use big words like 

&quot;weltanschauung&quot;?

especially as it&#039;s one your hero Comrade Furedi likes to use when he&#039;s attacking Environmentalists as &#039;religiously motivated&#039;.

http://www.novo-magazin.de/86/novo8612.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ST you do realise you give the game away when you use big words like </p>
<p>&#8220;weltanschauung&#8221;?</p>
<p>especially as it&#8217;s one your hero Comrade Furedi likes to use when he&#8217;s attacking Environmentalists as &#8216;religiously motivated&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.novo-magazin.de/86/novo8612.htm" rel="nofollow">www.novo-magazin.de/86/novo8612.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12353</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still hiding then ST??

http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2024&amp;start=210</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still hiding then ST??</p>
<p><a href="http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2024&#038;start=210" rel="nofollow">badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2024&#038;start=210</a></p>
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		<title>By: EssTee</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12351</link>
		<dc:creator>EssTee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as Dean thinks that deferring the scientific argument by hiding behind the &quot;consensus&quot; counts as making a scientific argument, he thinks copying and pasting from Monbiot articles, and sourcewatch and greenpeace webpages counts as &quot;politics&quot;.

Dean constantly defers the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as Dean thinks that deferring the scientific argument by hiding behind the &#8220;consensus&#8221; counts as making a scientific argument, he thinks copying and pasting from Monbiot articles, and sourcewatch and greenpeace webpages counts as &#8220;politics&#8221;.</p>
<p>Dean constantly defers the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12350</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey ST - where have you been hiding?

or are the questions about your politics too embarrassing for you?

Incidentally there are a number of very reasonable questions others have for you on Ben&#039;s forum.

I&#039;m assuming your tactic is to:


1. hide...




See you at:

http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2024&amp;start=210

if you have a better explanation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey ST &#8211; where have you been hiding?</p>
<p>or are the questions about your politics too embarrassing for you?</p>
<p>Incidentally there are a number of very reasonable questions others have for you on Ben&#8217;s forum.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming your tactic is to:</p>
<p>1. hide&#8230;</p>
<p>See you at:</p>
<p><a href="http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2024&#038;start=210" rel="nofollow">badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2024&#038;start=210</a></p>
<p>if you have a better explanation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12345</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Another fine example of Deano jumping to unjustifiable conclusions. I voted Lib Dem last time round and I am not (and never have been) a Marxist or a Trotskyite.&quot;

I&#039;m happy to take your word for it mikep - although you are a bit of an oddball - most people that push the denialist viewpoint are from the extreme left or right. Durkin is a fine example as a member of the &#039;Living Marxism&#039; who pushes an extreme right &#039;Libertarian&#039; agenda on the potty theory that this will hasten the demise of capitalism. You may wish to ignore this on the basis that you want to be fair to the chap - but he demonstrably distorts scientific data, and the words of scientists to make his point, think you&#039;re being more than a little naive - I don&#039;t believe that Durkin deserves the &#039;benefit of the doubt&#039; ( but then you Lib Dems have alway been a bit  soft on serial offenders).

But I wouldn&#039;t want to discourage you from voting Lib-Dem - they were the first mainstream party to accept the reality of climate change - and constantly press for the most radical measures to tackle it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Another fine example of Deano jumping to unjustifiable conclusions. I voted Lib Dem last time round and I am not (and never have been) a Marxist or a Trotskyite.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to take your word for it mikep &#8211; although you are a bit of an oddball &#8211; most people that push the denialist viewpoint are from the extreme left or right. Durkin is a fine example as a member of the &#8216;Living Marxism&#8217; who pushes an extreme right &#8216;Libertarian&#8217; agenda on the potty theory that this will hasten the demise of capitalism. You may wish to ignore this on the basis that you want to be fair to the chap &#8211; but he demonstrably distorts scientific data, and the words of scientists to make his point, think you&#8217;re being more than a little naive &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe that Durkin deserves the &#8216;benefit of the doubt&#8217; ( but then you Lib Dems have alway been a bit  soft on serial offenders).</p>
<p>But I wouldn&#8217;t want to discourage you from voting Lib-Dem &#8211; they were the first mainstream party to accept the reality of climate change &#8211; and constantly press for the most radical measures to tackle it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mikep</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12330</link>
		<dc:creator>mikep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another fine example of Deano jumping to unjustifiable conclusions.  I voted Lib Dem last time round and I am not (and never have been) a Marxist or a Trotskyite.  You can never resist the chance of a cheap sneer can you Deano.  Stick to issues and people might take you seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fine example of Deano jumping to unjustifiable conclusions.  I voted Lib Dem last time round and I am not (and never have been) a Marxist or a Trotskyite.  You can never resist the chance of a cheap sneer can you Deano.  Stick to issues and people might take you seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: mikep</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12314</link>
		<dc:creator>mikep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deano you are the one who argues like a astrologer.  Put some content in your posts and we might have a discussion.  Perhaps we might start with your discussion of the 1974 paper by Granger and Newbold on spurious regression.  Given your apparent omniscience and the paper&#039;s age I am sure you have read it and can explain why Macintyre has got it wrong.  For the record I think  astrology, homoeopathy, intelligent design and crop circles are nonsense and I have never voted conservative and I think George Bush&#039;s foreign policy is disastrous.  I&#039;m a not quite classic Guardian reader.  And what category does Edward Wegman, who said that all of Macintyre and Mckitrick criticisms were valid, fit into?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deano you are the one who argues like a astrologer.  Put some content in your posts and we might have a discussion.  Perhaps we might start with your discussion of the 1974 paper by Granger and Newbold on spurious regression.  Given your apparent omniscience and the paper&#8217;s age I am sure you have read it and can explain why Macintyre has got it wrong.  For the record I think  astrology, homoeopathy, intelligent design and crop circles are nonsense and I have never voted conservative and I think George Bush&#8217;s foreign policy is disastrous.  I&#8217;m a not quite classic Guardian reader.  And what category does Edward Wegman, who said that all of Macintyre and Mckitrick criticisms were valid, fit into?</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12224</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you meant &#039;bin man&#039; ST.

I just didn&#039;t want mikep to labour under the misapprehension that McIntyre was a &#039;scientist&#039; ST - you&#039;re usually get hot under the collar about that sort of thing - I&#039;m surprised I don&#039;t have your support in this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you meant &#8216;bin man&#8217; ST.</p>
<p>I just didn&#8217;t want mikep to labour under the misapprehension that McIntyre was a &#8216;scientist&#8217; ST &#8211; you&#8217;re usually get hot under the collar about that sort of thing &#8211; I&#8217;m surprised I don&#8217;t have your support in this?</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12222</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes - Climate audit by Steve McIntyre

&quot;Stephen McIntyre is, according to the Wall Street Journal, a &quot;semiretired Toronto minerals consultant&quot; who has spent &quot;two years and about $5,000 of his own money trying to double-check the influential graphic&quot; known as the &quot;hockey stick&quot; that illustrates a reconstruction of average surface temperatures in the Northern hemisphere, created by University of Virginia climatologist Michael Mann.&quot;

http://info-pollution.com/mandm.htm

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=8

http://mustelid.blogspot.com/2005/02/trying-to-create-mountains.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes &#8211; Climate audit by Steve McIntyre</p>
<p>&#8220;Stephen McIntyre is, according to the Wall Street Journal, a &#8220;semiretired Toronto minerals consultant&#8221; who has spent &#8220;two years and about $5,000 of his own money trying to double-check the influential graphic&#8221; known as the &#8220;hockey stick&#8221; that illustrates a reconstruction of average surface temperatures in the Northern hemisphere, created by University of Virginia climatologist Michael Mann.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://info-pollution.com/mandm.htm" rel="nofollow">info-pollution.com/mandm.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=8" rel="nofollow">www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=8</a></p>
<p><a href="http://mustelid.blogspot.com/2005/02/trying-to-create-mountains.html" rel="nofollow">mustelid.blogspot.com/2005/02/trying-to-create-mountains.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: GMcP</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12207</link>
		<dc:creator>GMcP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 01:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikep: You&#039;ve obviously done a fair bit of research into this. Can you give an example of a global temperature reconstruction for the last few hundred years which you think gets pretty close to the mark? 

You don&#039;t have to give it unconditional support; I&#039;m just looking for an example where you think the researchers have taken broadly the right approach, and where you have some confidence in their results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikep: You&#8217;ve obviously done a fair bit of research into this. Can you give an example of a global temperature reconstruction for the last few hundred years which you think gets pretty close to the mark? </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to give it unconditional support; I&#8217;m just looking for an example where you think the researchers have taken broadly the right approach, and where you have some confidence in their results.</p>
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		<title>By: mikep</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12200</link>
		<dc:creator>mikep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I promised a discussion of the other multi-proxy reconstructions. Obviously it is impossible to be exhaustive but people can get the flavour here

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=967#more-967

Note in particular how these three studies all use the bristlecone pine series which are the subject of controversy.

&quot;Hereâ€™s a quick summary of the overlap of proxies in three widely publicized â€œindependentâ€ 2006 studies. The number of proxies are all small (Juckes -18; Osborn - 14; Hegerl - 12). All three use multiple bristlecone/foxtail chronologies: Juckes 4; OSborn 2; Hegerl 2.&quot;
  
Follow the links on the left to see plenty of discussion of the other reconstructions which are claimed to be independent.  

I am not going to waste any more of my time trying to talk  to  Deano and Liverpool Miss, but I may respond if someone puts forward a favoured reconstruction for discussion as the definitive re-construction, or even one which avoids most of the pitfalls we know about already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I promised a discussion of the other multi-proxy reconstructions. Obviously it is impossible to be exhaustive but people can get the flavour here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=967#more-967" rel="nofollow">www.climateaudit.org/?p=967#more-967</a></p>
<p>Note in particular how these three studies all use the bristlecone pine series which are the subject of controversy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hereâ€™s a quick summary of the overlap of proxies in three widely publicized â€œindependentâ€ 2006 studies. The number of proxies are all small (Juckes -18; Osborn &#8211; 14; Hegerl &#8211; 12). All three use multiple bristlecone/foxtail chronologies: Juckes 4; OSborn 2; Hegerl 2.&#8221;</p>
<p>Follow the links on the left to see plenty of discussion of the other reconstructions which are claimed to be independent.  </p>
<p>I am not going to waste any more of my time trying to talk  to  Deano and Liverpool Miss, but I may respond if someone puts forward a favoured reconstruction for discussion as the definitive re-construction, or even one which avoids most of the pitfalls we know about already.</p>
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		<title>By: mikep</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/credit-where-its-due/comment-page-4/#comment-12197</link>
		<dc:creator>mikep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100 we have actual temperatures.  Not sure really about any of the multi-proxy studies, but I think it&#039;s virtually certain that it is now warmer than it has been for 400 years, because there are quite a lot of proxies and the message is fairly consistent.  Beyond that the proxies are few and their interpretation difficult. 500 is too far for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100 we have actual temperatures.  Not sure really about any of the multi-proxy studies, but I think it&#8217;s virtually certain that it is now warmer than it has been for 400 years, because there are quite a lot of proxies and the message is fairly consistent.  Beyond that the proxies are few and their interpretation difficult. 500 is too far for me.</p>
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