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		<title>By: diudiu</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-30260</link>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re psychology experiments, it&#039;s seemed to me that the trick is to make the experiment not look like a test of what you&#039;re testing.  Maybe not look like a scientific psychology test at all.  Channel 4, I think, held a seance.  (To get in touch with their credibility as science journalists?)  or rather they showed the programme, I think they don&#039;t make many (any?)

And I recall taking and then self-scoring a reasonably respectable kind of psych test and figuring out the scoring -  several questions counted zero and were merely decorative or distracting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re psychology experiments, it&#8217;s seemed to me that the trick is to make the experiment not look like a test of what you&#8217;re testing.  Maybe not look like a scientific psychology test at all.  Channel 4, I think, held a seance.  (To get in touch with their credibility as science journalists?)  or rather they showed the programme, I think they don&#8217;t make many (any?)</p>
<p>And I recall taking and then self-scoring a reasonably respectable kind of psych test and figuring out the scoring &#8211;  several questions counted zero and were merely decorative or distracting.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11485</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking about experiments, I thought some of you scientists might be interested in this:

www.planet-science.com/scicast/

It&#039;s a competition to make a two minute film of a science experiment. Open to both schoolkids and professional working scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about experiments, I thought some of you scientists might be interested in this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.planet-science.com/scicast/" rel="nofollow">www.planet-science.com/scicast/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a competition to make a two minute film of a science experiment. Open to both schoolkids and professional working scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11478</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the trouble with the ghost experiment is, post-milgram...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

... everybody, including the subjects, who often end up being university students, will suspect that psychology experiments are a put up job.

if i was a subject and someone mentioned a ghost, i&#039;d definitely know something was up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the trouble with the ghost experiment is, post-milgram&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment</a></p>
<p>&#8230; everybody, including the subjects, who often end up being university students, will suspect that psychology experiments are a put up job.</p>
<p>if i was a subject and someone mentioned a ghost, i&#8217;d definitely know something was up.</p>
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		<title>By: manigen</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11477</link>
		<dc:creator>manigen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re 115

I really want to sit that guy down and explain to him in careful, measured tones why he&#039;s wrong.

I think I&#039;d start by pointing out that, if he wants to, he can regard the sun as moving round the earth and science would not object. Not one little bit. I&#039;d give him a whistle-stop tour of relativity, including all those classic examples like falling lifts and passing trains. I&#039;d explain that if he wants to define a rotating frame of reference in which, to at least a first approximation, the earth is stationary, then he should feel free. He&#039;ll find that the maths works out the same, even if it is trickier to solve.

Because I am a very calm and rational person, I would not attempt to beat the knowledge into him by battering him about the head with a copy of the Principia. Honestly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 115</p>
<p>I really want to sit that guy down and explain to him in careful, measured tones why he&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;d start by pointing out that, if he wants to, he can regard the sun as moving round the earth and science would not object. Not one little bit. I&#8217;d give him a whistle-stop tour of relativity, including all those classic examples like falling lifts and passing trains. I&#8217;d explain that if he wants to define a rotating frame of reference in which, to at least a first approximation, the earth is stationary, then he should feel free. He&#8217;ll find that the maths works out the same, even if it is trickier to solve.</p>
<p>Because I am a very calm and rational person, I would not attempt to beat the knowledge into him by battering him about the head with a copy of the Principia. Honestly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambrielle</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11474</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambrielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the links Ben.

&#039;Those scientists, with all their facts and stuff&#039;...
All us scientists are mistaken... we forgot to go back to the &#039;original text&#039;!
I really can&#039;t wait to see what else this guy has to say about the earth not moving, those pesky dinosaurs... and all the other &#039;science&#039; in the bible.

And I love the ghost experiment! Damn I wish I could do something interesting like that rather than my usual experiments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the links Ben.</p>
<p>&#8216;Those scientists, with all their facts and stuff&#8217;&#8230;<br />
All us scientists are mistaken&#8230; we forgot to go back to the &#8216;original text&#8217;!<br />
I really can&#8217;t wait to see what else this guy has to say about the earth not moving, those pesky dinosaurs&#8230; and all the other &#8216;science&#8217; in the bible.</p>
<p>And I love the ghost experiment! Damn I wish I could do something interesting like that rather than my usual experiments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11473</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To a linguist â€™semanticsâ€™ is not derogatory, itâ€™s the study of meaning, and Iâ€™m quite happy to debate what Free Will means. I donâ€™t think youâ€™ve disagreed with the definition of free will being about choice, and it really doesnâ€™t matter if that choice is conscious or unconscious, it is still my choice ie what I would do in the circumstances given my genes and personal history (nature and nurture).&quot;

I agree with all of that. I certainly don&#039;t think semantics is derogatory. I was just making sure we were on the same page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To a linguist â€™semanticsâ€™ is not derogatory, itâ€™s the study of meaning, and Iâ€™m quite happy to debate what Free Will means. I donâ€™t think youâ€™ve disagreed with the definition of free will being about choice, and it really doesnâ€™t matter if that choice is conscious or unconscious, it is still my choice ie what I would do in the circumstances given my genes and personal history (nature and nurture).&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with all of that. I certainly don&#8217;t think semantics is derogatory. I was just making sure we were on the same page.</p>
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		<title>By: ToeKnee</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11472</link>
		<dc:creator>ToeKnee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway I&#039;ve decided to become a diagnostic as I&#039;m not sure if there aren&#039;t two gods.</description>
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		<title>By: jackpt</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11470</link>
		<dc:creator>jackpt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was pretty stupid reply from me anyway, because one doesn&#039;t  imply  the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was pretty stupid reply from me anyway, because one doesn&#8217;t  imply  the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11469</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it was just a selfish excuse for posting a link to a study showing ghosts make people behave more honestly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was just a selfish excuse for posting a link to a study showing ghosts make people behave more honestly.</p>
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		<title>By: jackpt</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11468</link>
		<dc:creator>jackpt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;well religion has a valuable prosocial role too&lt;/i&gt;

In which case you&#039;d expect atheists to be selfish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>well religion has a valuable prosocial role too</i></p>
<p>In which case you&#8217;d expect atheists to be selfish.</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
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		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... religion has a valuable prosocial role too&quot;

In other words it absolves people from any personal responsibility?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; religion has a valuable prosocial role too&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words it absolves people from any personal responsibility?</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11466</link>
		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;well religion has a valuable prosocial role too&quot;

In other words it absolves people from any personal responsibility?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;well religion has a valuable prosocial role too&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words it absolves people from any personal responsibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11465</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well religion has a valuable prosocial role too

http://scienceblogs.com/mixingmemory/2007/02/ghosts.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well religion has a valuable prosocial role too</p>
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		<title>By: ToeKnee</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11463</link>
		<dc:creator>ToeKnee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let me get this straight.  If I suck up to God for the rest of my life I can look forward to an enternity with numpties like those on GodTube?  May the fires of hell await me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me get this straight.  If I suck up to God for the rest of my life I can look forward to an enternity with numpties like those on GodTube?  May the fires of hell await me.</p>
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		<title>By: SWatts</title>
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		<dc:creator>SWatts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok - i havnt read every post here - theres quite a few but thought i&#039;d share a bit about where i&#039;m coming from and what i thought of the film.

I&#039;m a Christian - evangelical, charasmatic, i guess fundamental if you take the proper meaning of the word (i believe in the fundamentals of christianity or watever). I believe in spiritual gifts - like speaking in tongues like that little girl does and all that sort of stuff. I was brought up in a christian home - my dad is a pastor! I do alot of kids work - i&#039;m studying education and uni and do/hav done loooads of work with kids in a christian sense.
Why am i telling you this?
Cos despite all that i didnt like this film. In many ways i dont want to judge from a film but seeing stuff like that its hard not to. That is not christianity. Those kids were not filled with the spirit - they were filled with fear and indoctrination! Faking spirituality isn&#039;t hard but anyone who has any spiritual discernment - ie anyone who has a living active relationship with Jesus - and wisdom could see a mile off that actually alot of that is not of God and is definitly pushing the borders of spiritual abuse. I find it heartbreaking that there is spiritual abuse in the Worldwide Church today but i wouldn&#039;t hesitate to confirm that there is - i&#039;ve experienced it myself!
So basically i just want to defend Christianity - its not about crazy people brainwashing kids and basically just getting people in a frenzy! Its about having a real relationship with Jesus Christ -and having that relationship is just soo amazing and wonderful and lifechanging! It is not about fear and guilt and condemnation but about love and freedom and true life! 
And as a complete aside - i thought the Applev Mac things on the God Tube thing were pretty ace too!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8211; i havnt read every post here &#8211; theres quite a few but thought i&#8217;d share a bit about where i&#8217;m coming from and what i thought of the film.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Christian &#8211; evangelical, charasmatic, i guess fundamental if you take the proper meaning of the word (i believe in the fundamentals of christianity or watever). I believe in spiritual gifts &#8211; like speaking in tongues like that little girl does and all that sort of stuff. I was brought up in a christian home &#8211; my dad is a pastor! I do alot of kids work &#8211; i&#8217;m studying education and uni and do/hav done loooads of work with kids in a christian sense.<br />
Why am i telling you this?<br />
Cos despite all that i didnt like this film. In many ways i dont want to judge from a film but seeing stuff like that its hard not to. That is not christianity. Those kids were not filled with the spirit &#8211; they were filled with fear and indoctrination! Faking spirituality isn&#8217;t hard but anyone who has any spiritual discernment &#8211; ie anyone who has a living active relationship with Jesus &#8211; and wisdom could see a mile off that actually alot of that is not of God and is definitly pushing the borders of spiritual abuse. I find it heartbreaking that there is spiritual abuse in the Worldwide Church today but i wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to confirm that there is &#8211; i&#8217;ve experienced it myself!<br />
So basically i just want to defend Christianity &#8211; its not about crazy people brainwashing kids and basically just getting people in a frenzy! Its about having a real relationship with Jesus Christ -and having that relationship is just soo amazing and wonderful and lifechanging! It is not about fear and guilt and condemnation but about love and freedom and true life!<br />
And as a complete aside &#8211; i thought the Applev Mac things on the God Tube thing were pretty ace too!!</p>
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		<title>By: manigen</title>
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		<dc:creator>manigen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 115

Yeah, scientists are bad, trying to distract with all their facts.

Think about it - how do we know the earth goes around the sun? Yeah! Evangelise brothers! And sisters! And people of indeterminant gender!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 115</p>
<p>Yeah, scientists are bad, trying to distract with all their facts.</p>
<p>Think about it &#8211; how do we know the earth goes around the sun? Yeah! Evangelise brothers! And sisters! And people of indeterminant gender!</p>
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		<title>By: DomShields</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11460</link>
		<dc:creator>DomShields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant ! and people say Americans don&#039;t do irony, cop &quot;The Atheist&#039;s Nightmare&quot;

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypp5wx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant ! and people say Americans don&#8217;t do irony, cop &#8220;The Atheist&#8217;s Nightmare&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypp5wx" rel="nofollow">preview.tinyurl.com/ypp5wx</a></p>
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		<title>By: jackpt</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11457</link>
		<dc:creator>jackpt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 20:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from fundamentally disagreeing with almost all of it, the Apple vs. Mac parodies on the God Tube favourites page are better than the average YouTube parodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from fundamentally disagreeing with almost all of it, the Apple vs. Mac parodies on the God Tube favourites page are better than the average YouTube parodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/wacko-jesus-camp-footage/comment-page-3/#comment-11456</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>natural selection in action


        
        
		



http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=893487bd98fa830fa641</description>
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