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	<title>Comments on: BBC Panorama on WiFi &#8211; Updated with response from Panorama presenter Paul Kenyon</title>
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		<title>By: grumpy bloke</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-34124</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpy bloke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to agree that Panorama has been completely dumbed down (any link to difficulty of GCSEs ?). I am probably wrong but, the power output of a wi fi transmitter will only vary if it is using amplitude modulation (QAM). If the wi fi protocol is using PSK modulation then the power output remains constant. I also believe that the transmitters are continuously transmitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree that Panorama has been completely dumbed down (any link to difficulty of GCSEs ?). I am probably wrong but, the power output of a wi fi transmitter will only vary if it is using amplitude modulation (QAM). If the wi fi protocol is using PSK modulation then the power output remains constant. I also believe that the transmitters are continuously transmitting.</p>
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		<title>By: jcjc762</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-31909</link>
		<dc:creator>jcjc762</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jcjc762</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-31908</link>
		<dc:creator>jcjc762</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-30199</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-14036</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...oh, and I suppose it causes spurious illness, with spurious symptoms.

This, however, has -been- discussed here.  It isn&#039;t a made-up illness if it&#039;s caused by, say, low-level carbon monoxide exposure instead of the Internet.  It isn&#039;t even a made-up illness if it&#039;s &quot;psychosomatic&quot;.  You&#039;re still ill.  But you should keep an open mind about why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;oh, and I suppose it causes spurious illness, with spurious symptoms.</p>
<p>This, however, has -been- discussed here.  It isn&#8217;t a made-up illness if it&#8217;s caused by, say, low-level carbon monoxide exposure instead of the Internet.  It isn&#8217;t even a made-up illness if it&#8217;s &#8220;psychosomatic&#8221;.  You&#8217;re still ill.  But you should keep an open mind about why.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-14033</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spurious&quot; is not in the dictionary except with the common meaning and also a technical meaning, particularly in botany, of &quot;deceptively having the appearance of another thing&quot;.

Theory 1: the word was unfamiliar to Mr. Powerwatcher and the context suggested to him that it would sound effective in this context.  For instance if Ben used it cunningly in an e-mail...  Maybe they think it means &quot;invisible&quot;, or something.

Theory 2: the intention is to lead the audience to believe that &quot;spurious&quot; is a technical term in electrosmogology, so that if Ben points out that the meter device and its measurements are spurious, the audience thinks, &quot;Why, Doctor, how ignorant you are!  Obviously you must use a spurious meter to make spurious measurements of a spurious radiation field!&quot;  And confusion reigns.

Theory 3: You are Mr. Powerwatcher and you wrote in the word just now to see if we would get all excited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spurious&#8221; is not in the dictionary except with the common meaning and also a technical meaning, particularly in botany, of &#8220;deceptively having the appearance of another thing&#8221;.</p>
<p>Theory 1: the word was unfamiliar to Mr. Powerwatcher and the context suggested to him that it would sound effective in this context.  For instance if Ben used it cunningly in an e-mail&#8230;  Maybe they think it means &#8220;invisible&#8221;, or something.</p>
<p>Theory 2: the intention is to lead the audience to believe that &#8220;spurious&#8221; is a technical term in electrosmogology, so that if Ben points out that the meter device and its measurements are spurious, the audience thinks, &#8220;Why, Doctor, how ignorant you are!  Obviously you must use a spurious meter to make spurious measurements of a spurious radiation field!&#8221;  And confusion reigns.</p>
<p>Theory 3: You are Mr. Powerwatcher and you wrote in the word just now to see if we would get all excited.</p>
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		<title>By: ceec</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13677</link>
		<dc:creator>ceec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - I mean is &quot;spurious&quot; a genuine technical term?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; I mean is &#8220;spurious&#8221; a genuine technical term?</p>
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		<title>By: ceec</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13676</link>
		<dc:creator>ceec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the powerwatch page in post #48

&quot;Due to the spurious nature of electromagnetic fields, the only way of knowing exposure levels is to measure the field levels.&quot;

I like collecting poetic physics terminology but am a bit suspicious of it in this case. Can one of you physicists tell me if it&#039;s a genuine technical term or not? I am hoping so, for the good of my soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the powerwatch page in post #48</p>
<p>&#8220;Due to the spurious nature of electromagnetic fields, the only way of knowing exposure levels is to measure the field levels.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like collecting poetic physics terminology but am a bit suspicious of it in this case. Can one of you physicists tell me if it&#8217;s a genuine technical term or not? I am hoping so, for the good of my soul.</p>
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		<title>By: fstorr</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13185</link>
		<dc:creator>fstorr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit late to the party on this, but &lt;a&gt;Ed&lt;/a&gt;, you can use the rather fine &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;News Sniffer&lt;/a&gt; site to track changes on BBC news articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit late to the party on this, but <a>Ed</a>, you can use the rather fine <a href="http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">News Sniffer</a> site to track changes on BBC news articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13171</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 23:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Channel 4 just ran the story of the Soviet fencing competitor at the Olympics who had a button to press on his foil to make it score &quot;hit&quot;.

I think Scientologists have their own funny gadgets, they wouldn&#039;t want to draw attention to other people&#039;s.  I also was presuming the important documentary on wi-fi was on the shelf next to Scientology waiting for a week when nothing of actual importance happened, but Ben getting a letter saying &quot;the Panorama people and Mister Tin Foil Hat were just here, we threw them out&quot; counts against that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Channel 4 just ran the story of the Soviet fencing competitor at the Olympics who had a button to press on his foil to make it score &#8220;hit&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think Scientologists have their own funny gadgets, they wouldn&#8217;t want to draw attention to other people&#8217;s.  I also was presuming the important documentary on wi-fi was on the shelf next to Scientology waiting for a week when nothing of actual importance happened, but Ben getting a letter saying &#8220;the Panorama people and Mister Tin Foil Hat were just here, we threw them out&#8221; counts against that.</p>
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		<title>By: nicemandan</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13160</link>
		<dc:creator>nicemandan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 15:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having said that... was the teacher who complained about the BBC a Scientologist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having said that&#8230; was the teacher who complained about the BBC a Scientologist?</p>
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		<title>By: nicemandan</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13159</link>
		<dc:creator>nicemandan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 15:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What concerns me, is that this Panorama follows the one about Scientology, where John Sweeny lost it. The BBC were trying to gain the moral high ground over the barrage of anti-BBC propaganda put out by Scientologists. 

Yet producing such poorly researched programme, just for the sake of sensationalism degrades the BBC even more and weakens its position against its critics. 

Scientologists can quite rightly say Panorama doesn&#039;t research its facts properly and is guilty of scare-mongery. Well done BBC for shooting yourself in the foot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What concerns me, is that this Panorama follows the one about Scientology, where John Sweeny lost it. The BBC were trying to gain the moral high ground over the barrage of anti-BBC propaganda put out by Scientologists. </p>
<p>Yet producing such poorly researched programme, just for the sake of sensationalism degrades the BBC even more and weakens its position against its critics. </p>
<p>Scientologists can quite rightly say Panorama doesn&#8217;t research its facts properly and is guilty of scare-mongery. Well done BBC for shooting yourself in the foot!</p>
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		<title>By: fenderplayer96</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13153</link>
		<dc:creator>fenderplayer96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 23:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should I be reading anything into the way Alisdair Phillips felt it necessary to &quot;make sure this is set to the right scale&quot; immediately before he took the reading and made his &quot;quite spectacular&quot; comment? Naah, probably nothing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should I be reading anything into the way Alisdair Phillips felt it necessary to &#8220;make sure this is set to the right scale&#8221; immediately before he took the reading and made his &#8220;quite spectacular&#8221; comment? Naah, probably nothing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tomh</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13090</link>
		<dc:creator>tomh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re No 56 (Mr Scopes)
Don&#039;t bother moving it, just invest some time to learn how to set it up correctly, and by this I mean setting a time limit on the router so that your child can&#039;t spend so long on the computer (presuming he is playing multi-player games of course...

This should elimanate the primary cause of your dilemma (son spending too much time in front of the computer), while saving you the hassle of moving something for no good reason at all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re No 56 (Mr Scopes)<br />
Don&#8217;t bother moving it, just invest some time to learn how to set it up correctly, and by this I mean setting a time limit on the router so that your child can&#8217;t spend so long on the computer (presuming he is playing multi-player games of course&#8230;</p>
<p>This should elimanate the primary cause of your dilemma (son spending too much time in front of the computer), while saving you the hassle of moving something for no good reason at all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Scopes</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13088</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Scopes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok now I have a practical question. I&#039;m as much a sceptical rationalist as everyone else but here&#039;s the situation. My household wifi sits right next to the desk that my 12 year old son spends far to many hours each day playing computer games (and a little homework). Should I move it? Should I even bother to ask you here and just move it anyway? Could this be my John Gummer moment. (here little daughter, stuff this beefburger in your face to prove BSE doesn&#039;t exist)
A parent needs to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok now I have a practical question. I&#8217;m as much a sceptical rationalist as everyone else but here&#8217;s the situation. My household wifi sits right next to the desk that my 12 year old son spends far to many hours each day playing computer games (and a little homework). Should I move it? Should I even bother to ask you here and just move it anyway? Could this be my John Gummer moment. (here little daughter, stuff this beefburger in your face to prove BSE doesn&#8217;t exist)<br />
A parent needs to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanobot</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13077</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 19:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can&#039;t do anything right, can they? Well, I&#039;ve written a complaint so lets see how it goes.

Sadly the BBC fails to have realised that David King is a political animal and his views are coloured both by science and politics.

I also disagree that Alisdair Phillips didn&#039;t express a view. &#039;Wow, that&#039;s quite spectacular&#039; - I did hear that coming from the man&#039;s lips didn&#039;t I? Sounds like an opinion to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can&#8217;t do anything right, can they? Well, I&#8217;ve written a complaint so lets see how it goes.</p>
<p>Sadly the BBC fails to have realised that David King is a political animal and his views are coloured both by science and politics.</p>
<p>I also disagree that Alisdair Phillips didn&#8217;t express a view. &#8216;Wow, that&#8217;s quite spectacular&#8217; &#8211; I did hear that coming from the man&#8217;s lips didn&#8217;t I? Sounds like an opinion to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13075</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 17:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just been sent this by the BBC publicity office, it is a note from Paul Kenyon. 

He is talking about the posts &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=415&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=414&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. 
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&quot;If you could post Paul&#039;s piece below online today that would be great.&quot;
 
I have read the comments expressed about the Panorama WiFi programme and, though often entertaining, I do think much of it is unfair criticism of a programme with a very straight forward thesis. The head of the HPA, who is a well-respected and influential scientist calls for a review of WiFi technology in schools because he feels it is being rolled out too rapidly....isnt that worth reporting?
 
As many of your readers will know, in 2000 Sir William Stewart carried out a review of the studies carried out into the possible health effects of mobile phones and masts.  His key recommendation was that we should take a &quot;precautionary approach&quot;.  It is his view that the government has not taken a sufficiently &quot;precautionary approach&quot; in relation to WiFi.  I think you will agree this too is worth reporting.
 
He also recommended against the beam of greatest intensity from a mobile phone mast falling on any part of a schools grounds.  Now, you may disagree with his thoughts, but do bear in mind that this view was reached by Sir William&#039;s expert group, and not by him alone.  The expert group included Dr Mike Repacholi.  If Sir William is concerned about pulsing radio frequency radiation from phone masts, it would follow that he might well have concerns about the similar pulsing radiation from WiFi.  He says he does.  We went to a school and measured it.  We then compared it with a mobile phone mast, which he had expressed his concerns about.  Since the outrage expressed on this website, I checked again to ensure this was comparing like with like (even though we did of course check on numerous occasions during the making of the programme).  I checked this time with a scientist at University of Bristol, who said that for the purpose of this programme these two sources are comparable.  So, put simply, Sir William Stewart is uncomfortable about the main beam of a mast falling on a school...the WiFi had a higher reading. He is concerned about that too.  However, it must be pointed out that we interviewed Sir William before we carried out the tests at the school, and so his concern was not as a result of the tests. 
 
Ben &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978&quot;&gt;compares&lt;/a&gt; it, amusingly enough, with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978&quot;&gt;radiation&lt;/a&gt; from a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978&quot;&gt;light bulb&lt;/a&gt;, therefore qualifying &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978&quot;&gt;himself&lt;/a&gt; for his very own &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978&quot;&gt;Bad&lt;/a&gt; Science Award.  The bulb doesn&#039;t produce pulsing radiation for a start.
 
On the subject of Alasdair Phillips, whatever you think about his views, they didn&#039;t impinge in any way on the programme.  All he did was take the readings, not express a view.  
 
In terms of interviewees, Professor Henry Lai is well-respected by both sides in the argument.  Dr Repacholi agreed with that when I put it to him.  Just because he is in a minority of scientists who have found an effect at these low levels of radiation doesn&#039;t mean he can be brushed to one side.  Dr Olle Johansson specialises in the field of electrosensitives, and is from the Karolinska Institute and so absolutely worth having in the programme.
 
Panorama was not trying to suggest there is any new science around, we were merely reporting on the views of the government&#039;s chief advisor in this field.  It is the mainstream view, which your readers appear to unanimously support, that there is no evidence of any adverse health effects from this form of radiation.  But when we put that quote, from the WHO website, to Sir William he said this:
 

PK: Is that an accurate reflection of the science do you think?

 

BS: I think theyâ€™re wrong

 

PK: How are they wrong?

 

BS: Because there is evidence and the Stewart report pointed out some of that evidence

 

The fact that the head of the HPA believes the WHO is incorrect in the message it&#039;s putting out to the world seems to me to be a legitimate piece of journalism.
 
Yours Paul Kenyon&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I ought to mention in passing that &lt;em&gt;obviously &lt;/em&gt;I didn&#039;t compare electromagnetic signals with lightbulbs, I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978&quot;&gt;quoted&lt;/a&gt; a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978&quot;&gt;funny skit&lt;/a&gt; from somebody called Tristan Mills on &lt;a href=&quot;http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2007/05/wifi_is_killing.html&quot;&gt;another blog&lt;/a&gt;. He was mocking the use of the word &quot;radiation&quot; in the program (30 times in 28 minutes) to describe electromagnetic signals. It&#039;s quite a funny skit from him, you should &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978&quot;&gt;read&lt;/a&gt; it. 


&lt;strong&gt;Paul Kenyon Podcast&lt;/strong&gt;

We also had a long chat on the phone, &quot;stilted&quot; while the tape was on, cheery when it wasn&#039;t. Nice chap. Unfortunately it&#039;s on audio cassette - not &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inquitaudio.co.uk/html/fostex_fr2-le.html&quot;&gt;posh&lt;/a&gt; podcast recorder - because you stingy bastards don&#039;t ever spend anything &lt;a href=&quot;http://astore.amazon.co.uk/bs0b-21/026-8812094-8421242&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://badscience2.spreadshirt.net/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and god bless you for it, ideas were meant to be free. I&#039;ll try and transfer it over if I can find a weird enough audio cable, but I warn you it may be only just about audible.  

You&#039;ve, er, heard the quality of the previous recordings of course. 

http://www.badscience.net/?p=369</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just been sent this by the BBC publicity office, it is a note from Paul Kenyon. </p>
<p>He is talking about the posts <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=415">here</a> and <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=414">here</a>. </p>
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&#8220;If you could post Paul&#8217;s piece below online today that would be great.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have read the comments expressed about the Panorama WiFi programme and, though often entertaining, I do think much of it is unfair criticism of a programme with a very straight forward thesis. The head of the HPA, who is a well-respected and influential scientist calls for a review of WiFi technology in schools because he feels it is being rolled out too rapidly&#8230;.isnt that worth reporting?</p>
<p>As many of your readers will know, in 2000 Sir William Stewart carried out a review of the studies carried out into the possible health effects of mobile phones and masts.  His key recommendation was that we should take a &#8220;precautionary approach&#8221;.  It is his view that the government has not taken a sufficiently &#8220;precautionary approach&#8221; in relation to WiFi.  I think you will agree this too is worth reporting.</p>
<p>He also recommended against the beam of greatest intensity from a mobile phone mast falling on any part of a schools grounds.  Now, you may disagree with his thoughts, but do bear in mind that this view was reached by Sir William&#8217;s expert group, and not by him alone.  The expert group included Dr Mike Repacholi.  If Sir William is concerned about pulsing radio frequency radiation from phone masts, it would follow that he might well have concerns about the similar pulsing radiation from WiFi.  He says he does.  We went to a school and measured it.  We then compared it with a mobile phone mast, which he had expressed his concerns about.  Since the outrage expressed on this website, I checked again to ensure this was comparing like with like (even though we did of course check on numerous occasions during the making of the programme).  I checked this time with a scientist at University of Bristol, who said that for the purpose of this programme these two sources are comparable.  So, put simply, Sir William Stewart is uncomfortable about the main beam of a mast falling on a school&#8230;the WiFi had a higher reading. He is concerned about that too.  However, it must be pointed out that we interviewed Sir William before we carried out the tests at the school, and so his concern was not as a result of the tests. </p>
<p>Ben <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978">compares</a> it, amusingly enough, with the <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978">radiation</a> from a <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978">light bulb</a>, therefore qualifying <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978">himself</a> for his very own <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978">Bad</a> Science Award.  The bulb doesn&#8217;t produce pulsing radiation for a start.</p>
<p>On the subject of Alasdair Phillips, whatever you think about his views, they didn&#8217;t impinge in any way on the programme.  All he did was take the readings, not express a view.  </p>
<p>In terms of interviewees, Professor Henry Lai is well-respected by both sides in the argument.  Dr Repacholi agreed with that when I put it to him.  Just because he is in a minority of scientists who have found an effect at these low levels of radiation doesn&#8217;t mean he can be brushed to one side.  Dr Olle Johansson specialises in the field of electrosensitives, and is from the Karolinska Institute and so absolutely worth having in the programme.</p>
<p>Panorama was not trying to suggest there is any new science around, we were merely reporting on the views of the government&#8217;s chief advisor in this field.  It is the mainstream view, which your readers appear to unanimously support, that there is no evidence of any adverse health effects from this form of radiation.  But when we put that quote, from the WHO website, to Sir William he said this:</p>
<p>PK: Is that an accurate reflection of the science do you think?</p>
<p>BS: I think theyâ€™re wrong</p>
<p>PK: How are they wrong?</p>
<p>BS: Because there is evidence and the Stewart report pointed out some of that evidence</p>
<p>The fact that the head of the HPA believes the WHO is incorrect in the message it&#8217;s putting out to the world seems to me to be a legitimate piece of journalism.</p>
<p>Yours Paul Kenyon</p></blockquote>
<p>I ought to mention in passing that <em>obviously </em>I didn&#8217;t compare electromagnetic signals with lightbulbs, I <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978">quoted</a> a <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978">funny skit</a> from somebody called Tristan Mills on <a href="http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2007/05/wifi_is_killing.html">another blog</a>. He was mocking the use of the word &#8220;radiation&#8221; in the program (30 times in 28 minutes) to describe electromagnetic signals. It&#8217;s quite a funny skit from him, you should <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=414#comment-12978">read</a> it. </p>
<p><strong>Paul Kenyon Podcast</strong></p>
<p>We also had a long chat on the phone, &#8220;stilted&#8221; while the tape was on, cheery when it wasn&#8217;t. Nice chap. Unfortunately it&#8217;s on audio cassette &#8211; not <a href="http://www.inquitaudio.co.uk/html/fostex_fr2-le.html">posh</a> podcast recorder &#8211; because you stingy bastards don&#8217;t ever spend anything <a href="http://astore.amazon.co.uk/bs0b-21/026-8812094-8421242">here</a> or <a href="http://badscience2.spreadshirt.net/">here</a>, and god bless you for it, ideas were meant to be free. I&#8217;ll try and transfer it over if I can find a weird enough audio cable, but I warn you it may be only just about audible.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve, er, heard the quality of the previous recordings of course. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=369" rel="nofollow">http://www.badscience.net/?p=369</a></p>
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		<title>By: ayupmeduck</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/bbc-panorama-on-wifi/comment-page-2/#comment-13072</link>
		<dc:creator>ayupmeduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 12:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re still collecting blog links, here&#039;s one:

http://www.qnoodle.com/public/blog/2396

Strangely, there&#039;s seemingly not much interest compared to past rants (e.g. McKeith), even though the consequences IMHO are bigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re still collecting blog links, here&#8217;s one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.qnoodle.com/public/blog/2396" rel="nofollow">http://www.qnoodle.com/public/blog/2396</a></p>
<p>Strangely, there&#8217;s seemingly not much interest compared to past rants (e.g. McKeith), even though the consequences IMHO are bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Zamzara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zamzara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 11:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this kind of context there is absolutely no good reason to refer to radio signals as &#039;radiation&#039;, unless the aim is to cause fear through misunderstanding.

It&#039;s very similar to the &#039;dihydrogen monoxide&#039; trick, except that that was a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this kind of context there is absolutely no good reason to refer to radio signals as &#8216;radiation&#8217;, unless the aim is to cause fear through misunderstanding.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very similar to the &#8216;dihydrogen monoxide&#8217; trick, except that that was a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: grey1618</title>
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		<dc:creator>grey1618</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/2007-05-27--the-truth-about-wireless-devices.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wifi Eats Babies&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, <a HREF="http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/2007-05-27--the-truth-about-wireless-devices.html" rel="nofollow">Wifi Eats Babies</a></p>
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