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	<title>Comments on: Electrosmog. The Independent has seriously excelled itself this time</title>
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		<title>By: wwdlu101</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-32022</link>
		<dc:creator>wwdlu101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>wwdlu101</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>wwdlu101</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>wwdlu101</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>wwdlu101</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>wwdlu101</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>longyan</dc:creator>
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		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-28026</link>
		<dc:creator>interslice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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I also noticed I was giving away energy to others around me, esp kids ... and from some I was taking it - it seemed to become very unstable after a while ... perhaps i was fighting it somehow?

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1st day i felt different &#8211; more solid &#8211; more calm.<br />
After 2 weeks I began to fall asleep at work in my chair &#8230; ! I couldn&#8217;t keep my eyes open. </p>
<p>I have had that before &#8211; I was looking for a cure &#8211; hence enter Q-Link.</p>
<p>I took it off this morning before my shower and felt an immediate sense of ahhhhhhhhhhhhh relief.<br />
i&#8217;ll give it one more try as i know something is there &#8211; i had it tested by a friend. However i think it&#8217;s possibly evil. <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I also noticed I was giving away energy to others around me, esp kids &#8230; and from some I was taking it &#8211; it seemed to become very unstable after a while &#8230; perhaps i was fighting it somehow?</p>
<p>I am a coeliac &#8211; and have been looking for something that would give me more energy. I also get sleepy when i drink coffee! PErhaps my body is just too screwed up for the Q-link to figure out what to do. When i passed it to a friend she said it was &#8220;adjusting&#8221; soo who knows.<br />
For me it didn&#8217;t work &#8211; it nearly destroyed me &#8211; thats my two cents.</p>
<p>pls contact me if you have also had negative feedback &#8211; i have only found one other negative review.</p>
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		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13778</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 20:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13550</link>
		<dc:creator>siwilks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the periodic table is symptomatic of the types of pulsing radiation produced by wi-fi routers? Just think though, a short course of treatment from the e-lybra 8 and you would be able to go back to the good old days of earth, wind, fire and water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the periodic table is symptomatic of the types of pulsing radiation produced by wi-fi routers? Just think though, a short course of treatment from the e-lybra 8 and you would be able to go back to the good old days of earth, wind, fire and water.</p>
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		<title>By: siwilks</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13522</link>
		<dc:creator>siwilks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.remedydevices.com/copier2.htm

&quot;None of these devices require any battery or mains supply as the energy they require is supplied by internal resonators which will never run down. All Copiers are guaranteed for 1 Year so long as the case is not opened and internal components interfered with.&quot;

Could anyone possibly be stupid enough to have any reason to return this? Um, my energy copier doesn&#039;t work - It consistently fails to disobey the first law of thermodynamics.</description>
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<p>&#8220;None of these devices require any battery or mains supply as the energy they require is supplied by internal resonators which will never run down. All Copiers are guaranteed for 1 Year so long as the case is not opened and internal components interfered with.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could anyone possibly be stupid enough to have any reason to return this? Um, my energy copier doesn&#8217;t work &#8211; It consistently fails to disobey the first law of thermodynamics.</p>
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		<title>By: siwilks</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13520</link>
		<dc:creator>siwilks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.bio-resonance.com/elybra.htm

The device above claims to be able to be able to synthesise a homeopathic remedy for crop circle formations and the periodic table? Uh?! Heavily diluted men in wellies for the former I guess then - although at the dilutions necessary for a homeopathic remedy that would just be a pot of water obviously. But a remedy for the periodic table! Now that&#039;s what the world has surely been waiting for!</description>
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<p>The device above claims to be able to be able to synthesise a homeopathic remedy for crop circle formations and the periodic table? Uh?! Heavily diluted men in wellies for the former I guess then &#8211; although at the dilutions necessary for a homeopathic remedy that would just be a pot of water obviously. But a remedy for the periodic table! Now that&#8217;s what the world has surely been waiting for!</p>
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		<title>By: gadgeezer</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13511</link>
		<dc:creator>gadgeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Independent on Sunday wants to hear from you on how it can improve itself. &quot;What do you want more - or less - of? What subjects, people or stories would you like us to cover? And how can we make your paper&#039;s website more relevant to you? All ideas and suggestions welcomed here.&quot;

http://ios.typepad.com/ios/2007/05/your_suggestion.html#comment-71553860

Well - does anybody have any suggestions for them - like employing scientists to fact check copy written on healthcare or scientific subjects by people who don&#039;t have a scooby?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Independent on Sunday wants to hear from you on how it can improve itself. &#8220;What do you want more &#8211; or less &#8211; of? What subjects, people or stories would you like us to cover? And how can we make your paper&#8217;s website more relevant to you? All ideas and suggestions welcomed here.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://ios.typepad.com/ios/2007/05/your_suggestion.html#comment-71553860" rel="nofollow">ios.typepad.com/ios/2007/05/your_suggestion.html#comment-71553860</a></p>
<p>Well &#8211; does anybody have any suggestions for them &#8211; like employing scientists to fact check copy written on healthcare or scientific subjects by people who don&#8217;t have a scooby?</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13465</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard to know whether to laugh or cry...

... but I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that this woman&#039;s whole life is a fantastic piece of &#039;conceptual art&#039;...

I can only assume that the Green Party chose here as a candidate in a moment of equal opps inspired madness; I mean cute, fabulously wealthy, aristocratic, bonkers chalet girls aren&#039;t part of their general demographic.

..but I predict a defection to David Cameron&#039;s Tories any moment now..

... actually this is a case where ad hominem arguments seem perfectly justified...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to know whether to laugh or cry&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; but I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that this woman&#8217;s whole life is a fantastic piece of &#8216;conceptual art&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>I can only assume that the Green Party chose here as a candidate in a moment of equal opps inspired madness; I mean cute, fabulously wealthy, aristocratic, bonkers chalet girls aren&#8217;t part of their general demographic.</p>
<p>..but I predict a defection to David Cameron&#8217;s Tories any moment now..</p>
<p>&#8230; actually this is a case where ad hominem arguments seem perfectly justified&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MountainKing</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13462</link>
		<dc:creator>MountainKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You will find some informations about the &quot;Freiburger Appell&quot; here (a very good page on that topic, in German though):

http://www.ralf-woelfle.de/elektrosmog/redir.htm?http://www.ralf-woelfle.de/elektrosmog/2002/021021ho.htm

The Appell claims an increase in a lot of different diseases including brain tumors and leukemia and that the &quot;doctors&quot; who started it just know that the dieseases increased at the same time their patients were much more exposed to electrosmog. A scientific rebuttal pointed out that statistics dont show any increase in the numbers of diseases and that theres still no proof for any causal connection between the diseases and the exposure to frequencies.

http://www.scientificjournals.com/sj/ufp/Pdf/aId/5638

The reaction of the creators of the Appell is telling: they work with the people, try to help them, save the world and just know that their hypothesis is correct while the stupid, misguided scientists in their &quot;ivory towers&quot; dare to ask for data, statistics and rational explanations. Of course you will find the common attacks on  &quot;school medicine&quot; and the hint, that any contradicting data is most likely influenced by the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will find some informations about the &#8220;Freiburger Appell&#8221; here (a very good page on that topic, in German though):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ralf-woelfle.de/elektrosmog/redir.htm?http://www.ralf-woelfle.de/elektrosmog/2002/021021ho.htm" rel="nofollow">www.ralf-woelfle.de/elektrosmog/redir.htm?http://www.ralf-woelfle.de/elektrosmog/2002/021021ho.htm</a></p>
<p>The Appell claims an increase in a lot of different diseases including brain tumors and leukemia and that the &#8220;doctors&#8221; who started it just know that the dieseases increased at the same time their patients were much more exposed to electrosmog. A scientific rebuttal pointed out that statistics dont show any increase in the numbers of diseases and that theres still no proof for any causal connection between the diseases and the exposure to frequencies.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientificjournals.com/sj/ufp/Pdf/aId/5638" rel="nofollow">www.scientificjournals.com/sj/ufp/Pdf/aId/5638</a></p>
<p>The reaction of the creators of the Appell is telling: they work with the people, try to help them, save the world and just know that their hypothesis is correct while the stupid, misguided scientists in their &#8220;ivory towers&#8221; dare to ask for data, statistics and rational explanations. Of course you will find the common attacks on  &#8220;school medicine&#8221; and the hint, that any contradicting data is most likely influenced by the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: BSM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13436</link>
		<dc:creator>BSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.remedydevices.com/skeptics.htm

&quot;I know that nothing I say or do is going to change the attitude of people like that, a great many who also think that Homeopathy is also fakery or just plain woo-woo, in spite of the fact that this form of medicine is used daily by huge numbers of people worldwide, 100 thousand million people in India alone, (10% of the population) also by the Royal Family in England, and by the Prime Minister and his wife, and in countless Hospitals and surgeries throughout the world.&quot;


10% of the population of India is 100,000 million.

That&#039;s not sea levels rising, it&#039;s India sinking under the the weight of its population and dragging us all down with it.</description>
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<p>&#8220;I know that nothing I say or do is going to change the attitude of people like that, a great many who also think that Homeopathy is also fakery or just plain woo-woo, in spite of the fact that this form of medicine is used daily by huge numbers of people worldwide, 100 thousand million people in India alone, (10% of the population) also by the Royal Family in England, and by the Prime Minister and his wife, and in countless Hospitals and surgeries throughout the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>10% of the population of India is 100,000 million.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not sea levels rising, it&#8217;s India sinking under the the weight of its population and dragging us all down with it.</p>
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		<title>By: BSM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13435</link>
		<dc:creator>BSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also from Mojo&#039;s link;

&quot;the device is fitted with a special kind of microphone which converts speech into subtle vibrations.&quot;

Hmm...I thought speech WAS subtle vibrations.

Ah, ha. Now I see how the machine works. It takes those subtle vibrations and transforms them into subtle vibrations.

These people have invented the stethoscope. Brilliant.

p.s. I just followed the &quot;Home Page&quot; link at the bottom of the page:-

http://www.remedydevices.com/index.htm

&quot;We are sorry but we have had to close, temporarily, due to unforseen circumstances&quot;

If only I could dowse, I could ask why they had to close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also from Mojo&#8217;s link;</p>
<p>&#8220;the device is fitted with a special kind of microphone which converts speech into subtle vibrations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230;I thought speech WAS subtle vibrations.</p>
<p>Ah, ha. Now I see how the machine works. It takes those subtle vibrations and transforms them into subtle vibrations.</p>
<p>These people have invented the stethoscope. Brilliant.</p>
<p>p.s. I just followed the &#8220;Home Page&#8221; link at the bottom of the page:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.remedydevices.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow">www.remedydevices.com/index.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;We are sorry but we have had to close, temporarily, due to unforseen circumstances&#8221;</p>
<p>If only I could dowse, I could ask why they had to close.</p>
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		<title>By: BSM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13434</link>
		<dc:creator>BSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So that may answer your question about telling whether a vital component has been removed from this type of device: you canâ€™t. It will still work just as well!&quot;

Even better than that...

I&#039;ve saved a load of money by eliminating all the components in their entirety. The trick is not to buy one of the machines at all. I&#039;m pretty happy that my &#039;no device&#039; works the same as the &#039;real&#039; thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So that may answer your question about telling whether a vital component has been removed from this type of device: you canâ€™t. It will still work just as well!&#8221;</p>
<p>Even better than that&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve saved a load of money by eliminating all the components in their entirety. The trick is not to buy one of the machines at all. I&#8217;m pretty happy that my &#8216;no device&#8217; works the same as the &#8216;real&#8217; thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/electrosmog-the-independent-has-seriously-excelled-itself-this-time-2/comment-page-2/#comment-13399</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. if you follow the link on that page to the instruction leaflet, you will find that &quot;it will even continue to work if the batteries are dead.&quot;  So that may answer your question about telling whether a vital component has been removed from this type of device: you can&#039;t.  It will still work just as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. if you follow the link on that page to the instruction leaflet, you will find that &#8220;it will even continue to work if the batteries are dead.&#8221;  So that may answer your question about telling whether a vital component has been removed from this type of device: you can&#8217;t.  It will still work just as well!</p>
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