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	<title>Comments on: BMJ Column &#8211; Why don&#8217;t journalists mention the data?</title>
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		<title>By: diudiu</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-30232</link>
		<dc:creator>diudiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-20904</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 09:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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I am posting my column from the BMJ (below) rather sooner than I normally would today, because I have already started to receive a string of rather abusive emails from people from the electrosensitivity lobby, accusing me of saying all manner of dreadful things which I simply have not said (this is the bullying I mentioned in the article, of course).

I have told everyone who has written to make sure that if they write about what I have said, they link to the actual full text, which is now available for free below, or even reproduce the full text for themselves (I can&#039;t imagine the BMJ would mind). This will allow their readers to decide for themselves about whether my article is reasonable.

For myself, I am very much hoping that it might be possible to recruit the passion and energy of those in the electrosensitivity lobby to help improve the design of provocation studies that seem to cause so much anger. If there are methodological concerns with the 37 studies which have already been done, then rather than simply ignoring them, I would be very keen to see a critical discussion of those methodological flaws, here or anywhere.

In particular, I&#039;d be very keen to see specific suggestions of how to improve the design of these studies, so that better experiments can be done to examine the question of whether electromagnetic signals elicit electrosensitivity symptoms.</description>
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<p>I am posting my column from the BMJ (below) rather sooner than I normally would today, because I have already started to receive a string of rather abusive emails from people from the electrosensitivity lobby, accusing me of saying all manner of dreadful things which I simply have not said (this is the bullying I mentioned in the article, of course).</p>
<p>I have told everyone who has written to make sure that if they write about what I have said, they link to the actual full text, which is now available for free below, or even reproduce the full text for themselves (I can&#8217;t imagine the BMJ would mind). This will allow their readers to decide for themselves about whether my article is reasonable.</p>
<p>For myself, I am very much hoping that it might be possible to recruit the passion and energy of those in the electrosensitivity lobby to help improve the design of provocation studies that seem to cause so much anger. If there are methodological concerns with the 37 studies which have already been done, then rather than simply ignoring them, I would be very keen to see a critical discussion of those methodological flaws, here or anywhere.</p>
<p>In particular, I&#8217;d be very keen to see specific suggestions of how to improve the design of these studies, so that better experiments can be done to examine the question of whether electromagnetic signals elicit electrosensitivity symptoms.</p>
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		<title>By: stevejones123</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-15819</link>
		<dc:creator>stevejones123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If somebody sends you an email or a letter you can do what you want with it.

This even applies if you were sent it by mistake --- those ridiculous demands at the bottom of corportate emails telling you to delete them immediately if you are not the intended recipient can be treated as the nonsense they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If somebody sends you an email or a letter you can do what you want with it.</p>
<p>This even applies if you were sent it by mistake &#8212; those ridiculous demands at the bottom of corportate emails telling you to delete them immediately if you are not the intended recipient can be treated as the nonsense they are.</p>
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		<title>By: art16</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14897</link>
		<dc:creator>art16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find all this anecdotal information on symptoms nothing more than a symptom looking for a disease, an effect looking for a cause, and the present trend to pin blame for everything on something. As Albert Einstein once said:

“The law of causality has not
the significance of a statement 
as to the world of experience,
except when observable facts
ultimately appear as causes
and effects.” 

(The Foundation of the General Theory of Relativity, A. Einstein, Annalen der Physik,49, 1916, trans.W. Perrett &amp; G. B. Jeffery, The Principle of Relativity, p113, Dover, 1923.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find all this anecdotal information on symptoms nothing more than a symptom looking for a disease, an effect looking for a cause, and the present trend to pin blame for everything on something. As Albert Einstein once said:</p>
<p>“The law of causality has not<br />
the significance of a statement<br />
as to the world of experience,<br />
except when observable facts<br />
ultimately appear as causes<br />
and effects.” </p>
<p>(The Foundation of the General Theory of Relativity, A. Einstein, Annalen der Physik,49, 1916, trans.W. Perrett &amp; G. B. Jeffery, The Principle of Relativity, p113, Dover, 1923.)</p>
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		<title>By: TroyKnight</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14233</link>
		<dc:creator>TroyKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, you talk so much junk these days. 

For anyone actually interested in the health effects of electromagnetic fields, see http://www.electrosensitivity.org/.

Troy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, you talk so much junk these days. </p>
<p>For anyone actually interested in the health effects of electromagnetic fields, see <a href="http://www.electrosensitivity.org/" rel="nofollow">www.electrosensitivity.org/</a>.</p>
<p>Troy</p>
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		<title>By: BobP</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14074</link>
		<dc:creator>BobP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.. on the subject of radiation sources, I&#039;ve just realised that there are all these GPS satellites in the sky which are bathing the &lt;b&gt; whole globe &lt;/b&gt; in radiation. Just to be safe, perhaps we should all live in caverns a mile underground where only the neutrinos can get us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.. on the subject of radiation sources, I&#8217;ve just realised that there are all these GPS satellites in the sky which are bathing the <b> whole globe </b> in radiation. Just to be safe, perhaps we should all live in caverns a mile underground where only the neutrinos can get us?</p>
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		<title>By: stever</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14038</link>
		<dc:creator>stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive had press releases printed in local papers that included the notes to editors and my contact details. followed by the name of the jourrnalist. Now THAT is lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive had press releases printed in local papers that included the notes to editors and my contact details. followed by the name of the jourrnalist. Now THAT is lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: drowned</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14037</link>
		<dc:creator>drowned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Ben&#039;s point about not wanting to make public the hate mail etc. Still would be happy to look into the relationship between volume and degree of nastiness in emails and the potential economic implications for the respective industry. Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Ben&#8217;s point about not wanting to make public the hate mail etc. Still would be happy to look into the relationship between volume and degree of nastiness in emails and the potential economic implications for the respective industry. Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: JRW</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14034</link>
		<dc:creator>JRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science and Policy Research Institute&#039;s &quot;latest project&quot; is  something called the &quot;safe wireless initiative&quot;. Here it is:

&quot; Do you believe you have been harmed by radio waves from your cell phone or other sources of radio frequency radiation? 
If so, please confidentially share your information with us so that we can continue our studies aimed at identifying the means to protect you and your family.&quot; 

The safe wireless initiative has a couple of Carlo&#039;s  books for sale. What&#039;s more:  
&quot;The Safe Wireless Initiative proudly supports the International Journal of Clinical Bioenergetics.  This peer-reviewed journal publishes original research addressing interventions for EMR related-health effects.&quot;
 
And even better:: 
&quot;Now you can donate to SWI without spending a dime!  Just book your  business or personal travel through our new travel site&quot;  

No competing interests declared, but plenty exist.

www.sppionline.org
www.safewireless.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science and Policy Research Institute&#8217;s &#8220;latest project&#8221; is  something called the &#8220;safe wireless initiative&#8221;. Here it is:</p>
<p>&#8221; Do you believe you have been harmed by radio waves from your cell phone or other sources of radio frequency radiation?<br />
If so, please confidentially share your information with us so that we can continue our studies aimed at identifying the means to protect you and your family.&#8221; </p>
<p>The safe wireless initiative has a couple of Carlo&#8217;s  books for sale. What&#8217;s more:<br />
&#8220;The Safe Wireless Initiative proudly supports the International Journal of Clinical Bioenergetics.  This peer-reviewed journal publishes original research addressing interventions for EMR related-health effects.&#8221;</p>
<p>And even better::<br />
&#8220;Now you can donate to SWI without spending a dime!  Just book your  business or personal travel through our new travel site&#8221;  </p>
<p>No competing interests declared, but plenty exist.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sppionline.org" rel="nofollow">www.sppionline.org</a><br />
<a href="http://www.safewireless.org" rel="nofollow">www.safewireless.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14031</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Note also that the George L Carlo rabid response also says:

Competing Interests: none declared.&quot;

Does he have commercial interests in the area, or does he &#039;just&#039; work for a research institute?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Note also that the George L Carlo rabid response also says:</p>
<p>Competing Interests: none declared.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does he have commercial interests in the area, or does he &#8216;just&#8217; work for a research institute?</p>
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		<title>By: andy123</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14011</link>
		<dc:creator>andy123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sailor talks about radar on warships. I saw about 10 years ago a documentary  from the USA about the effects on sperm count of large radars in USA warships. This programme could be shown in the UK, but not in the USA. It said that there was a similar programme in the USA from a britsh documentary crew...who said their film was not allowed to be broadcast in the UK, but could be shown in the USA. I worked in radar for 8 years from the age of 18. Just when you look to start a family. My sperm count was very low, until I left the navy, when it recovered, and we had children. I dont think the navy has ever done research to check these things. It is not in their interest to do this research. How much money have the big cellphone companies spent on research on the electro-magnetic effects of mobile phones. When did they start to put money into this research? Certainly not when the first lawsuit in the USA was launched about 15 years ago.
Note the pattern, companies dont spend money on research on things that they dont like. There is no profit in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sailor talks about radar on warships. I saw about 10 years ago a documentary  from the USA about the effects on sperm count of large radars in USA warships. This programme could be shown in the UK, but not in the USA. It said that there was a similar programme in the USA from a britsh documentary crew&#8230;who said their film was not allowed to be broadcast in the UK, but could be shown in the USA. I worked in radar for 8 years from the age of 18. Just when you look to start a family. My sperm count was very low, until I left the navy, when it recovered, and we had children. I dont think the navy has ever done research to check these things. It is not in their interest to do this research. How much money have the big cellphone companies spent on research on the electro-magnetic effects of mobile phones. When did they start to put money into this research? Certainly not when the first lawsuit in the USA was launched about 15 years ago.<br />
Note the pattern, companies dont spend money on research on things that they dont like. There is no profit in that.</p>
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		<title>By: ACH</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14008</link>
		<dc:creator>ACH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note also that the George L Carlo rabid response also says:

Competing Interests: none declared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note also that the George L Carlo rabid response also says:</p>
<p>Competing Interests: none declared.</p>
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		<title>By: nekomatic</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14007</link>
		<dc:creator>nekomatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the lure of being a hero ... in the face of mainstream doubt&quot;

This is exactly what motivates climate change deniers and any number of other controversialists, surely?

&quot;People with somatisation-type syndromes get very hostile (and develop a remarkable burst of energy for arguing the toss, despite being so ill) when some fashionable diagnosis gets questioned.&quot;

Harsh... but very, very, very funny :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the lure of being a hero &#8230; in the face of mainstream doubt&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly what motivates climate change deniers and any number of other controversialists, surely?</p>
<p>&#8220;People with somatisation-type syndromes get very hostile (and develop a remarkable burst of energy for arguing the toss, despite being so ill) when some fashionable diagnosis gets questioned.&#8221;</p>
<p>Harsh&#8230; but very, very, very funny <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Teek</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14005</link>
		<dc:creator>Teek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good points made above about journos being lazy/overworked/incompetent - as always we&#039;re probably looking at a combo of these factors when we read stories lifted verbatim from press releases.

as for being insensitive when you mention the data, that amlost smacks of McCarthyist anti-scientific knee-jerk fear of the truth - just what you&#039;d expect from woo-mongers!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good points made above about journos being lazy/overworked/incompetent &#8211; as always we&#8217;re probably looking at a combo of these factors when we read stories lifted verbatim from press releases.</p>
<p>as for being insensitive when you mention the data, that amlost smacks of McCarthyist anti-scientific knee-jerk fear of the truth &#8211; just what you&#8217;d expect from woo-mongers!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14004</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>feel free to discuss here or in the forums, no need to take it off board. 

i&#039;d have to have a think about whether i would feel comfortable releasing the hatemail. i think for the most part when mail is abusive, unsolicited, and about something i have written then there is no obligation on me to observe privacy to the sender, but legalisms aside i&#039;d have to have a good think about whether i personally thought it was appropriate. (having said that - for the benefit of those sending them especially - i have every intention of publishing edited highlights, and if anyone claims i have misrepresented them i will very happily publish full letters).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>feel free to discuss here or in the forums, no need to take it off board. </p>
<p>i&#8217;d have to have a think about whether i would feel comfortable releasing the hatemail. i think for the most part when mail is abusive, unsolicited, and about something i have written then there is no obligation on me to observe privacy to the sender, but legalisms aside i&#8217;d have to have a good think about whether i personally thought it was appropriate. (having said that &#8211; for the benefit of those sending them especially &#8211; i have every intention of publishing edited highlights, and if anyone claims i have misrepresented them i will very happily publish full letters).</p>
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		<title>By: drowned</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14002</link>
		<dc:creator>drowned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prescience: Please email me at drownedscience@gmail.com if you wish to discuss further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prescience: Please email me at <a href="mailto:drownedscience@gmail.com">drownedscience@gmail.com</a> if you wish to discuss further.</p>
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		<title>By: BobP</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-13996</link>
		<dc:creator>BobP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... and people working or moving near radar installations (e.g. everyone at Heathrow Airport, after emerging from the Tube and before entering the plane). And anyone passing near the BBC Crystal Palace Transmitter. And so on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. and people working or moving near radar installations (e.g. everyone at Heathrow Airport, after emerging from the Tube and before entering the plane). And anyone passing near the BBC Crystal Palace Transmitter. And so on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-13993</link>
		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the pilots of the world&#039;s air forces? I presume they would be subject to EMF, flying around as they do in tubular metal projectiles, with all those sophisticated electronic communications...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the pilots of the world&#8217;s air forces? I presume they would be subject to EMF, flying around as they do in tubular metal projectiles, with all those sophisticated electronic communications&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fighting_Sailor</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-13990</link>
		<dc:creator>Fighting_Sailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For well over half a century, sailors of the Royal Navy (and indeed many other maritime services around the world) have been wandering around in fairly strong EM fields created by RADAR and RF Communications.  The fact that ships are made of metal (usually) means that as they proceed to and from the upper-deck they would experience the symptoms of â€˜electrosensitivtyâ€™ coming and going (faraday cage, etc).  Clearly these debilitating symptoms would have affected work on the upper-deck and fighting effectiveness and thus led to a string of medical reports across the ships of the Fleet and across the years of sailors being affected in this way.  Similar clusters would have been reported by people living around dockyards where systems were trialled and set to work.  This mass of data would show convincingly that â€˜electrosensitivityâ€™ is a real issue - except that this data doesn&#039;t exist!  Exposure to EM fields at RF frequency is not new.  â€˜Electrosensitvityâ€™ is. Causality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For well over half a century, sailors of the Royal Navy (and indeed many other maritime services around the world) have been wandering around in fairly strong EM fields created by RADAR and RF Communications.  The fact that ships are made of metal (usually) means that as they proceed to and from the upper-deck they would experience the symptoms of â€˜electrosensitivtyâ€™ coming and going (faraday cage, etc).  Clearly these debilitating symptoms would have affected work on the upper-deck and fighting effectiveness and thus led to a string of medical reports across the ships of the Fleet and across the years of sailors being affected in this way.  Similar clusters would have been reported by people living around dockyards where systems were trialled and set to work.  This mass of data would show convincingly that â€˜electrosensitivityâ€™ is a real issue &#8211; except that this data doesn&#8217;t exist!  Exposure to EM fields at RF frequency is not new.  â€˜Electrosensitvityâ€™ is. Causality?</p>
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		<title>By: Jut</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/bmj-column-why-dont-journalists-mention-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-13986</link>
		<dc:creator>Jut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, would you happen to have a reference list of those 37 studies that you could post for those of us too lazy to trawl through the journals:p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, would you happen to have a reference list of those 37 studies that you could post for those of us too lazy to trawl through the journals:p</p>
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