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		<title>By: diudiu</title>
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		<dc:creator>diudiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that this country tries to get us to obay
every bit of EU regulation does it indeed in fact ignore the issue that modern technology does not comply to BSI EMC law::::::
Engineers intalling the stuff get nasty, if you question this fact that its against the law. That law however was not put in place to protect the human or animal/plant population, only so that the technology could function without interfereing with MoD equipment.

The MoD have known for sometime wind power has been interfereing with their RADAR systems.
The government have stop them closing Wind Turbines.

Most people are poor obervers of their environment let alone knowing they are being zapped. And on this basis they assume that those of us who know there are high levels of radiation in the area are mentally defective.

If logic could shout very loudly the only mentally
defection is on the part of the people who can`t see. Just like going down the mine shaft with or without a canary.. By the time the person without the canary sences have worked it out. They are probably beyond being saved from the mine shaft.(Gas)
Yet they shout that whatever its can`t get me or so it seems the next generation. Like any drug addict they, might in fact love the radiation, as it can over stiumlate the body and they can get a hype. (Without taking any chemical) combineing chemical toxins and electropollution can make it even better. The next generation may became oversensitive (like children who had parents who drank too much)&quot;They Blindly Go Where No Man Has Been Before; Or so They Think&quot;!

If you measure the radiation on a flat screen monitor and it only says 4 units: However if there 
is such a thing as a multi demensional reading of a
1000 units. Which would you believe was safe?

+ the fact you were unable to feel the energy:
Our equipment on the whole will be installed using a flat screen moniter: 
Know what your dealing with on all levels.

Don`t be a fool and think it safe if you can`t feel or see it. And know that government and industry have created a need for technology: If it was gone tomorrow, then what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that this country tries to get us to obay<br />
every bit of EU regulation does it indeed in fact ignore the issue that modern technology does not comply to BSI EMC law::::::<br />
Engineers intalling the stuff get nasty, if you question this fact that its against the law. That law however was not put in place to protect the human or animal/plant population, only so that the technology could function without interfereing with MoD equipment.</p>
<p>The MoD have known for sometime wind power has been interfereing with their RADAR systems.<br />
The government have stop them closing Wind Turbines.</p>
<p>Most people are poor obervers of their environment let alone knowing they are being zapped. And on this basis they assume that those of us who know there are high levels of radiation in the area are mentally defective.</p>
<p>If logic could shout very loudly the only mentally<br />
defection is on the part of the people who can`t see. Just like going down the mine shaft with or without a canary.. By the time the person without the canary sences have worked it out. They are probably beyond being saved from the mine shaft.(Gas)<br />
Yet they shout that whatever its can`t get me or so it seems the next generation. Like any drug addict they, might in fact love the radiation, as it can over stiumlate the body and they can get a hype. (Without taking any chemical) combineing chemical toxins and electropollution can make it even better. The next generation may became oversensitive (like children who had parents who drank too much)&#8221;They Blindly Go Where No Man Has Been Before; Or so They Think&#8221;!</p>
<p>If you measure the radiation on a flat screen monitor and it only says 4 units: However if there<br />
is such a thing as a multi demensional reading of a<br />
1000 units. Which would you believe was safe?</p>
<p>+ the fact you were unable to feel the energy:<br />
Our equipment on the whole will be installed using a flat screen moniter:<br />
Know what your dealing with on all levels.</p>
<p>Don`t be a fool and think it safe if you can`t feel or see it. And know that government and industry have created a need for technology: If it was gone tomorrow, then what?</p>
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		<title>By: BIOPROISASCAM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-20791</link>
		<dc:creator>BIOPROISASCAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GEORGE CARLO ABANDONS BIOPRO!

Total melt down and exodus from biopro begins – distributors, vendors and their most important alliance… George Carlo. Biopro’s best hope for credible verification gone! The best part, he has abandoned biopro and throwing them under the biopro bus in an ironic twist of truthful fate.

Read about it here: http://bioproisascam.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GEORGE CARLO ABANDONS BIOPRO!</p>
<p>Total melt down and exodus from biopro begins – distributors, vendors and their most important alliance… George Carlo. Biopro’s best hope for credible verification gone! The best part, he has abandoned biopro and throwing them under the biopro bus in an ironic twist of truthful fate.</p>
<p>Read about it here: <a href="http://bioproisascam.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">bioproisascam.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: retrolife</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-15573</link>
		<dc:creator>retrolife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biopro Scam-what makes you think I have anything to do with BioPro? Did I say I did? 
What I&#039;m saying is that the contributors to this board probably wouldn&#039;t know good science from good beer. If so, they wouldn;t be wasting time contributing-like I am doing right now.
So go ahead and trash people like Dr. Carlo and the like when you all probably have no idea what he has done, gone through and professionally and personally to bring the issue to the forefront. And BTW, Carlo has no financial interest in BioPro. He is not a distributor. They distribute his book, but he makes almost nothing from it. 
And I&#039;ll say it again. Use those cell phones to the utmost. Since they cause no damage and those who say they do are contributing to &quot;bad science&quot;, just call away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biopro Scam-what makes you think I have anything to do with BioPro? Did I say I did?<br />
What I&#8217;m saying is that the contributors to this board probably wouldn&#8217;t know good science from good beer. If so, they wouldn;t be wasting time contributing-like I am doing right now.<br />
So go ahead and trash people like Dr. Carlo and the like when you all probably have no idea what he has done, gone through and professionally and personally to bring the issue to the forefront. And BTW, Carlo has no financial interest in BioPro. He is not a distributor. They distribute his book, but he makes almost nothing from it.<br />
And I&#8217;ll say it again. Use those cell phones to the utmost. Since they cause no damage and those who say they do are contributing to &#8220;bad science&#8221;, just call away.</p>
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		<title>By: retrolife</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-15494</link>
		<dc:creator>retrolife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all you guys should use your cell phones as much as possible and fry your brains even more than they obviously already are.Just be good little sheep and believe what ever these nice people who sell you these nice cell phones tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all you guys should use your cell phones as much as possible and fry your brains even more than they obviously already are.Just be good little sheep and believe what ever these nice people who sell you these nice cell phones tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: art16</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-14895</link>
		<dc:creator>art16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, Dr. Carlo&#039;s exposition on electrosensitivity is very boring science fiction. I find &quot;The Thing&quot; as having more relevance to the human condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, Dr. Carlo&#8217;s exposition on electrosensitivity is very boring science fiction. I find &#8220;The Thing&#8221; as having more relevance to the human condition.</p>
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		<title>By: BIOPROSCAM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-14512</link>
		<dc:creator>BIOPROSCAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this Dr. goes even further by endorsing a company that CLAIMS they have the solution to EMF. Just more Bad Science! We have launched a site/blog to stop this Dr. and the, of course, MLM company fleecing the innocent and non-technical public. www.bioprotechnologyscam.com

This company Biopro offers outrageously priced products that can not be proven. In fact, with the help of the fraud Dr. they have launched their OWN 3rd party sites to validate their own claims!

The level of scam and fraud is unprecedented here and this Dr. / Trail Lawyer (make sense now knowing he’s a trial lawyer?) all need to be stopped and held accountable before another corporation is sued for trump accusations!

If you were scammed by Biopro then it is your duty to report them to the FTC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this Dr. goes even further by endorsing a company that CLAIMS they have the solution to EMF. Just more Bad Science! We have launched a site/blog to stop this Dr. and the, of course, MLM company fleecing the innocent and non-technical public. <a href="http://www.bioprotechnologyscam.com" rel="nofollow">www.bioprotechnologyscam.com</a></p>
<p>This company Biopro offers outrageously priced products that can not be proven. In fact, with the help of the fraud Dr. they have launched their OWN 3rd party sites to validate their own claims!</p>
<p>The level of scam and fraud is unprecedented here and this Dr. / Trail Lawyer (make sense now knowing he’s a trial lawyer?) all need to be stopped and held accountable before another corporation is sued for trump accusations!</p>
<p>If you were scammed by Biopro then it is your duty to report them to the FTC.</p>
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		<title>By: GrahamBM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-14434</link>
		<dc:creator>GrahamBM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those interested in hearing a live debate on the subject of wireless and health particularly as they pertain to use by children and in the education sector generally may like to know that Prof Mike Repacholi (author of the WHO report on wireless EMF) will be presenting a keynote at this years Handheld Learning 2007 Conference, Oct 10-12th, Westminster, London.

More info at:
http://www.handheldlearning2007.com

Dr Carlo may also be present as will other experts concerned with the use of wireless technologies in the education and schools sector.

The call for papers and presentation proposals is open until July 16th and early registration discounts are available until 31st July including subsidised places for eligible schools and charities. Media passes are also available.

The event is the worlds largest conference on mobility in learning drawing an audience of over 600 delegates.

The Guardian Link (the ICT in education supplement from the Guardian) is the media sponsor.

Graham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those interested in hearing a live debate on the subject of wireless and health particularly as they pertain to use by children and in the education sector generally may like to know that Prof Mike Repacholi (author of the WHO report on wireless EMF) will be presenting a keynote at this years Handheld Learning 2007 Conference, Oct 10-12th, Westminster, London.</p>
<p>More info at:<br />
<a href="http://www.handheldlearning2007.com" rel="nofollow">www.handheldlearning2007.com</a></p>
<p>Dr Carlo may also be present as will other experts concerned with the use of wireless technologies in the education and schools sector.</p>
<p>The call for papers and presentation proposals is open until July 16th and early registration discounts are available until 31st July including subsidised places for eligible schools and charities. Media passes are also available.</p>
<p>The event is the worlds largest conference on mobility in learning drawing an audience of over 600 delegates.</p>
<p>The Guardian Link (the ICT in education supplement from the Guardian) is the media sponsor.</p>
<p>Graham</p>
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		<title>By: alexandre</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexandre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom, 

&#039;Cpu&#039; stands for computer...
And well, obviously I was not using a CRT computer screen as I CANNOT USE THEM AT ALL. In both places there were only flat screen screens. It&#039;s just something else, such as the brand of the computer or screen, the fact that it is earth ground or not, etc...I don&#039;t know the reason really, I just tell you the facts.
And as for the photocopy machine, I always close the flap so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom, </p>
<p>&#8216;Cpu&#8217; stands for computer&#8230;<br />
And well, obviously I was not using a CRT computer screen as I CANNOT USE THEM AT ALL. In both places there were only flat screen screens. It&#8217;s just something else, such as the brand of the computer or screen, the fact that it is earth ground or not, etc&#8230;I don&#8217;t know the reason really, I just tell you the facts.<br />
And as for the photocopy machine, I always close the flap so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tom1</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexandre,

I&#039;m not sure that one can jump from an association of your symptoms with technology to your symptoms being cause by EMF. The flickering of the old CRT monitors can be very bad for headaches. Could the headaches not just be that you are unusually susceptible to the flickering of CRT screens? I checked EpilepsyAction (http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/employers/computers.html) who seem to feel that the big thing about LCD/TFT screens is that they don&#039;t flicker. Might this not be the trigger for your headaches? A photocopier machine is a pretty bright, flickery source of light, this may well fall into the same category.

Perhaps one of the medics on this forum can suggest an alternative cause for the rash.

I&#039;m not clear what a CPU screen is.

You say that you get tachycardia from your mobile phone. I hadn&#039;t heard of this before, but it sounds kind of different. Do mobile phones give you a headache? Do photocopier machines give you tachycardia?

Nothing about your symptoms strikes me as unreasonable. I&#039;m happy to accept that they may well be linked to technology. What I don&#039;t understand is why you are so sure that your symptoms are caused by EMF. As Ben points out ad nauseum, there have been ~30 published studies on this and the evidence is pretty solid that electrosensitivity does not exist. They could be wrong, but unless I&#039;m missing something, I don&#039;t see how you can feel so sure, particularly when it seems to me there are other explanations that don&#039;t have a bunch of research against them.

Again, I think we all acknowledge that these symptoms are real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexandre,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that one can jump from an association of your symptoms with technology to your symptoms being cause by EMF. The flickering of the old CRT monitors can be very bad for headaches. Could the headaches not just be that you are unusually susceptible to the flickering of CRT screens? I checked EpilepsyAction (<a href="http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/employers/computers.html" rel="nofollow">www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/employers/computers.html</a>) who seem to feel that the big thing about LCD/TFT screens is that they don&#8217;t flicker. Might this not be the trigger for your headaches? A photocopier machine is a pretty bright, flickery source of light, this may well fall into the same category.</p>
<p>Perhaps one of the medics on this forum can suggest an alternative cause for the rash.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not clear what a CPU screen is.</p>
<p>You say that you get tachycardia from your mobile phone. I hadn&#8217;t heard of this before, but it sounds kind of different. Do mobile phones give you a headache? Do photocopier machines give you tachycardia?</p>
<p>Nothing about your symptoms strikes me as unreasonable. I&#8217;m happy to accept that they may well be linked to technology. What I don&#8217;t understand is why you are so sure that your symptoms are caused by EMF. As Ben points out ad nauseum, there have been ~30 published studies on this and the evidence is pretty solid that electrosensitivity does not exist. They could be wrong, but unless I&#8217;m missing something, I don&#8217;t see how you can feel so sure, particularly when it seems to me there are other explanations that don&#8217;t have a bunch of research against them.</p>
<p>Again, I think we all acknowledge that these symptoms are real.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandre</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexandre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, 

The fact that I get massive headaches and skin rashes when I use a conventional CRT computer screen, a regular TV, a photocopy machine and of course a mobile phone (+tachycardia)...AND that I have got no symptoms at all when I use flat screen TVs or cpu screens kind of makes me think that the technology is involved...then obviously the EMF.

Last week again, simple fact, I went to a library to use a computer with Internet. I couldn&#039;t stay 5 min bcz of headaches. Then, straight after, I went to the cyber cafe I always go around the corner, and I stayed 2h in front of the computer. How am I supposed to explain it? 

Would you say that it&#039;s just a coincidence? that I maybe associate libraries to schools and therefore to a chaotic and stressful education that I have had in the past...and the relationship with my parents living in another country blah blah... Well I am sorry. I just believe it comes from the technology that I had in front of me at that time. As simple as that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, </p>
<p>The fact that I get massive headaches and skin rashes when I use a conventional CRT computer screen, a regular TV, a photocopy machine and of course a mobile phone (+tachycardia)&#8230;AND that I have got no symptoms at all when I use flat screen TVs or cpu screens kind of makes me think that the technology is involved&#8230;then obviously the EMF.</p>
<p>Last week again, simple fact, I went to a library to use a computer with Internet. I couldn&#8217;t stay 5 min bcz of headaches. Then, straight after, I went to the cyber cafe I always go around the corner, and I stayed 2h in front of the computer. How am I supposed to explain it? </p>
<p>Would you say that it&#8217;s just a coincidence? that I maybe associate libraries to schools and therefore to a chaotic and stressful education that I have had in the past&#8230;and the relationship with my parents living in another country blah blah&#8230; Well I am sorry. I just believe it comes from the technology that I had in front of me at that time. As simple as that!</p>
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		<title>By: Nanobot</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-14076</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What facts are being rejected alexandre? The fact that you are ill? No-one is disputing that. The fact that electromagnetic radiation causes your symptoms? Is that a fact? You yourself state that you aren&#039;t a scientist so I would ask how you know that your symptoms are caused by electromagnetic radiation?

I&#039;m afraid that scientists must be free to doubt, if not, then we would not be able to do any science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What facts are being rejected alexandre? The fact that you are ill? No-one is disputing that. The fact that electromagnetic radiation causes your symptoms? Is that a fact? You yourself state that you aren&#8217;t a scientist so I would ask how you know that your symptoms are caused by electromagnetic radiation?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that scientists must be free to doubt, if not, then we would not be able to do any science.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-14053</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a young man from France and I am suffering from the so-called &#039;electrosensitivity&#039; syndroma.

About 2 years ago, I have had to change career to work as a teacher in London in order to avoid working with a computer all day.

I don&#039;t know what to say, I am neither a scientific or a lobbyst or whoever with any kind of power. The only thing is that my symptoms are here, for no reason, at least none that I am aware of and nobody could cure me so far. If you knew me, you would see that I am not depressed, I am a very happy and enthusiastic person. But still, some people reject the facts and do not care at all about this fairly recent condition that is EHS.

What don&#039;t we meet up sometime in London? We could have a coffee or a beer and you would see by yourself that I am not an alien, that I am just a normal human being suffering from something you obviously do not know.

alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a young man from France and I am suffering from the so-called &#8216;electrosensitivity&#8217; syndroma.</p>
<p>About 2 years ago, I have had to change career to work as a teacher in London in order to avoid working with a computer all day.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what to say, I am neither a scientific or a lobbyst or whoever with any kind of power. The only thing is that my symptoms are here, for no reason, at least none that I am aware of and nobody could cure me so far. If you knew me, you would see that I am not depressed, I am a very happy and enthusiastic person. But still, some people reject the facts and do not care at all about this fairly recent condition that is EHS.</p>
<p>What don&#8217;t we meet up sometime in London? We could have a coffee or a beer and you would see by yourself that I am not an alien, that I am just a normal human being suffering from something you obviously do not know.</p>
<p>alex</p>
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		<title>By: Delster</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-13921</link>
		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ayupmeduck - that would be market penetration as opposed to depth.

The numbers of mobiles has certainly not tripled in the last 2 years, if they had, the networks would have collapsed... i&#039;m a telecoms engineer and i know what kind of network capacity margins are built into these things. They would have had to rebuild most of the fixed side of the mobile networks.

Re. the letter reproduced above
&quot;Pathology and experimental findings support a mechanistic underpinning: an environmentally induced genetic change that renders daughter cells to carry membrane sensitivity characteristics with most symptoms directly or indirectly the result of consequent disrupt of intercellular communication.&quot;

Is he claiming that the EM Radiation from mobiles / masts / wi-fi etc is strong enough to cause changes in DNA? or am i interpreting that wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ayupmeduck &#8211; that would be market penetration as opposed to depth.</p>
<p>The numbers of mobiles has certainly not tripled in the last 2 years, if they had, the networks would have collapsed&#8230; i&#8217;m a telecoms engineer and i know what kind of network capacity margins are built into these things. They would have had to rebuild most of the fixed side of the mobile networks.</p>
<p>Re. the letter reproduced above<br />
&#8220;Pathology and experimental findings support a mechanistic underpinning: an environmentally induced genetic change that renders daughter cells to carry membrane sensitivity characteristics with most symptoms directly or indirectly the result of consequent disrupt of intercellular communication.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is he claiming that the EM Radiation from mobiles / masts / wi-fi etc is strong enough to cause changes in DNA? or am i interpreting that wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: simongates</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-13908</link>
		<dc:creator>simongates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS nothing in Pubmed yet.  Do you think Dr Carlo was bullshitting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS nothing in Pubmed yet.  Do you think Dr Carlo was bullshitting?</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-13903</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Panorama cannot be expected to go into the level of detail on the science as say Horizon...&quot;

You mean no detail at all? Seems a fairly low bar. And, anyway, why not? It&#039;s a scientific question so the answer should be as detailed (and more importantly rigorous) as it needs to be to settle the matter. Why does the BBC insist on treating its viewers as morons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Panorama cannot be expected to go into the level of detail on the science as say Horizon&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean no detail at all? Seems a fairly low bar. And, anyway, why not? It&#8217;s a scientific question so the answer should be as detailed (and more importantly rigorous) as it needs to be to settle the matter. Why does the BBC insist on treating its viewers as morons?</p>
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		<title>By: simongates</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-13852</link>
		<dc:creator>simongates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a quick scout around pubmed for work by the &quot;eminent&quot; George Carlo.  I couldn&#039;t find much - just a review from 2000 about wireless phones and brain cancer (Carlo and Jenrow MedGenMEd 2: E40) and a paper from 1996 in Epidemiology that outlines the research questions.  The abstract of the 2000 review mentions peer- reviwed studies from the Wireless Technology Research Program, a &quot;7 year, $27 million dollar effort&quot;.  Couldn&#039;t find the publications from this huge research program - does anyone have the references?

I&#039;m assuming that these papers exist but I just can&#039;t find them.  Surely &quot;the world&#039;s foremost authority on wireless safety&quot; must have published loads on the subject??  otherwise he&#039;d be a complete charlatan wouldn&#039;t he??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a quick scout around pubmed for work by the &#8220;eminent&#8221; George Carlo.  I couldn&#8217;t find much &#8211; just a review from 2000 about wireless phones and brain cancer (Carlo and Jenrow MedGenMEd 2: E40) and a paper from 1996 in Epidemiology that outlines the research questions.  The abstract of the 2000 review mentions peer- reviwed studies from the Wireless Technology Research Program, a &#8220;7 year, $27 million dollar effort&#8221;.  Couldn&#8217;t find the publications from this huge research program &#8211; does anyone have the references?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming that these papers exist but I just can&#8217;t find them.  Surely &#8220;the world&#8217;s foremost authority on wireless safety&#8221; must have published loads on the subject??  otherwise he&#8217;d be a complete charlatan wouldn&#8217;t he??</p>
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		<title>By: ayupmeduck</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-13842</link>
		<dc:creator>ayupmeduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW: Just to add to the list of errors:

&quot;It is noteworthy that concurrently in the past 24 months, the penetration of mobile phones has tripled globally, from one billion to three billion&quot;

Not true that phone usage has grown so quick, best estimates are a bit less than 2.7bn now up from around 2bn 24 months ago (I know a man at SonyEricsson), but most other places will give similar numbers, or less. Not sure what &quot;penetration&quot; has to do with this either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW: Just to add to the list of errors:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is noteworthy that concurrently in the past 24 months, the penetration of mobile phones has tripled globally, from one billion to three billion&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true that phone usage has grown so quick, best estimates are a bit less than 2.7bn now up from around 2bn 24 months ago (I know a man at SonyEricsson), but most other places will give similar numbers, or less. Not sure what &#8220;penetration&#8221; has to do with this either.</p>
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		<title>By: randomas</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-13834</link>
		<dc:creator>randomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m really interested about in all this are studies on &quot;non thermal EMR effects&quot;. The point is that Thermal effects from WI-FI are negligible if compared with what comes out of a mobile phone (which does not necessarily mean that it&#039;s good for you anyway). What I&#039;d really like to know what kind of frequency responses our body, organs, bones and cells have, if they have been studied and compared with what we are systematically exposed to in everyday life (specially in urban areas). 

I haven&#039;t had a chance to go pubmed diving yet and I was wondering if anyone could point me to some good papers to start off with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m really interested about in all this are studies on &#8220;non thermal EMR effects&#8221;. The point is that Thermal effects from WI-FI are negligible if compared with what comes out of a mobile phone (which does not necessarily mean that it&#8217;s good for you anyway). What I&#8217;d really like to know what kind of frequency responses our body, organs, bones and cells have, if they have been studied and compared with what we are systematically exposed to in everyday life (specially in urban areas). </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had a chance to go pubmed diving yet and I was wondering if anyone could point me to some good papers to start off with.</p>
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		<title>By: gorky5</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/06/dr-george-carlo-responds-to-andrew-goldacre/comment-page-1/#comment-13831</link>
		<dc:creator>gorky5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben - don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m on your side. However, is it right that a letter to the editor of The Guardian has been reproduced on your blog, along with the author&#039;s telephone number and other contact information? Just wondering. I&#039;m presuming that Dr Carlo didn&#039;t give his permission for its publication here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben &#8211; don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m on your side. However, is it right that a letter to the editor of The Guardian has been reproduced on your blog, along with the author&#8217;s telephone number and other contact information? Just wondering. I&#8217;m presuming that Dr Carlo didn&#8217;t give his permission for its publication here.</p>
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