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	<title>Comments on: Testing Social Policy</title>
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		<title>By: prometheus</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-15437</link>
		<dc:creator>prometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies if any of this has been covered already, I just didn&#039;t have the energy to read all previous commnents. The first response to Ben&#039;s query re:doing RCTs of social policy would have to be &#039;what do you mean by social policy?&#039; Any further responses would depend very much on how social policy was defined. However, the fact is that there have been quite a number of RCTs of social policies in their broadest sense - I am currently conducting a systematic review of such policies. They were very popular in the US in the 60s and 70s, particularly in the field of housing. 

However, their use in this field is limited by ethical and practical concerns (How do you justify allocating an income maximisation intervention to only some of those who need it? How do you double or in many cases even single blind a social policy? It can be difficult to agree what the outcomes of interest are, and then to develop means of measuring these effectively etc etc) In many cases, researchers have agreed to adopt a next best approach, by using before and after designs of a single cohort (ie: just the intervention group.

Anyway, don&#039;t have access to any relevant links just now, but I know that the Campbell Collaboration have been involed in RCTs in a number of areas of soical policy (crime and education for example).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies if any of this has been covered already, I just didn&#8217;t have the energy to read all previous commnents. The first response to Ben&#8217;s query re:doing RCTs of social policy would have to be &#8216;what do you mean by social policy?&#8217; Any further responses would depend very much on how social policy was defined. However, the fact is that there have been quite a number of RCTs of social policies in their broadest sense &#8211; I am currently conducting a systematic review of such policies. They were very popular in the US in the 60s and 70s, particularly in the field of housing. </p>
<p>However, their use in this field is limited by ethical and practical concerns (How do you justify allocating an income maximisation intervention to only some of those who need it? How do you double or in many cases even single blind a social policy? It can be difficult to agree what the outcomes of interest are, and then to develop means of measuring these effectively etc etc) In many cases, researchers have agreed to adopt a next best approach, by using before and after designs of a single cohort (ie: just the intervention group.</p>
<p>Anyway, don&#8217;t have access to any relevant links just now, but I know that the Campbell Collaboration have been involed in RCTs in a number of areas of soical policy (crime and education for example).</p>
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		<title>By: rosieman</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-15344</link>
		<dc:creator>rosieman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep,

http://ann.sagepub.com/content/vol589/issue1/

I&#039;ve gotta admit I study politics and work as a research assistant for an international economist and I&#039;ve never come across a RCT in my day to day studies / work. There&#039;s also a general attitude amongst academics that they&#039;re &quot;impossible&quot; or nearly so in political science, and woe betide the academic or student who drops the word &quot;experiment&quot; into a paper. Political scientists don&#039;t experiment - they compare different policy options. 

As for &quot;evidence based policy making&quot; this usually seems to consist of commissioning a thinktank or academic to do a quick and dirty secondary literature review over the course of a couple of weeks, then releasing it with a misleading press statement if it conforms vaguely to the decision you&#039;ve already taken. If it doesn&#039;t it might surface in some form in a institutes working paper collection. 

Ah Politics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep,</p>
<p><a href="http://ann.sagepub.com/content/vol589/issue1/" rel="nofollow">ann.sagepub.com/content/vol589/issue1/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gotta admit I study politics and work as a research assistant for an international economist and I&#8217;ve never come across a RCT in my day to day studies / work. There&#8217;s also a general attitude amongst academics that they&#8217;re &#8220;impossible&#8221; or nearly so in political science, and woe betide the academic or student who drops the word &#8220;experiment&#8221; into a paper. Political scientists don&#8217;t experiment &#8211; they compare different policy options. </p>
<p>As for &#8220;evidence based policy making&#8221; this usually seems to consist of commissioning a thinktank or academic to do a quick and dirty secondary literature review over the course of a couple of weeks, then releasing it with a misleading press statement if it conforms vaguely to the decision you&#8217;ve already taken. If it doesn&#8217;t it might surface in some form in a institutes working paper collection. </p>
<p>Ah Politics!</p>
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		<title>By: evidencekagoul</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-15290</link>
		<dc:creator>evidencekagoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, that&#039;s the 3 RCTs sorted. Now, all we need is the actual data to back up the following hyperbolic statement: &quot;...there are very few RCTs, they are generally poorly performed and very small.&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, that&#8217;s the 3 RCTs sorted. Now, all we need is the actual data to back up the following hyperbolic statement: &#8220;&#8230;there are very few RCTs, they are generally poorly performed and very small.&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rosieman</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-15261</link>
		<dc:creator>rosieman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, there was a special issue of the The annals of the American academy of political and social science in 2003 on just this topic. For three random UK trials try this:

Using Random Allocation to Evaluate Social Interventions: Three Recent U.K. Examples

I&#039;ve sent you a PDF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, there was a special issue of the The annals of the American academy of political and social science in 2003 on just this topic. For three random UK trials try this:</p>
<p>Using Random Allocation to Evaluate Social Interventions: Three Recent U.K. Examples</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sent you a PDF.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-15227</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what three did he give? i hope it doesnt look aggressive to restate, i&#039;d really be interested to see 3 recent large, well conducted RCTs on social policy from the UK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what three did he give? i hope it doesnt look aggressive to restate, i&#8217;d really be interested to see 3 recent large, well conducted RCTs on social policy from the UK?</p>
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		<title>By: evidencekagoul</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-15225</link>
		<dc:creator>evidencekagoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidence anorak lists three (I think all of these have been reported in the BMJ but may be mistaken). I agree there is undoubtedly a dearth of social RCTs in the UK though, and the ratio of social to healthcare trials in general is remarkably low. e.g., there are &gt; half a million entries on the Cochrane central database, and about 10,000 on the campbell collaboration&#039;s equivalent. But it&#039;s a bit of a stretch from that, to the assumption that social policy trials are generally very small and poorly-performed - particulary as there are a small number of researchers in the UK  actually doing such difficult &amp; innovative RCTs (I&#039;m not one of them though)- e.g. SHARE, RIPPLE, ERA, day care, smoke alarms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidence anorak lists three (I think all of these have been reported in the BMJ but may be mistaken). I agree there is undoubtedly a dearth of social RCTs in the UK though, and the ratio of social to healthcare trials in general is remarkably low. e.g., there are &gt; half a million entries on the Cochrane central database, and about 10,000 on the campbell collaboration&#8217;s equivalent. But it&#8217;s a bit of a stretch from that, to the assumption that social policy trials are generally very small and poorly-performed &#8211; particulary as there are a small number of researchers in the UK  actually doing such difficult &amp; innovative RCTs (I&#8217;m not one of them though)- e.g. SHARE, RIPPLE, ERA, day care, smoke alarms</p>
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		<title>By: evidencekagoul</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-15102</link>
		<dc:creator>evidencekagoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. I&#039;m not totally convinced by Ben&#039;s claim (or &quot;hunch&quot; might be more accurate) that social policy trials are &quot;very small&quot; and &quot;generally&quot; poorly performed - this is based on what, Ben? I don&#039;t have to look at many Cochrane reviews to work out that &quot;medical&quot;  trials are also, er, small, and poorly performed. (That&#039;s apart from the ones that are large and poorly performed). Conversely, I don&#039;t have to look very far to find large, well-and-poorly performed trials of social policies. For exmaple, I have just taken a folder off the shelf behind me labelled &quot;Social experiments&quot; into which I stuff intersting papers describing &quot;social&quot; RCTs, in the hope of reading them before they moulder to dust. One (old) paper in that folder is by Bob Boruch whcih describes 300 RCTs carried out in schools, hospitals, prisons and other settings (Boruch et al. Evaluation Quarterly Nov 1978 pp654-697).
I&#039;ve another more recent report which suggests that there are &gt;10,000 &quot;social&quot; RCTs. Undoubtedly social policy experiments are much much less common than healthcare RCTs. But it&#039;s a bit of a leap to suggest from a quick trawl of the Campbell website that social policy RCTs are all very small and crap. I&#039;m overlooking here the implication (or is it a syllogism?) of Ben&#039;s last comment  that &quot;all trials are scientific...therefore all things that are scientific are trials&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. I&#8217;m not totally convinced by Ben&#8217;s claim (or &#8220;hunch&#8221; might be more accurate) that social policy trials are &#8220;very small&#8221; and &#8220;generally&#8221; poorly performed &#8211; this is based on what, Ben? I don&#8217;t have to look at many Cochrane reviews to work out that &#8220;medical&#8221;  trials are also, er, small, and poorly performed. (That&#8217;s apart from the ones that are large and poorly performed). Conversely, I don&#8217;t have to look very far to find large, well-and-poorly performed trials of social policies. For exmaple, I have just taken a folder off the shelf behind me labelled &#8220;Social experiments&#8221; into which I stuff intersting papers describing &#8220;social&#8221; RCTs, in the hope of reading them before they moulder to dust. One (old) paper in that folder is by Bob Boruch whcih describes 300 RCTs carried out in schools, hospitals, prisons and other settings (Boruch et al. Evaluation Quarterly Nov 1978 pp654-697).<br />
I&#8217;ve another more recent report which suggests that there are &gt;10,000 &#8220;social&#8221; RCTs. Undoubtedly social policy experiments are much much less common than healthcare RCTs. But it&#8217;s a bit of a leap to suggest from a quick trawl of the Campbell website that social policy RCTs are all very small and crap. I&#8217;m overlooking here the implication (or is it a syllogism?) of Ben&#8217;s last comment  that &#8220;all trials are scientific&#8230;therefore all things that are scientific are trials&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: evidenceanaorak</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-15041</link>
		<dc:creator>evidenceanaorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your stuff Ben, but how evidence based is it to contend that Dr Bird&#039;s would be the first UK based social policy trial ? Among those I can think of in the last few years are RCTs of daycare, smoke alarms, sex education. Trials may not be the only fruit, and need to be better planned in both clinical work and social policy, but there are some. People interested in the growth of research evidence-informed policy in education, social welfare and criminal justice might be interested to look up the Campbell Collaboration - sister collaboration to evidence-based medicine&#039;s Cochrane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your stuff Ben, but how evidence based is it to contend that Dr Bird&#8217;s would be the first UK based social policy trial ? Among those I can think of in the last few years are RCTs of daycare, smoke alarms, sex education. Trials may not be the only fruit, and need to be better planned in both clinical work and social policy, but there are some. People interested in the growth of research evidence-informed policy in education, social welfare and criminal justice might be interested to look up the Campbell Collaboration &#8211; sister collaboration to evidence-based medicine&#8217;s Cochrane.</p>
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		<title>By: jfdbob</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14979</link>
		<dc:creator>jfdbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a salient point made earlier that it can be very difficult to double-blind social policy interventions - the subjects tend to know whether or not they are in the intervention or control arm. 

However there is still a need to do better research. In particular we need to get better at setting out and measuring outcomes from social policies.

The real &#039;problem&#039; is not just of &#039; da meeja&#039;, but of democracy and the need for public policy decisions to be legitimate and accountable. Criminal justice is a good case, as mentioned above, where there there are conflicting objectives, other than maximising the Quality-Adjusted Life Years of a clinical trial.

Public policy theorists sometimes try to frame these conflicts using public value theory.

To turn the tables on medical research, are there lessons that you could learn from social research? For instance, do you take economic and social costs into account when considering the risk-benefit ratio for new interventions? Do you think about what patients and the public value in medicine?

Anyway, here is the Savings Gateway pilot mentioned at ippr that used random digit dialling to recruit participants. I haven&#039;t read it but the authors Ipsos Mori and Institute for Fiscal Studies have good reputations in the public policy field.

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/7/0/savings_gateway_evaluation_report.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a salient point made earlier that it can be very difficult to double-blind social policy interventions &#8211; the subjects tend to know whether or not they are in the intervention or control arm. </p>
<p>However there is still a need to do better research. In particular we need to get better at setting out and measuring outcomes from social policies.</p>
<p>The real &#8216;problem&#8217; is not just of &#8216; da meeja&#8217;, but of democracy and the need for public policy decisions to be legitimate and accountable. Criminal justice is a good case, as mentioned above, where there there are conflicting objectives, other than maximising the Quality-Adjusted Life Years of a clinical trial.</p>
<p>Public policy theorists sometimes try to frame these conflicts using public value theory.</p>
<p>To turn the tables on medical research, are there lessons that you could learn from social research? For instance, do you take economic and social costs into account when considering the risk-benefit ratio for new interventions? Do you think about what patients and the public value in medicine?</p>
<p>Anyway, here is the Savings Gateway pilot mentioned at ippr that used random digit dialling to recruit participants. I haven&#8217;t read it but the authors Ipsos Mori and Institute for Fiscal Studies have good reputations in the public policy field.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/7/0/savings_gateway_evaluation_report.pdf" rel="nofollow">www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/7/0/savings_gateway_evaluation_report.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: wilsontown</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14967</link>
		<dc:creator>wilsontown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a very interesting piece, especially in the light of the following Grauniad story:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,2130777,00.html

Now, I have to admit it&#039;s not exactly clear to me what&#039;s happening to the Science and technology committee, but there&#039;s surely not enough evidence in policy making as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a very interesting piece, especially in the light of the following Grauniad story:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,2130777,00.html" rel="nofollow">www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,2130777,00.html</a></p>
<p>Now, I have to admit it&#8217;s not exactly clear to me what&#8217;s happening to the Science and technology committee, but there&#8217;s surely not enough evidence in policy making as it is.</p>
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		<title>By: timsenior</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14958</link>
		<dc:creator>timsenior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then measure whatever outcomes you think are important &quot;

And surely there&#039;s the rub, at least in part.

In medicine, we tend to agree what outcomes are important - death, is pretty important and we&#039;ve developed some ways of measuring thing like quality of life and disability adjusted life years. We mostly know to criticise drug companies for choosing outcomes they know they can reach (which of you are interested in you LDL-C at 6 weeks after starting your statin, when you could have one that actually stops you dying as early as you might?)

The Daily Mail would presumably like an outcome of &quot;whatever would punish those crims the most&quot; inviting the prospect of a fun questionnaire survey (&quot;How would you rate the enjoyment of you time in jail? 1. Hugely enjoyable - would love to come back to 5. Hated it - let me out of here&quot;). Most of us reading this, it seems, would like an outcome of &quot;not going back to prison&quot;, &quot;getting a job&quot; or something. 

I&#039;m not saying that getting at these outcomes is impossible, but that it probably needs a lot of discussion and thinking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then measure whatever outcomes you think are important &#8221;</p>
<p>And surely there&#8217;s the rub, at least in part.</p>
<p>In medicine, we tend to agree what outcomes are important &#8211; death, is pretty important and we&#8217;ve developed some ways of measuring thing like quality of life and disability adjusted life years. We mostly know to criticise drug companies for choosing outcomes they know they can reach (which of you are interested in you LDL-C at 6 weeks after starting your statin, when you could have one that actually stops you dying as early as you might?)</p>
<p>The Daily Mail would presumably like an outcome of &#8220;whatever would punish those crims the most&#8221; inviting the prospect of a fun questionnaire survey (&#8220;How would you rate the enjoyment of you time in jail? 1. Hugely enjoyable &#8211; would love to come back to 5. Hated it &#8211; let me out of here&#8221;). Most of us reading this, it seems, would like an outcome of &#8220;not going back to prison&#8221;, &#8220;getting a job&#8221; or something. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that getting at these outcomes is impossible, but that it probably needs a lot of discussion and thinking about.</p>
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		<title>By: wewillfixit</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14904</link>
		<dc:creator>wewillfixit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can also associated with lack of allocation concealment.  True randomisation is always better than these quasi random allocation procedures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can also associated with lack of allocation concealment.  True randomisation is always better than these quasi random allocation procedures.</p>
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		<title>By: wewillfixit</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14901</link>
		<dc:creator>wewillfixit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are starting to confuse random allocation (to treatment/control group) with random sampling of the population...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are starting to confuse random allocation (to treatment/control group) with random sampling of the population&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14900</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On reflection - I&#039;m ex-directory myself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On reflection &#8211; I&#8217;m ex-directory myself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr* T</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14898</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr* T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben ben Ben, don&#039;t tease me so....

I&#039;m afraid Stats is not my strong point (as if anything is), but would you mind expanding on the last digit telephone number snippet from #21 - why such a school boy bogus method of randomisation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben ben Ben, don&#8217;t tease me so&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid Stats is not my strong point (as if anything is), but would you mind expanding on the last digit telephone number snippet from #21 &#8211; why such a school boy bogus method of randomisation?</p>
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		<title>By: fropome</title>
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		<dc:creator>fropome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oldfart: Actually, as I understand it, just about all experimentation in social research is done in the USA... they are much bigger fans of it than elsewhere- certainly than the UK. I mentioned the Scared Straight programs above, but you could also for example look up the Minneapolis domestic violence experiment, and it&#039;s follow ups elsewhere in the states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldfart: Actually, as I understand it, just about all experimentation in social research is done in the USA&#8230; they are much bigger fans of it than elsewhere- certainly than the UK. I mentioned the Scared Straight programs above, but you could also for example look up the Minneapolis domestic violence experiment, and it&#8217;s follow ups elsewhere in the states.</p>
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		<title>By: superburger</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14892</link>
		<dc:creator>superburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If all policies were evidence based......&quot;

Brave New World, etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If all policies were evidence based&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Brave New World, etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14891</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If all policies were evidence based, that wouldn&#039;t really leave politicians a lot to fight over would it?&quot;

Yes. They will fight over where they want to go. Only the best way to get there would be decided by research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If all policies were evidence based, that wouldn&#8217;t really leave politicians a lot to fight over would it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. They will fight over where they want to go. Only the best way to get there would be decided by research.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14889</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the feasibility studies are great, and ive had a poke around on places like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.campbellcollaboration.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;campbell collaboration&lt;/a&gt; (social policy equivalent of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cochrane.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cochrane&lt;/a&gt;) but does anyone have a back-of-an-envelope list of completed and published RCT&#039;s in social policy? especially UK ones. 

testament to the culture gap is this: someone at the IPPR yesterday remembered there had been an RCT on something, but after chatting more it turned out it used last telephone digit to randomise subjects into one group or another. 20,000 people in the study apparently (cant remember what it was on) but then they mess up by using a schoolboy bogus method of randomisation. 

too weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the feasibility studies are great, and ive had a poke around on places like the <a href="http://www.campbellcollaboration.org/" rel="nofollow">campbell collaboration</a> (social policy equivalent of <a href="http://www.cochrane.org/" rel="nofollow">cochrane</a>) but does anyone have a back-of-an-envelope list of completed and published RCT&#8217;s in social policy? especially UK ones. </p>
<p>testament to the culture gap is this: someone at the IPPR yesterday remembered there had been an RCT on something, but after chatting more it turned out it used last telephone digit to randomise subjects into one group or another. 20,000 people in the study apparently (cant remember what it was on) but then they mess up by using a schoolboy bogus method of randomisation. </p>
<p>too weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/07/462/comment-page-1/#comment-14888</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another RCT feasibility study at a prison: 
www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/rdsolr0303.pdf

Just for my 2p, there has been a lot of controversial research into the efficacy of restorative justice in the USA and Australia for different types of offender. The obvious problem with all the research is that it leads to a very publicly unpopular conclusion that different punishments may be more effective and cheaper for different inmates, i.e. male white inmates would get a custodial sentence, while female white inmates get restorative justice measures for the same offence - This rubs up against the public&#039;s view of fairness and punishment, despite the potential increase in efficacy/harm reduction. Look up &quot;Lawrence W. Sherman&quot; and the &quot;Jerry Lee Program in Randomized Controlled Trials of Restorative Justice&quot; on Google if interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another RCT feasibility study at a prison:<br />
<a href="http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/rdsolr0303.pdf" rel="nofollow">www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/rdsolr0303.pdf</a></p>
<p>Just for my 2p, there has been a lot of controversial research into the efficacy of restorative justice in the USA and Australia for different types of offender. The obvious problem with all the research is that it leads to a very publicly unpopular conclusion that different punishments may be more effective and cheaper for different inmates, i.e. male white inmates would get a custodial sentence, while female white inmates get restorative justice measures for the same offence &#8211; This rubs up against the public&#8217;s view of fairness and punishment, despite the potential increase in efficacy/harm reduction. Look up &#8220;Lawrence W. Sherman&#8221; and the &#8220;Jerry Lee Program in Randomized Controlled Trials of Restorative Justice&#8221; on Google if interested.</p>
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