Comments on: Loopy blog competition, and field reports from the GMC

By: diudiu

diudiu — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:37:49 +0000

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By: Phil A

Phil A — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:05:58 +0000

Coracle disappointingly misses the point re ”it being the government’s fault that MMR uptake fell because they didn’t offer single jabs. and in fact misrepresents the thrust of the piece.

However a more careful reading of the ‘pedestrian rant’ will hopefully make it more obvious that it doesn’t actually refer to MMR uptake falling because the authorities didn’t offer single jabs at all.

What it did mention was that it is more due to the ham-fisted attempted dragooning of parents, by the authorities in de-licensing the single jabs and making them very difficult to come by that the incidence of measles increased in the general population.

It was primarily aimed at the BBC’s science stats concerning it’s interpretation of the graphs being, less than what might be described as, ‘best practice’.

The rise in the incidence of measles was much more a, presumably unintended, consequence of the authorities policy in reaction to Dr Wakefield’s research and the concern it caused than to Dr Wakefield’s actual research. The rise would have been unlikely to happen if the authorities had handled things differently.

The implication of the BBC report was that the rise was entirely due to Dr Wakefield’s paper and that is not accurate.

And Ben thanks for the link also The Goebbels (German Minister for Public Enlightenment) reference was humorous, but making a point – if you think the cuddly Beeb doesn’t slant and subtly distort what it reports, from time to time, I fear you are mistaken. Look at the construction and semantic loading of some of their reports. Or the way they cut a recent report on Gordon Brown.

It’s strange. People often really do see what they expect rather than what is there…

By: pv

pv — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:45:05 +0000

factician @50

“They are deeply corrupt cess pit organisations structured purely to make as much money as possible from the sickness, distress and misfortune of others. Like all Illuminati cartels, they have no empathy with those who suffer from their daily exploitation.”

That describes the most of the UK press and all purveyors of quackery (Holford etc) perfectly.

By: raygirvan

raygirvan — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:06:23 +0000

pv> razz, I am a reader. Try looking at your blog through the eyes of a first time visitor I just looked, and agree with you. Re the post in question: if the false detail about thimerosal is being presented as a known-to-be false hypothetical within the scenario offered for thought, then the post fails to make that clear. As it stands, the implication is that the writer endorses it and is using it as the factual basis of the scenario.

By: pv

pv — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:52:56 +0000

jrazz said,

“July 18, 2007 at 1:10 pm

pv,

I never blamed the readers. I just pointed out that maybe you did not understand the format of my blog. It would be like me coming here and reporting back on my blog that this place is giving away a baby. Context is king my friend.”

jrazz, I am a reader. Try looking at your blog through the eyes of a first time visitor – from Mars, preferably.
Context might be everything, depending on the context of course! Of course if the “context” isn’t obvious… Try presentation.
As I said, good writers don’t blame the readers.

By: le canard noir

le canard noir — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:43:40 +0000

Ben is giving away a baby.

At least I hope. Otherwise all that googling has been a waste of time.

By: jrazz

jrazz — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:10:52 +0000

pv,

j razz
Blogged Down World

By: Ambrielle

Ambrielle — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:50:26 +0000

I was torn between [b]factician’s[/b] submission and the Vatican story, but anything that mentions an Illuminati conspiracy gets my vote!

By: Ben Goldacre

Ben Goldacre — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:11:01 +0000

fly moves with the icke link canard noir, its definitely a three horse race now.

By: le canard noir

le canard noir — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:54:41 +0000

Soft target, I know. But still worth highlighting…

What do they mean ‘despite serious ongoing violence in Iraq? Vaccination is serious ongoing violence against the immune system of these children. Oh yeah, and who brought the measles?

www.davidicke.com/content/view/6608/32/

UK GOVERNMENT KNEW THAT MMR VACCINE CAUSED MENINGITIS, BUT SANCTIONED ITS USE ON MORE THAN TWO MILLION CHILDREN.
ILLUMINATI DRUG GIANTS CONTINUE ITS USE IN “THIRD WORLD” By David Icke

curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=30&db=2&C0=735

David Icke defends his MMR fiasco quack doctor son

www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i21954

By: Mojo

Mojo — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:45:10 +0000

Daniel Rutter wrote (#2),

“Don’t miss their flow chart. It makes everything perfectly clear.”

They should stop eating cigarettes.

By: jrazz

jrazz — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:43:44 +0000

pv, I only quoted the article I linked to. There were no assertions made on my behalf. Read the article from which my synopsis came. You do not have to tell me that MMR is thimerosal free, I am aware of this. The FDA is very open about this here in America. Maybe if you understood the setup of my blog you would understand the purpose of the post sighted above. I post current events to promote discussion which allows for people to come to their own conclusions based on the facts and arguments of others. (much like we are doing here) My post was unbiased and a synopsis from the linked article on my post. I do not give my opinions, but I choose to ask probing questions to get my readers to think. Thanks for the dialogue pv. j razz

By: donkey-odie

donkey-odie — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:50:31 +0000

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but the original article stated that there are more male children than female ones that have autism. Is this correct?

If this is right, then has anyone investigated the environmental effects on the XY chromosomes of the father’s sperm of autistic children? It would seem to me that the father’s contribution to the problem of autism would account for this, especially if the ratio of male autistics to females are equal to or greater than 2 to 1. After all, there is only a single Y chromosome in males, but females have two Xs, so if the damage is recessive, the mother’s X might over-ride the damage.

I know that when my wife was wanting to be pregnant, she stopped drinking coffee and alcohol. I didn’t. Thankfully, we have lovely children, and grandchildren, but my son does have a learning disability – he is an arborist and climbs 100 foot trees to trim them.

By: Ben Goldacre

Ben Goldacre — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:21:07 +0000

heh that vatican one is certainly a strong contender for the MMR baby bib.

By: pv

pv — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:58:23 +0000

This thread has been very edifying and prompted me to plough through a load of Brian Deer’s stuff about Wakefield.
I hadn’t realised that Wakefield and the Royal Free had applied for patents for an alternative “safer” MMR vaccination back in ’96, I think. What with his extraordinary amount of dosh from the MMR litigation fund to “encourage” him to get the appropriate results it’s not to difficult to see what the plan might have been.
Foul mouthed psycho(logist)Carol Stott, a current Wakefield “partner in crime”, was exceedingly upset with Brian Deer as a result of what his investigation turned up, so I wonder if she might have had some interest in it too. Just wondering!
So, to recap, that was £430,000 or so for Wakefield and £100,000 for the psycho Stott for expert witness fees. And Wakefield’s patent application for a “safer” MMR vaccination. Not much to motivate them there, then.
And the anti-vax lobby always blather on about conspiracies. Andrew (sorry, Andy) Wakefield seems to resemble some of his American Evangelist friends in more ways than one.

By: pol

pol — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:16:52 +0000

Thanks for the links. Both for my own benefit and so I have something to pass on to other people.

jpmg

>>Pol:

Addressing, just for the moment, the question of MMR vs separate jabs.

What do you suppose are the risks involved in taking your child to a GP’s surgery three times rather than once?
>>>
absolutely f***ing awful. Place is a pigsty. Doesn’t mean that when half the media in this country gets its knickers in a collective twist I don’t get nervous enough to ask a question on a science website.

By: pv

pv — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:15:08 +0000

jrazz, your article states categorically that the MMR vaccine contains thiomersal. It has quite correctly been pointed out to you that your assertion is false. It has never contained any mercury component.

By: SteveNaive

SteveNaive — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:36:49 +0000

I’d vote for this last one – extraordinary and wide-ranging. I liked this quote
“Pasteurization of milk is named after Pasteur. This process involved heating milk until ALL the nutrients are boiled away. We are not allowed to drink real milk but the medical Inquisition lets us be vaccinated with diseased calf lymph.”

By: jrazz

jrazz — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:24:58 +0000

Ben Goldacre, I would like to know how your anonymous correspondent thought that my blog post on MMR fit the criteria and was worthy of the "award" posted here? The Link To The Post My post was unbiased and reporting on the lawsuit that was brought up. It had no pro or negative remarks given by me, the author. In fact, I even point out that no evidence has been given to date showing the link between the vaccines that did contain thimerosal and autism. Just curious if your correspondent even bothered to read my post. j razz Blogged Down World

By: Despard

Despard — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:47:26 +0000

Thanks Ben! *buys*

Some of those links are terrifying…