I have found this really late! I’m afraid the party’s already over, but I kind of agreed with what one of the respondents said that you seem a little prejudiced and I was wondering if you have tried “genuine ancient wisdom acupuncture”?

Just out of interest, because it seems a lot of debates on the net are between people who do not have first-hand experience and I think that is a pretty basic requirement for an informed discussion.

It’s a shame that no one seems to be able to discuss these subjects like adults. The first five or so comments usually seem to have at least a thin veneer of objectivity, but the best ones are at the end where everyone is name-calling and throwing hissy fits

I fear we may be rapidly losing audience share here.

By no means have you managed to offend me. In fact the very concept of offence gives me quite a lot of trouble, let alone when one is supposed to be discusssing science.

I merely wanted to illustrate that if you go around stating things about people you don’t know then you are likely from time to time to be quite wrong.

With regard to informative kinds of discussion I’m not sure I have much to add as you haven’t even attempted to respond to the specific points I made previously.

Dr Berdein. You may be a professional and at the top of your area in what western medicine teaches you. I believe that western medicine does not understand what kidney transplant does to people at a deep level, so they cannot instruct you on what happens in those situations. I don’t want to denigrate you at a personal level. I want to say that the western medical profession, and it’s practitioners, of which you are one, do not understand the human body at a deep level. So you cannot know how the things you do, such as kidney transplant, change the body at a deep level.

I would hope you would not take personal or professional offence, and that maybe an informative kind of discussion could take place between us. I could say what I believe, and you could pick it apart as an intellectual discussion, and not as payback on someone who has impugned your professional reputation.
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Hey Goldacre! You still there! I got you. Yes I do. I have you. Please read the article at this link.

tinyurl.com/38mha5

That article discusses Symmetry of the Human Body. That is what I talk about. I am of a mind that these men were influenced by me. I have spent the last 1 1/2 years at the Guardian trying to get some doctor or scientist to listen to me about Asymmetry of the Human Body and it’s effects on the health of the Human Body. My website has more than a few articles on Symmetry of the Human Body.

Last month an article on Symmetry of the Human Body was released. This month, here is another story on Symmetry of the Human Body.

I think I got through to those scientists and doctors. I think they read a comment of mine and were stimulated to investigate. If they didn’t investigate because they were stimulated by a post of mine, it does not matter. Their work is the beginnings of the evidence that will eventually prove that what I say is correct.

Get in on the ground floor, or wait until we are all famous and rich, and have it all figured out and written down in a simple linear way for you. The time period when you learn about Symmetry of the Human Body and it’s effects on the health of a human being is up to you.

I am guessing you are looking for a linear progression type of website? That is not me. I work by immersing people in ideas, then helping them to make connections between all the various ideas. What I do is confusing to people who can only think in a linear way.
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You say you are fascinated by what you read on the website? You want to be famous? I mean going down in history famous, not having your own website famous?

Figure out what I am saying. If you, or any other scientist for that matter, can figure out what I am saying, then convince the rest of the scientific community, we will change western medical history.

I am not like scientists. I am flexible. I can work with you or any other person that has difficulty understanding what I say. I won’t force you to do it my way. I will help you understand in a way that works for you.

I have absolute confidence that if I can find one of you scientists or doctors with patience and native intellect, that we can work out a way to translate what I have to say into the kind of language that scientists will accept.

If you are really a scientist, then you know this will not happen in 3 of my posts in your blog. Nor will it happen in days or weeks. It will probably take some time for complete understanding, just like taking 2 years of maths or science to ensure you get everything you are supposed to have.

You say you are a scientist dedicated to correcting bad science. Let’s both of us correct this bad science that is called “western medicine”. The amount of foolishness they push is truly mind boggling.

Or, if you are above it, send me one of your scientist buddies that does not have your good fortune to have a large website of their own. That friend of yours and I will go ahead and become world history famous, while you sit safely on the sidelines with your reputation intact.

I know there must be scientists out there hungry for fame. Talk to me. I will give you your fame. Money usually goes with fame, so if you want money, you will probably get that too.

www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,1664750,00.html#article_continue

The first is how his personal experience can reliable detect an effect that occurs in a small proportion of people, e.g. 1 in 3000, and secondly how it can detect an effect which my occur 30 years hence.

Furthermore perhaps he would like to pass comment on the data presented in this freely available editorial in Nephrology, Dialysis and Transplantation:

ndt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/18/5/871

I just spent last week looking after two donors and today tending to five recipients. Perhaps someone should tell them?

Dr Jody Aberdein BA MBBS DTMH MRCP

happeh, while your excellently incoherent theories about masturbation causing all kinds of medical problems are genuinely fascinating to me (and can i particularly recommend happeh.com but also www.angrypenis.org for the videos) i’m not sure that people will be able to indulge you here. good luck elsewhere though.

October 6, 2007 at 6:17 pm

“I cannot believe I am conversing with someone who thinks that is the proper way to have a scientific discussion…”

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I cannot believe I am conversing with someone who thinks that is the proper way to have a scientific discussion. Your emotional statements do nothing but make everyone uncomfortable. You could easily say “Why is Chinese Medicine special”, and we would all understand you.

The answer to your question pv, is that Chinese Medicine is based on a deeper knowledge of the human body than Western medicine has, or admits too. In all my exposure to Western Medicine, nothing I have seen makes me feel that Western Medicine knows how the human body works at a very deep level.

Because they don’t know how the human body works at a deep level, their entire medicine is suspect. They have failed to take into account phenomenon that have a direct bearing on the majority of human illnesses.

I think the fact that the Chinese developed this deep level knowledge of the body 1000′s of years ago, and modern technological medicine doesn’t know anything about it, makes Chinese Medicine pretty darn special.
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JodyaBerdein – I believe you probably mean well with your statements on kidney donation. I do not doubt the things you say might be true.

I also do not believe that you have enough understanding of the human body to say what you are saying. What you are doing is quoting what other people say. To me, that means you have no personal knowledge of your own with which to answer questions. Any question I have for you, you must tell me to wait while you go find the answers from the people who know.

I could explain exactly why kidney donation is bad. It is simple. Except for one thing. It will make no sense to you, because you never heard anything like it before. Your fellows will jeer and ridicule, and you will go with them, because what I say does not fit in with what other people say.

Even though it is strange, it is reality. And for anyone with the patience, perseverance and mental focus necessary for scientific investigation, I could show them many different pieces of corroborative evidence for what I would say.

I think a person who can discuss an issue from their own knowledge, instead of having to go to someone else as you have to, is a person who has more authority on a subject.

I could be wrong though. Maybe you should go ask someone?

www.ftcm.org.uk/neuroimaging.htm

FMRi and acupuncture

noi.strategyonline.com/documents/noi-explain-pain-evidence.pdf

explaining to people why they have persisting pain may also have lasting ‘central effects’ and also improve function .

www.paulekman.com/

Paul Ekman has done more studies on emotion than most –his papers are available to download.