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		<title>By: kerledan</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-27710</link>
		<dc:creator>kerledan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A headline article in Thursday&#039;s Cambridge News: &#039;Eco-bulbs are a risk to health&#039;. Apparently, the source is &#039;The Bio Electromagnetic Research Institute&#039;.

A bit of digging finds the &#039;Bio Electromagnetic Resource Initiative.&#039; A fascinating list of people can be seen at http://bemri.org/archive/hese-uk/en/heseuk/who.php

I saw the name &#039;Roger Coghill&#039;, and it struck a cord. Or a nerve perhaps. Roger features elsewhere in Bad Science not least because of work quoted in connection with the Bridgend suicides And then I found Alasdair Philips, who has been involved with Powerwatch.

You can read the not-so-good article here: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_cambridge/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=446064

Fellow readers may enjoy doing more digging. I&#039;ll post this also in the Bad Science forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A headline article in Thursday&#8217;s Cambridge News: &#8216;Eco-bulbs are a risk to health&#8217;. Apparently, the source is &#8216;The Bio Electromagnetic Research Institute&#8217;.</p>
<p>A bit of digging finds the &#8216;Bio Electromagnetic Resource Initiative.&#8217; A fascinating list of people can be seen at <a href="http://bemri.org/archive/hese-uk/en/heseuk/who.php" rel="nofollow">bemri.org/archive/hese-uk/en/heseuk/who.php</a></p>
<p>I saw the name &#8216;Roger Coghill&#8217;, and it struck a cord. Or a nerve perhaps. Roger features elsewhere in Bad Science not least because of work quoted in connection with the Bridgend suicides And then I found Alasdair Philips, who has been involved with Powerwatch.</p>
<p>You can read the not-so-good article here: <a href="http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_cambridge/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=446064" rel="nofollow">www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_cambridge/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=446064</a></p>
<p>Fellow readers may enjoy doing more digging. I&#8217;ll post this also in the Bad Science forums.</p>
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		<title>By: Harlequin</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-19422</link>
		<dc:creator>Harlequin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mobile phone insomnia
22/01/2008

A study funded by mobile phone companies has suggested that radiation from handsets can cause insomnia, headaches and confusion in users.

http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=conWebDoc.17046</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mobile phone insomnia<br />
22/01/2008</p>
<p>A study funded by mobile phone companies has suggested that radiation from handsets can cause insomnia, headaches and confusion in users.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=conWebDoc.17046" rel="nofollow">www.bcs.org/server.php?show=conWebDoc.17046</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mitton</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17800</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there really no journalists who understand the difference between Microwaves and UHF? If there are, why do none of them point out that mobile phones don&#039;t use microwave frequencies? If they did use them, they wouldn&#039;t work indoors, would they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there really no journalists who understand the difference between Microwaves and UHF? If there are, why do none of them point out that mobile phones don&#8217;t use microwave frequencies? If they did use them, they wouldn&#8217;t work indoors, would they?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you sell Bacofoil at £10 a metre and run a non-profit organisation?

And... the mobile phone industry isn&#039;t monolithic.  Won&#039;t there be competition between companies to sell the least harmful product?

Like Edison reputedly boosting his direct-current electric business by promoting the alternating-current electric chair, and electrocuting dogs with AC in demonstrations.  But I might have made that up.

Unfortunately there is no way to claim legally that your phone product is less harmful than the other guy&#039;s in terms of radio wave radiation, because no one has found any measurable harm.

Then again... I suppose the tobacco industry is a possible counter-example.  However, there was actual evidence against their product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you sell Bacofoil at £10 a metre and run a non-profit organisation?</p>
<p>And&#8230; the mobile phone industry isn&#8217;t monolithic.  Won&#8217;t there be competition between companies to sell the least harmful product?</p>
<p>Like Edison reputedly boosting his direct-current electric business by promoting the alternating-current electric chair, and electrocuting dogs with AC in demonstrations.  But I might have made that up.</p>
<p>Unfortunately there is no way to claim legally that your phone product is less harmful than the other guy&#8217;s in terms of radio wave radiation, because no one has found any measurable harm.</p>
<p>Then again&#8230; I suppose the tobacco industry is a possible counter-example.  However, there was actual evidence against their product.</p>
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		<title>By: SDensley</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17672</link>
		<dc:creator>SDensley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick comparison folks… Powerwatch point to research that says mobile phone radiation is dangerous and offer to sell us products to shield us from it, making perhaps a small profit (although I understand they are a non-profit organisation) and we decry their outrageous conflict of interest. Meanwhile the mobile phone industry point to research that says it is not harmful, much of it funded by themselves, so they can continue selling products that rely on this radiation, making billions of pounds in profits every year and we don’t think this represents a conflict of interest at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick comparison folks… Powerwatch point to research that says mobile phone radiation is dangerous and offer to sell us products to shield us from it, making perhaps a small profit (although I understand they are a non-profit organisation) and we decry their outrageous conflict of interest. Meanwhile the mobile phone industry point to research that says it is not harmful, much of it funded by themselves, so they can continue selling products that rely on this radiation, making billions of pounds in profits every year and we don’t think this represents a conflict of interest at all!</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17429</link>
		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you suspect that you, or members of your family, may be experiencing health problems as a result of mast exposure, you can protect them from microwaves coming into your home, with the material you can see in the picture. It stops over 99% of incoming microwave radiation from 2G, 3G and TETRA systems.&quot;

Note, it doesn&#039;t say anywhere to get yourself checked out by someone suitably qualified; your GP, say, or a neurologist. Only if you suspect something. Who cares if you are suffering from anything as long as you are gullible enough to buy their stuff? Sick making vultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you suspect that you, or members of your family, may be experiencing health problems as a result of mast exposure, you can protect them from microwaves coming into your home, with the material you can see in the picture. It stops over 99% of incoming microwave radiation from 2G, 3G and TETRA systems.&#8221;</p>
<p>Note, it doesn&#8217;t say anywhere to get yourself checked out by someone suitably qualified; your GP, say, or a neurologist. Only if you suspect something. Who cares if you are suffering from anything as long as you are gullible enough to buy their stuff? Sick making vultures.</p>
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		<title>By: Jut</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17426</link>
		<dc:creator>Jut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a campaign to inform the VAT office maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a campaign to inform the VAT office maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: BobP</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17423</link>
		<dc:creator>BobP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually there&#039;s some disingenuous wording in the news release -
&quot;According to the VAT office’s definition of a disability, the symptoms most commonly reported by sufferers of EHS have a significant effect on people’s lives....&quot;
[so far it&#039;s OK, they are only talking about symptoms]
&quot;...and therefore they classify EHS as a disability.&quot;
This bit is not correct - the VAT office (HMRC) do not have any list like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually there&#8217;s some disingenuous wording in the news release -<br />
&#8220;According to the VAT office’s definition of a disability, the symptoms most commonly reported by sufferers of EHS have a significant effect on people’s lives&#8230;.&#8221;<br />
[so far it's OK, they are only talking about symptoms]<br />
&#8220;&#8230;and therefore they classify EHS as a disability.&#8221;<br />
This bit is not correct &#8211; the VAT office (HMRC) do not have any list like this.</p>
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		<title>By: rongraves</title>
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		<dc:creator>rongraves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3 I&#039;m sure there’s got to be something in tax law about misrepresenting yourself to the VATman to get your products zero-rated!

Yes, indeed there is. As a disabled guy I have to declare my disabilities on every VAT exemption form I complete (and it IS exemption, NOT zero-rating). Anyone making a false declaration is liable to prosecution. I don&#039;t know for sure, but I think the only way disability VAT exemption claims could be verified is by comparing them with disability benefits records. That, or no-one checks and it doesn&#039;t matter what you put on the form!

Note: for the record, if a product is zero-rated, NOBODY pays VAT on it - as with food and (I believe), kids&#039; clothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 I&#8217;m sure there’s got to be something in tax law about misrepresenting yourself to the VATman to get your products zero-rated!</p>
<p>Yes, indeed there is. As a disabled guy I have to declare my disabilities on every VAT exemption form I complete (and it IS exemption, NOT zero-rating). Anyone making a false declaration is liable to prosecution. I don&#8217;t know for sure, but I think the only way disability VAT exemption claims could be verified is by comparing them with disability benefits records. That, or no-one checks and it doesn&#8217;t matter what you put on the form!</p>
<p>Note: for the record, if a product is zero-rated, NOBODY pays VAT on it &#8211; as with food and (I believe), kids&#8217; clothing.</p>
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		<title>By: BobP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The criteria as far as the taxman is concerned are -

a) the device must be useable solely as a therapeutic device (whether or not it works is irrelevant) 
b) the buyer must be disabled

This form of tax relief applies to a wide range of devices and the majority of them are familiar to us - zimmer frames for example. The taxman is not in the business of deciding whether or not something works.

However the buyer has to be chronically ill or disabled, and he has to sign a declaration in order to get the discounted price. I don&#039;t think that anyone in the UK has been properly diagnosed by a qualified medical practitioner as disabled because of Electrical Hypersensitivity, so it is possible that no-one will ever be able to apply for tax relief legitimately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The criteria as far as the taxman is concerned are -</p>
<p>a) the device must be useable solely as a therapeutic device (whether or not it works is irrelevant)<br />
b) the buyer must be disabled</p>
<p>This form of tax relief applies to a wide range of devices and the majority of them are familiar to us &#8211; zimmer frames for example. The taxman is not in the business of deciding whether or not something works.</p>
<p>However the buyer has to be chronically ill or disabled, and he has to sign a declaration in order to get the discounted price. I don&#8217;t think that anyone in the UK has been properly diagnosed by a qualified medical practitioner as disabled because of Electrical Hypersensitivity, so it is possible that no-one will ever be able to apply for tax relief legitimately.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonKiddy</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17416</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonKiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not related at all really, but I ride a motorcycle and am *forced* to wear safety equipment (a helmet which I would actually choose to wear...) which is NOT zero VAT rated.
How can this tosh be zero Vat rated when something that actually saves/protects lives isn&#039;t?
Bah humbug!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not related at all really, but I ride a motorcycle and am *forced* to wear safety equipment (a helmet which I would actually choose to wear&#8230;) which is NOT zero VAT rated.<br />
How can this tosh be zero Vat rated when something that actually saves/protects lives isn&#8217;t?<br />
Bah humbug!</p>
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		<title>By: marcdraco</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17415</link>
		<dc:creator>marcdraco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve already got a bullshit detector - came free with my copy of Carl Sagan&#039;s Demon Haunted World and served me very well. Requires a certain degree of intelligence to use and the ability not to take things at face value, so it&#039;s not for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already got a bullshit detector &#8211; came free with my copy of Carl Sagan&#8217;s Demon Haunted World and served me very well. Requires a certain degree of intelligence to use and the ability not to take things at face value, so it&#8217;s not for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: boatie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17414</link>
		<dc:creator>boatie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mental leap from VAT registration status to goverment recognised disability is quite beyond me. If I could jump that far I would be in the olympics.

Maybe the O rate is because there is no &quot;value&quot;?

How about a badscience bullshit detecting  device that barks (or quacks) whenever it hears the words &quot;quantum&quot;, &quot;field&quot; and &quot;resonance&quot; in the same sentence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mental leap from VAT registration status to goverment recognised disability is quite beyond me. If I could jump that far I would be in the olympics.</p>
<p>Maybe the O rate is because there is no &#8220;value&#8221;?</p>
<p>How about a badscience bullshit detecting  device that barks (or quacks) whenever it hears the words &#8220;quantum&#8221;, &#8220;field&#8221; and &#8220;resonance&#8221; in the same sentence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Craddock</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Craddock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a Christmas film where a judge declares an old man to be Santa because the post office delivered Santa&#039;s post to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a Christmas film where a judge declares an old man to be Santa because the post office delivered Santa&#8217;s post to him.</p>
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		<title>By: zeno</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17411</link>
		<dc:creator>zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marcdraco said: &quot;and sell some b/s item that cures everything; an electronic bible perhaps&quot;

An excellent idea! I&#039;m up for it - we&#039;ll make a killing (or is that the wrong word?). However, you&#039;ll need to add the word &#039;quantum&#039; in there somewhere to make it respectable. &#039;Quantum Electronic Bible&#039;, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marcdraco said: &#8220;and sell some b/s item that cures everything; an electronic bible perhaps&#8221;</p>
<p>An excellent idea! I&#8217;m up for it &#8211; we&#8217;ll make a killing (or is that the wrong word?). However, you&#8217;ll need to add the word &#8216;quantum&#8217; in there somewhere to make it respectable. &#8216;Quantum Electronic Bible&#8217;, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: zeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt the taxman is the arbiter of disabilities! Surely, the Department of Health must have a say in this and there must be some rules to protect the public from this nonsense?

I wonder what the taxman actually said?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the taxman is the arbiter of disabilities! Surely, the Department of Health must have a say in this and there must be some rules to protect the public from this nonsense?</p>
<p>I wonder what the taxman actually said?</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/buy-your-powerwatch-goodies-today/comment-page-1/#comment-17408</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure there&#039;s got to be something in tax law about misrepresenting yourself to the VATman to get your products zero-rated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s got to be something in tax law about misrepresenting yourself to the VATman to get your products zero-rated!</p>
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		<title>By: marcdraco</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcdraco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sucks as long as you&#039;re not running he company Jackpt! There&#039;s wise investment going into some of this pseudoscience. I often feel that I should swallow my own pride and sell some b/s item that cures everything; an electronic bible perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sucks as long as you&#8217;re not running he company Jackpt! There&#8217;s wise investment going into some of this pseudoscience. I often feel that I should swallow my own pride and sell some b/s item that cures everything; an electronic bible perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: jackpt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackpt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for psychophysiologic illness being considered a disability. But giving a company that may help prolong such conditions zero VAT status sucks.</description>
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