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	<title>Comments on: Madeleine McCann, the Observer, and their special magic quantum DNA box (with secret energy source)</title>
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		<title>By: diudiu</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-30222</link>
		<dc:creator>diudiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17455</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just sympathetic magic.  Same as voodoo.  Probably in Macbeth.  Take some of the victim&#039;s hair or nail clippings and you can voodoo the person.  So it doesn&#039;t really belong to Pullman.  Now if Dr Detecto markets an alethiometer, they&#039;ve got him without a leg to stand on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just sympathetic magic.  Same as voodoo.  Probably in Macbeth.  Take some of the victim&#8217;s hair or nail clippings and you can voodoo the person.  So it doesn&#8217;t really belong to Pullman.  Now if Dr Detecto markets an alethiometer, they&#8217;ve got him without a leg to stand on.</p>
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		<title>By: Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17405</link>
		<dc:creator>Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many years ago Viz did a spoof column called &quot;The Barefaced liar&quot;
It was hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago Viz did a spoof column called &#8220;The Barefaced liar&#8221;<br />
It was hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17401</link>
		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Tao-er of Power”


Haaa ha ha... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Tao-er of Power”</p>
<p>Haaa ha ha&#8230; <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17400</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice spot Aletheia. Which of the trilogy is that in?

Do you suppose we could persuade Pullman to sue Danie &quot;corpse dowser&quot; Krugel for stealing his idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice spot Aletheia. Which of the trilogy is that in?</p>
<p>Do you suppose we could persuade Pullman to sue Danie &#8220;corpse dowser&#8221; Krugel for stealing his idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Ambrielle</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17391</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambrielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too, was unaware of that BD thread. Fantastic! I wish I&#039;d known at the time.
I like the &quot;Darkness Remover [i]candle[/i]&quot; which he apparently peddles. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too, was unaware of that BD thread. Fantastic! I wish I&#8217;d known at the time.<br />
I like the &#8220;Darkness Remover [i]candle[/i]&#8221; which he apparently peddles. <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cvb</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17384</link>
		<dc:creator>cvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That barefoot doctor post is truly outstanding. Not being an Observer reader I was not aware of this tosspot. When was his column excised?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That barefoot doctor post is truly outstanding. Not being an Observer reader I was not aware of this tosspot. When was his column excised?</p>
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		<title>By: Aletheia</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17382</link>
		<dc:creator>Aletheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the only link to Pullman. His Dark Materials features a *quantum bomb* that uses snipped off hair, placed in a mysterious box, to locate someone in another universe. Remind you of anyone? Of course, Pullman&#039;s writing FICTION...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the only link to Pullman. His Dark Materials features a *quantum bomb* that uses snipped off hair, placed in a mysterious box, to locate someone in another universe. Remind you of anyone? Of course, Pullman&#8217;s writing FICTION&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17377</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read some of that Barefoot Doctor link - truly a resource to treasure, thanks Bolly.

Perhaps someone ought to mirror it somewhere in case the Graun get wise to its renewed fame and take it down?

I always thought they missed a trick calling him the &quot;Barefoot Doctor&quot;. In the light of his later infamy I think it should have been 

&quot;Tantric Sex Machine&quot;

or more allusively:

&quot;Tao-er of Power&quot;

Taking Barefoot as an example, perhaps Danie Krugel could be re-christened the &quot;Barefaced (lying) Detective&quot;.

 But only if he shaves off the HairBear &#039;tache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read some of that Barefoot Doctor link &#8211; truly a resource to treasure, thanks Bolly.</p>
<p>Perhaps someone ought to mirror it somewhere in case the Graun get wise to its renewed fame and take it down?</p>
<p>I always thought they missed a trick calling him the &#8220;Barefoot Doctor&#8221;. In the light of his later infamy I think it should have been </p>
<p>&#8220;Tantric Sex Machine&#8221;</p>
<p>or more allusively:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tao-er of Power&#8221;</p>
<p>Taking Barefoot as an example, perhaps Danie Krugel could be re-christened the &#8220;Barefaced (lying) Detective&#8221;.</p>
<p> But only if he shaves off the HairBear &#8216;tache.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17374</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of &quot;dark cynicism&quot;. 

Any relation to &quot;dark matter&quot;, as in Phillip Pullman&#039;s excellent &lt;i&gt;His Dark Materials&lt;/i&gt;

Dark times indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of &#8220;dark cynicism&#8221;. </p>
<p>Any relation to &#8220;dark matter&#8221;, as in Phillip Pullman&#8217;s excellent <i>His Dark Materials</i></p>
<p>Dark times indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Diotima</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17371</link>
		<dc:creator>Diotima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes John barleycorn: the dialogue with BD restored my faith in human nature with its impressive niagara of dark cynicism. Many thanks to the person who pointed that this thread was;&#039;slightly agressive&#039; and suggested that contributors should  all &#039;form a circle and begin a healing chant&#039;. You saved my life at 4 a.m.I assure you that reading this ended one of the worst asthma episodes of my life. Perhaps Glaxo-Wellcome could get out and patent/fund dark or medium dark cynicism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes John barleycorn: the dialogue with BD restored my faith in human nature with its impressive niagara of dark cynicism. Many thanks to the person who pointed that this thread was;&#8217;slightly agressive&#8217; and suggested that contributors should  all &#8216;form a circle and begin a healing chant&#8217;. You saved my life at 4 a.m.I assure you that reading this ended one of the worst asthma episodes of my life. Perhaps Glaxo-Wellcome could get out and patent/fund dark or medium dark cynicism?</p>
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		<title>By: john barleycorn</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17368</link>
		<dc:creator>john barleycorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The barefoot doctor chat linked to above is truly hilarious and a thumping good read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The barefoot doctor chat linked to above is truly hilarious and a thumping good read!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Senior</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17366</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Senior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know who is the bigger fuckwit - Danie, for using Madeline to peddle his lies, or the various editors who approved these stories.

Actually I do. It&#039;s the editors. They are all cretins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know who is the bigger fuckwit &#8211; Danie, for using Madeline to peddle his lies, or the various editors who approved these stories.</p>
<p>Actually I do. It&#8217;s the editors. They are all cretins.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17362</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t believe that the McCanns really have anything to do with White-Man-Science Witch-Doctor.  The McCanns are a giant newspaper Not-True Zone.  I&#039;m not quite convinced they exist at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t believe that the McCanns really have anything to do with White-Man-Science Witch-Doctor.  The McCanns are a giant newspaper Not-True Zone.  I&#8217;m not quite convinced they exist at all.</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17360</link>
		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>misterjohn said,

October 9, 2007 at 7:17 pm

&quot;I find it somewhat disturbing that even though the McCanns are doctors, they are willing to believe an obvious charlatan. It’s true that the loss of a child under any circumstances affects the parents’ mental state, but there remains some rationality, surely?&quot;

Maybe one should be suspicious rather than disturbed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>misterjohn said,</p>
<p>October 9, 2007 at 7:17 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;I find it somewhat disturbing that even though the McCanns are doctors, they are willing to believe an obvious charlatan. It’s true that the loss of a child under any circumstances affects the parents’ mental state, but there remains some rationality, surely?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe one should be suspicious rather than disturbed.</p>
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		<title>By: misterjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17358</link>
		<dc:creator>misterjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it somewhat disturbing that even though the McCanns are doctors, they are willing to believe an obvious charlatan. It&#039;s true that the loss of a child under any circumstances affects the parents&#039; mental state, but there remains some rationality, surely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it somewhat disturbing that even though the McCanns are doctors, they are willing to believe an obvious charlatan. It&#8217;s true that the loss of a child under any circumstances affects the parents&#8217; mental state, but there remains some rationality, surely?</p>
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		<title>By: woodchopper</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-2/#comment-17356</link>
		<dc:creator>woodchopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moonflake is absolutely correct and is also quite shy. 

Moonflake&#039;s blogging on the Krugel stroy is excellent and is an example of how a blog can cover a stroy much better than the traditional media. 

The blog can be found here: http://moonflake.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moonflake is absolutely correct and is also quite shy. </p>
<p>Moonflake&#8217;s blogging on the Krugel stroy is excellent and is an example of how a blog can cover a stroy much better than the traditional media. </p>
<p>The blog can be found here: <a href="http://moonflake.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://moonflake.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bogusman</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-1/#comment-17355</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogusman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah the barefoot doctor. Mercifully I had forgotten all about him but this thread has reminded me. He once appeared on BBC London (Vanessa I think) and I emailed a complaint while he was on the air. To his credit the producer emailed me back immediately and asked exactly what I was upset about. When I replied that he was giving air time to a dangerous lunatic who could kill his listeners if they were to take im seriously I didn&#039;t hear any more.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah the barefoot doctor. Mercifully I had forgotten all about him but this thread has reminded me. He once appeared on BBC London (Vanessa I think) and I emailed a complaint while he was on the air. To his credit the producer emailed me back immediately and asked exactly what I was upset about. When I replied that he was giving air time to a dangerous lunatic who could kill his listeners if they were to take im seriously I didn&#8217;t hear any more&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: moonflake</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-1/#comment-17354</link>
		<dc:creator>moonflake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The claim in the last article that Danie&#039;s device found the remains of the 6 missing girls in the Van Rooyen case is an outright lie. He and local journalists found human bone fragments, amongst pig, dog, cat, chicken and other detritus, in an abandoned lot near Van Rooyen&#039;s house (that was once a dump), after digging for days in two football field sized areas. Tests of the fragments identified most as male, some as female, of unknown origin, belonging to humans who had died at an unknown age, an unknown amount of time ago, of unknown causes, and too degraded to match to DNA samples of the girls. I would be surprised to dig anywhere in the occupied world and not find something similar. 

Danie also claims his device finds living people, so it doesn&#039;t really have anything to do with corpses. He also claims his device can find diamonds and oil. Finally, he is able to extract DNA from hair clippings found in shaving razors, i.e. the kind that has no root attached. He has also only very recently begun claiming it&#039;s all quantum. It would all be rather funny if people like the McCanns weren&#039;t falling for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The claim in the last article that Danie&#8217;s device found the remains of the 6 missing girls in the Van Rooyen case is an outright lie. He and local journalists found human bone fragments, amongst pig, dog, cat, chicken and other detritus, in an abandoned lot near Van Rooyen&#8217;s house (that was once a dump), after digging for days in two football field sized areas. Tests of the fragments identified most as male, some as female, of unknown origin, belonging to humans who had died at an unknown age, an unknown amount of time ago, of unknown causes, and too degraded to match to DNA samples of the girls. I would be surprised to dig anywhere in the occupied world and not find something similar. </p>
<p>Danie also claims his device finds living people, so it doesn&#8217;t really have anything to do with corpses. He also claims his device can find diamonds and oil. Finally, he is able to extract DNA from hair clippings found in shaving razors, i.e. the kind that has no root attached. He has also only very recently begun claiming it&#8217;s all quantum. It would all be rather funny if people like the McCanns weren&#8217;t falling for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Trez75</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/the-observer-and-their-special-magic-box/comment-page-1/#comment-17352</link>
		<dc:creator>Trez75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, its the Homeopathy/Quantum principle that it doesn&#039;t matter that the water into which the Homeopathic remedies are placed (i.e. not placed) have probably been in contact with hundreds of thousands of other substances previously. Perhaps his woo-box has some kind of &quot;ion cleansing device&quot; built into it which can automatically filter out &quot;foreign&quot; DNA traces?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, its the Homeopathy/Quantum principle that it doesn&#8217;t matter that the water into which the Homeopathic remedies are placed (i.e. not placed) have probably been in contact with hundreds of thousands of other substances previously. Perhaps his woo-box has some kind of &#8220;ion cleansing device&#8221; built into it which can automatically filter out &#8220;foreign&#8221; DNA traces?</p>
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