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		<title>By: laptopbatteriesshop</title>
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		<dc:creator>laptopbatteriesshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 03:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cwadowney</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please delete my first submission, marked comment #45, if pos&#039;bl. Thank you very much.</description>
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		<title>By: cwadowney</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/trivial-disputes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30520</link>
		<dc:creator>cwadowney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reverting back to the gamma-wave EEG - don&#039;t we need to conduct some controlled study of rhyming and near-rhyming malapropism rates as a function of journalists&#039; time-pressure, in printed words required per working week? To whom can I apply for a grant for this research? :-) Initially I suspected that this Metro story was about some radio-glucose study using tomography, not EEGs. I used to be a lowly kind of ionizing radiation metrologist, and had never heard of brains&#039; having gamma waves. 

As for the fictional effects of gamma-ray photons, 
middle-aged readers may recall that the recent Spiderman movies updated the neo-techno-phobia: a genetically modified spider was the culprit, not a radioactive one as of old. I recall that according to a National Radiological Protection Board booklet in the 1980s, if memory serves well,  I could have stood next to my lead-lined (10 +/- 5 mm thick?) safe in my radioactivity-metrology lab all morning and got a lower dose of ionizing radiation than by flying to Spain at high altitude. Frightening people is so easy! Is there any way to shame the commercial popular culture merchants into trying something more difficult, like calming readers down? Oh, who am I kidding? I may have to try writing &quot;mundane SF&quot; myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reverting back to the gamma-wave EEG &#8211; don&#8217;t we need to conduct some controlled study of rhyming and near-rhyming malapropism rates as a function of journalists&#8217; time-pressure, in printed words required per working week? To whom can I apply for a grant for this research? <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Initially I suspected that this Metro story was about some radio-glucose study using tomography, not EEGs. I used to be a lowly kind of ionizing radiation metrologist, and had never heard of brains&#8217; having gamma waves. </p>
<p>As for the fictional effects of gamma-ray photons,<br />
middle-aged readers may recall that the recent Spiderman movies updated the neo-techno-phobia: a genetically modified spider was the culprit, not a radioactive one as of old. I recall that according to a National Radiological Protection Board booklet in the 1980s, if memory serves well,  I could have stood next to my lead-lined (10 +/- 5 mm thick?) safe in my radioactivity-metrology lab all morning and got a lower dose of ionizing radiation than by flying to Spain at high altitude. Frightening people is so easy! Is there any way to shame the commercial popular culture merchants into trying something more difficult, like calming readers down? Oh, who am I kidding? I may have to try writing &#8220;mundane SF&#8221; myself.</p>
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		<title>By: cwadowney</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/trivial-disputes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30519</link>
		<dc:creator>cwadowney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reverting back to the gamma-wave EEG - don&#039;t we need to conduct some controlled study of rhyming and near-rhyming malapropism rates as a function of journalists&#039; time-pressure, in printed words required per working week? To whom can I apply for a grant for this research? :-) Initially I suspected that this Metro story was about some radio-glucose study using tomography, not EEGs. I used to be a lowly kind of ionizing radiation metrologist, and had never heard of brains&#039; having gamma waves. 

As for the fictional effects of gamma-ray photons, 
middle-aged readers may recall that the recent Spiderman movies updated the neo-techno-phobia: a genetically modified spider was the culprit, not a radioactive one as of old. I recall that according to a National Radiological Protection Board booklet in the 1980s, if memory serves well,  I could have stood next to my lead-lined (7 +/- 5 mm thick?) safe in my radioactivity-metrology lab all morning and got a lower dose of ionizing radiation than by flying to Spain at high altitude? Frightening people is so easy! Is there any way to shame the commercial popular culture merchants into trying something more difficult, like calming readers down? Oh, who am I kidding? I may have to try writing &quot;mundane SF&quot; myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reverting back to the gamma-wave EEG &#8211; don&#8217;t we need to conduct some controlled study of rhyming and near-rhyming malapropism rates as a function of journalists&#8217; time-pressure, in printed words required per working week? To whom can I apply for a grant for this research? <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Initially I suspected that this Metro story was about some radio-glucose study using tomography, not EEGs. I used to be a lowly kind of ionizing radiation metrologist, and had never heard of brains&#8217; having gamma waves. </p>
<p>As for the fictional effects of gamma-ray photons,<br />
middle-aged readers may recall that the recent Spiderman movies updated the neo-techno-phobia: a genetically modified spider was the culprit, not a radioactive one as of old. I recall that according to a National Radiological Protection Board booklet in the 1980s, if memory serves well,  I could have stood next to my lead-lined (7 +/- 5 mm thick?) safe in my radioactivity-metrology lab all morning and got a lower dose of ionizing radiation than by flying to Spain at high altitude? Frightening people is so easy! Is there any way to shame the commercial popular culture merchants into trying something more difficult, like calming readers down? Oh, who am I kidding? I may have to try writing &#8220;mundane SF&#8221; myself.</p>
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		<title>By: exile</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest fallacy in the 4x4 versus cycle calculation is the number of people in the car - 4 - when the actual average occupancy of cars is 1.5 - even less in the rush hour.

And the 4x4 people will have to spend an extra 20 minutes in the gym each (which will involve driving to the gym and back).....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest fallacy in the 4&#215;4 versus cycle calculation is the number of people in the car &#8211; 4 &#8211; when the actual average occupancy of cars is 1.5 &#8211; even less in the rush hour.</p>
<p>And the 4&#215;4 people will have to spend an extra 20 minutes in the gym each (which will involve driving to the gym and back)&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: notzed</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/trivial-disputes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19552</link>
		<dc:creator>notzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a scientific study which says that Jeeps, 4WD or SUV&#039;s cause more cyclist fatalities than any other of the noisy fume-belching death-machines running on the roads?

e.g. volvos or bmws (&#039;volvo drivers&#039; appear to have been replaced by &#039;bmw drivers&#039; for the most arrogant and annoying on the road these days).

Or did you just add some anecdotal evidence to make the story sound good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a scientific study which says that Jeeps, 4WD or SUV&#8217;s cause more cyclist fatalities than any other of the noisy fume-belching death-machines running on the roads?</p>
<p>e.g. volvos or bmws (&#8216;volvo drivers&#8217; appear to have been replaced by &#8216;bmw drivers&#8217; for the most arrogant and annoying on the road these days).</p>
<p>Or did you just add some anecdotal evidence to make the story sound good?</p>
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		<title>By: jodyaberdein</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 39, 41:

The intention was neither precision nor fastidious calculation, infact  quite the opposite.

I deliberately chose ball park figures: specifically an over-heavy bicycle and quarter weight car (assuming full occupancy and per capita for comparison), as these should bias any estimate in favour of the opponent.

Thus regarding acceleration etc, you no longer need bother calculate it to get a rough idea once you realise you have a less efficienct engine moving much more weight around to achieve the same end.

The point is that a little scientific literacy goes a long way in terms of b**lshit filtering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 39, 41:</p>
<p>The intention was neither precision nor fastidious calculation, infact  quite the opposite.</p>
<p>I deliberately chose ball park figures: specifically an over-heavy bicycle and quarter weight car (assuming full occupancy and per capita for comparison), as these should bias any estimate in favour of the opponent.</p>
<p>Thus regarding acceleration etc, you no longer need bother calculate it to get a rough idea once you realise you have a less efficienct engine moving much more weight around to achieve the same end.</p>
<p>The point is that a little scientific literacy goes a long way in terms of b**lshit filtering.</p>
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		<title>By: memoryweaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>memoryweaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re cars vs bicycles

You&#039;ll also need to calculate the extra CO2 used by all the cars having to slow down, wait, then accelerate past the 4 bikes, over 38 minutes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re cars vs bicycles</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll also need to calculate the extra CO2 used by all the cars having to slow down, wait, then accelerate past the 4 bikes, over 38 minutes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Delster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think william had it right... anybody with the over abundance of money and under allocation of brains to buy a hummer (mercenaries and liberation fighters excluded) would probably be changing it every 2 years if not every year.

Also as a motorcyclist well over half of the near misses i&#039;ve had have been with 4x4&#039;s... just look for the ones with knuckle marks in the door panels. So you can chalk up extra usage of rubber - for braking to avoid them and ambulance usage both.... plus of course new wing mirrors that they will inevitably replace even thought they don&#039;t appear to use them which is what leads to their removal by irate bikers.

Engine noise is a factor in accidents... which is why bikers put louder exhausts on their bikes so car drivers might hear them even if they don&#039;t see them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think william had it right&#8230; anybody with the over abundance of money and under allocation of brains to buy a hummer (mercenaries and liberation fighters excluded) would probably be changing it every 2 years if not every year.</p>
<p>Also as a motorcyclist well over half of the near misses i&#8217;ve had have been with 4&#215;4&#8242;s&#8230; just look for the ones with knuckle marks in the door panels. So you can chalk up extra usage of rubber &#8211; for braking to avoid them and ambulance usage both&#8230;. plus of course new wing mirrors that they will inevitably replace even thought they don&#8217;t appear to use them which is what leads to their removal by irate bikers.</p>
<p>Engine noise is a factor in accidents&#8230; which is why bikers put louder exhausts on their bikes so car drivers might hear them even if they don&#8217;t see them.</p>
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		<title>By: andyl</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/trivial-disputes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19526</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all have to eat, even the drivers, and when I cycled to work (now work at home) I didn&#039;t used to eat extra - even though I went quite a bit faster than 8mph.  Also someone who rides 10 miles a day is getting some of the exercise they should be taking.  The driver, if doing the recommended daily amount of exercise, would be doing similar exercise somewhere else and using up similar amounts of energy.

According to Gary Kamen&#039;s book &quot;Foundations Of Exercise Science&quot; walking uses 0.75 calories per kg of body weight per km, cycling uses 0.15 calories per kg per km.  However the maximum efficiency of cylcing is approx. 29% and walking slightly higher.  He also states that cycling is much more efficient than a car.

Also 15Kg is a tad on the heavy side for a bike.  A Galaxy tourer is 1.5 Kg lighter than that and that is a fairly heavy bike. Also a car that weights 250 Kg?  Even a Ford Fiesta 1.6 has a kerb weight of 1100Kg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have to eat, even the drivers, and when I cycled to work (now work at home) I didn&#8217;t used to eat extra &#8211; even though I went quite a bit faster than 8mph.  Also someone who rides 10 miles a day is getting some of the exercise they should be taking.  The driver, if doing the recommended daily amount of exercise, would be doing similar exercise somewhere else and using up similar amounts of energy.</p>
<p>According to Gary Kamen&#8217;s book &#8220;Foundations Of Exercise Science&#8221; walking uses 0.75 calories per kg of body weight per km, cycling uses 0.15 calories per kg per km.  However the maximum efficiency of cylcing is approx. 29% and walking slightly higher.  He also states that cycling is much more efficient than a car.</p>
<p>Also 15Kg is a tad on the heavy side for a bike.  A Galaxy tourer is 1.5 Kg lighter than that and that is a fairly heavy bike. Also a car that weights 250 Kg?  Even a Ford Fiesta 1.6 has a kerb weight of 1100Kg.</p>
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		<title>By: jodyaberdein</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/trivial-disputes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19524</link>
		<dc:creator>jodyaberdein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: cars vs bicycles

I haven&#039;t had time to browse the relevent literature fully.  However  it seems improbable that a biological engine moving 85kg around the place (70kg man plus 15kg bike) is going to be no more efficient than a heat engine moving 320kg (1/4 of 1 tonne care plus 70kg man) about the place.

&#039;Physics literacy, energy and
the environment&#039;,Art Hobson, Physics Education, March 2003, p 109

..is worth a read in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: cars vs bicycles</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had time to browse the relevent literature fully.  However  it seems improbable that a biological engine moving 85kg around the place (70kg man plus 15kg bike) is going to be no more efficient than a heat engine moving 320kg (1/4 of 1 tonne care plus 70kg man) about the place.</p>
<p>&#8216;Physics literacy, energy and<br />
the environment&#8217;,Art Hobson, Physics Education, March 2003, p 109</p>
<p>..is worth a read in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: robmcbell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wouldn&#039;t cubic liters be 27 dimensional?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wouldn&#8217;t cubic liters be 27 dimensional?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: quark</title>
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		<dc:creator>quark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great calculation concerning the CO2 emissions by cyclists and car passengers! 
What surprises me is that the car only travels at 22mph. I assume this is because at this speed fuel efficiency is highest. However, if the people in the car drove much faster, say 88mph, they would, according to the calculation, only have to breathe for 3.5 minutes during the 38 minutes it takes the cyclists to get to work. 
Wouldn&#039;t this mean that, if the people in the car only went fast enough, they could almost stop breathing completely?

On a more serious topic: It was mentioned that we obviously don&#039;t eat coal for breakfast. However, I don’t think we can claim that our food consumption only recycles CO2 and is not making any net contribution to CO2 in the atmosphere. A lot of fossil energy goes into agriculture itself, transport of food, cooking etc. 
I&#039;d be very interested to see some proper calculations how CO2 efficient we, as human beings are. Obviously this also depends on what we eat. I assume the fact that, if we walk, we only have to move our own body weight (and not the car as well) would make us quite fuel efficient. Do our bodies generally convert energy more efficiently into movement (instead of heat) than a car? How efficient is cycling compared to walking or running?

Maybe there are some exercise physiologists on this board who know the answers to my questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great calculation concerning the CO2 emissions by cyclists and car passengers!<br />
What surprises me is that the car only travels at 22mph. I assume this is because at this speed fuel efficiency is highest. However, if the people in the car drove much faster, say 88mph, they would, according to the calculation, only have to breathe for 3.5 minutes during the 38 minutes it takes the cyclists to get to work.<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t this mean that, if the people in the car only went fast enough, they could almost stop breathing completely?</p>
<p>On a more serious topic: It was mentioned that we obviously don&#8217;t eat coal for breakfast. However, I don’t think we can claim that our food consumption only recycles CO2 and is not making any net contribution to CO2 in the atmosphere. A lot of fossil energy goes into agriculture itself, transport of food, cooking etc.<br />
I&#8217;d be very interested to see some proper calculations how CO2 efficient we, as human beings are. Obviously this also depends on what we eat. I assume the fact that, if we walk, we only have to move our own body weight (and not the car as well) would make us quite fuel efficient. Do our bodies generally convert energy more efficiently into movement (instead of heat) than a car? How efficient is cycling compared to walking or running?</p>
<p>Maybe there are some exercise physiologists on this board who know the answers to my questions?</p>
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		<title>By: tonyy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonyy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a quick Google trawl, it looks to me like the breathing rate of 6 cubic metres per hour is conveniently exaggerated. For light to moderate exercise like riding a bike at 8 mph, the average estimate seems to be about 3.5 cu m per hr. At which rate the cyclists would produce a little over half the CO2 of the car travellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a quick Google trawl, it looks to me like the breathing rate of 6 cubic metres per hour is conveniently exaggerated. For light to moderate exercise like riding a bike at 8 mph, the average estimate seems to be about 3.5 cu m per hr. At which rate the cyclists would produce a little over half the CO2 of the car travellers.</p>
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		<title>By: Munin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Munin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the ABD think cyclists eat coal for breakfast.

Anyway, it&#039;s good to see them promoting car sharing. Have they amalgamated with the Association of British Passengers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the ABD think cyclists eat coal for breakfast.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s good to see them promoting car sharing. Have they amalgamated with the Association of British Passengers?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As (as I mentioned) a cyclist, I&#039;m theoretically as much a threat to the blind lady as the Prius is.  I don&#039;t intend to make unnecessary loud noises as I go about my business.  Conversely, I think she&#039;s putting too much faith in being able to avoid a marauding motor-car if she can hear it coming.  If theyre out to get you then they&#039;ll probably get you.

Having said that, one car advert apparently now sounds an alarm when something pops up in front of you, such as a donkey, although these days you can&#039;t tell if something in a car advert is real or not, which I think (and I think I&#039;ve said) is because adverts with reckless or impossible driving were banned unless the advert was made to look obviously like a cartoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As (as I mentioned) a cyclist, I&#8217;m theoretically as much a threat to the blind lady as the Prius is.  I don&#8217;t intend to make unnecessary loud noises as I go about my business.  Conversely, I think she&#8217;s putting too much faith in being able to avoid a marauding motor-car if she can hear it coming.  If theyre out to get you then they&#8217;ll probably get you.</p>
<p>Having said that, one car advert apparently now sounds an alarm when something pops up in front of you, such as a donkey, although these days you can&#8217;t tell if something in a car advert is real or not, which I think (and I think I&#8217;ve said) is because adverts with reckless or impossible driving were banned unless the advert was made to look obviously like a cartoon.</p>
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		<title>By: emilypk</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/trivial-disputes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19517</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>except of course via decomposition....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>except of course via decomposition&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: brw</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/trivial-disputes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19516</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guys in the car didn&#039;t just share an efficient vehicle: they also held their breath for 24 minutes while they waited for their colleagues on the bikes.  Thereby ensuring that they never emitted any more CO2 ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guys in the car didn&#8217;t just share an efficient vehicle: they also held their breath for 24 minutes while they waited for their colleagues on the bikes.  Thereby ensuring that they never emitted any more CO2 ever.</p>
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		<title>By: MrC</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/trivial-disputes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19515</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bicycle Pete

Those calculations re: CO2 emissions neglect to mention that the CO2 emitted by cars is in effect &#039;new&#039; CO2, having been locked away underground for millions of years. The CO2 emitted by cyclists is merely recycled from the atmosphere  through the food chain etc, and hence isn&#039;t making a net contribution to atmospheric CO2 levels.

Therefore the calculations,although interesting, are irrelevant.</description>
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<p>Those calculations re: CO2 emissions neglect to mention that the CO2 emitted by cars is in effect &#8216;new&#8217; CO2, having been locked away underground for millions of years. The CO2 emitted by cyclists is merely recycled from the atmosphere  through the food chain etc, and hence isn&#8217;t making a net contribution to atmospheric CO2 levels.</p>
<p>Therefore the calculations,although interesting, are irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice Seeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the same topic, there is an advertisment currently running on some channels which is selling a &quot;Kinoki&quot; footpad which is supposed to absorb impurities from your body while you sleep. It also contains, the ad. says, &quot;ions&quot;. It doesn&#039;t say what of, just &quot;ions&quot;. Sheesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the same topic, there is an advertisment currently running on some channels which is selling a &#8220;Kinoki&#8221; footpad which is supposed to absorb impurities from your body while you sleep. It also contains, the ad. says, &#8220;ions&#8221;. It doesn&#8217;t say what of, just &#8220;ions&#8221;. Sheesh!</p>
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