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	<title>Comments on: BBC Newsnight mine the Brain Gym comedy mountain</title>
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		<title>By: gothgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-2/#comment-34662</link>
		<dc:creator>gothgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 16:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have just been reading the Brain Gym website, and they have a file on their ssite posted as &#039;Response to Critisism.&#039;  However, it is more circular bullshit, with no bibliography to the scant references they provide and the &#039;more than a hundred anecdotal, qualitative, and quantitative studies and reports.&#039;  It seems to end with a rather succinct;
It works because we say it does.  We don&#039;t have to proove it.  If you don&#039;t like it, ask someone who cares.

Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have just been reading the Brain Gym website, and they have a file on their ssite posted as &#8216;Response to Critisism.&#8217;  However, it is more circular bullshit, with no bibliography to the scant references they provide and the &#8216;more than a hundred anecdotal, qualitative, and quantitative studies and reports.&#8217;  It seems to end with a rather succinct;<br />
It works because we say it does.  We don&#8217;t have to proove it.  If you don&#8217;t like it, ask someone who cares.</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: mpn</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-2/#comment-28149</link>
		<dc:creator>mpn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on about brain gym, just one of the plethora of ridiculous initiatives we teachers have to put up with. Unfortunately brain gym is a product of an educational system driven by short term political goals that prioritises the delivery of initiatives and the meeting of targets over the development of open and enquiring minds, and is consequently in thrall to miracle cures and faddish quick fix solutions.
  It should come as no surprise that such a system can only operate effectively through the devaluation of teaching as a profession. The current system has bullied and disrespected teachers into becoming deliverers of whatever initiative is flavour of the month and is openly hostile towards the idea that qualities such as independence of mind and healthy scepticism are desirable in teachers.  Who are we to hold an opinion on any of the initiatives we have to implement, we&#039;re only teachers? The government/OFSTED/academics who haven&#039;t been near a classroom in years obviously know far better than us.
  My point is that the system creates the environment whereby shady practices such as brain gym can flourish and remain unquestioned.  Even more widespread and pernicious than brain gym is the proliferation of the theory that children learn according to seemingly &quot;genetically&quot; pre-determined learning styles.  That&#039;s everywhere in education at the moment and is in desperate need of some bad science treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on about brain gym, just one of the plethora of ridiculous initiatives we teachers have to put up with. Unfortunately brain gym is a product of an educational system driven by short term political goals that prioritises the delivery of initiatives and the meeting of targets over the development of open and enquiring minds, and is consequently in thrall to miracle cures and faddish quick fix solutions.<br />
  It should come as no surprise that such a system can only operate effectively through the devaluation of teaching as a profession. The current system has bullied and disrespected teachers into becoming deliverers of whatever initiative is flavour of the month and is openly hostile towards the idea that qualities such as independence of mind and healthy scepticism are desirable in teachers.  Who are we to hold an opinion on any of the initiatives we have to implement, we&#8217;re only teachers? The government/OFSTED/academics who haven&#8217;t been near a classroom in years obviously know far better than us.<br />
  My point is that the system creates the environment whereby shady practices such as brain gym can flourish and remain unquestioned.  Even more widespread and pernicious than brain gym is the proliferation of the theory that children learn according to seemingly &#8220;genetically&#8221; pre-determined learning styles.  That&#8217;s everywhere in education at the moment and is in desperate need of some bad science treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulG</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-2/#comment-23520</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just came across this blog entry...

http://themilligan.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/brain-gym/

A UK that recounts a whole day of professional development devoted to this rubbish. 

Makes for interesting reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across this blog entry&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://themilligan.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/brain-gym/" rel="nofollow">themilligan.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/brain-gym/</a></p>
<p>A UK that recounts a whole day of professional development devoted to this rubbish. </p>
<p>Makes for interesting reading.</p>
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		<title>By: jude</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-2/#comment-20762</link>
		<dc:creator>jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a teacher I would be happy to break up a long double lesson with a physical activity - however I wouldn&#039;t dream of telling them I am doing anything other than giving them break from writing and perhaps waking them from the torpor they are apt to slip into.  

I&#039;m not about to try and persuade my pupils we are stimulating &quot;brain buttons&quot;.  I&#039;m meant to be teaching them to recognise bad science not promoting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a teacher I would be happy to break up a long double lesson with a physical activity &#8211; however I wouldn&#8217;t dream of telling them I am doing anything other than giving them break from writing and perhaps waking them from the torpor they are apt to slip into.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not about to try and persuade my pupils we are stimulating &#8220;brain buttons&#8221;.  I&#8217;m meant to be teaching them to recognise bad science not promoting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 15:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traditionally gems are found in dunghills.  Is it worth looking there?  Only if you have much time on your hands.</description>
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		<title>By: inspiros</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-1/#comment-20649</link>
		<dc:creator>inspiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t there a Professor of Neurology on earlier in the Newsnight piece who said words to the effect that: the worst thing was that there might be some useful exercises in here - but that dressing it up in pseudoscientific language without any evidence and foisting it on schools would confuse the field - and potentially lose us the opportunity to study if some of these exercises might work.

I think there is a good basis for muscular movement or relaxation changing cognitive processing - in many ways we do &quot;think&quot; with our muscles (see the work of Professor Edmund Jacobson on Progressive Muscle Relaxation). I can imagine that some of the exercises could be beneficial.

The lack of RCT evidence combined with a theoretical basis that is non-aligned to current psychological or physiological theory is the issue.

There were indeed many aspects of report that were very disturbing. However narrow minded dismisal of everything in Brain Gym is the other side of that coin. There are probably some gems in the Brain Gym system - it would be good to extract those that look potentially effective and study them. (Yes - the theoretical explanation of them is probably cuckoo...  but that is neither here nor there for an evidence-based approach.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t there a Professor of Neurology on earlier in the Newsnight piece who said words to the effect that: the worst thing was that there might be some useful exercises in here &#8211; but that dressing it up in pseudoscientific language without any evidence and foisting it on schools would confuse the field &#8211; and potentially lose us the opportunity to study if some of these exercises might work.</p>
<p>I think there is a good basis for muscular movement or relaxation changing cognitive processing &#8211; in many ways we do &#8220;think&#8221; with our muscles (see the work of Professor Edmund Jacobson on Progressive Muscle Relaxation). I can imagine that some of the exercises could be beneficial.</p>
<p>The lack of RCT evidence combined with a theoretical basis that is non-aligned to current psychological or physiological theory is the issue.</p>
<p>There were indeed many aspects of report that were very disturbing. However narrow minded dismisal of everything in Brain Gym is the other side of that coin. There are probably some gems in the Brain Gym system &#8211; it would be good to extract those that look potentially effective and study them. (Yes &#8211; the theoretical explanation of them is probably cuckoo&#8230;  but that is neither here nor there for an evidence-based approach.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JQH: &quot;brain buttons&quot; are actually K-27s, the last points on the kidney meridians. Acupuncturists have known about them for 22+ centuries.
I&#039;d agree that the jury is still out on acupuncture but results are promising.

Never heard the water one.  I&#039;m inclined to agree with you there.

I&#039;d be surprised if tipping your head forward didn&#039;t tip blood towards the frontal lobes.  Just tested this, perhaps more likely to give you a migraine than anything else.

Massaging your jaw might improve one&#039;s ability to use language - who has tested it?

If someone deceives you into buying a Brain Gym programme, there is plenty of recourse in law for that.  I&#039;m guessing most teachers are actually pleased with the results and this is why Brain Gym is spreading so quickly.

No, I neither teach nor use Brain Gym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JQH: &#8220;brain buttons&#8221; are actually K-27s, the last points on the kidney meridians. Acupuncturists have known about them for 22+ centuries.<br />
I&#8217;d agree that the jury is still out on acupuncture but results are promising.</p>
<p>Never heard the water one.  I&#8217;m inclined to agree with you there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be surprised if tipping your head forward didn&#8217;t tip blood towards the frontal lobes.  Just tested this, perhaps more likely to give you a migraine than anything else.</p>
<p>Massaging your jaw might improve one&#8217;s ability to use language &#8211; who has tested it?</p>
<p>If someone deceives you into buying a Brain Gym programme, there is plenty of recourse in law for that.  I&#8217;m guessing most teachers are actually pleased with the results and this is why Brain Gym is spreading so quickly.</p>
<p>No, I neither teach nor use Brain Gym.</p>
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		<title>By: JQH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JQH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Gould:

I think that science does back the detractors of Brain Gym despite your comment to Martin;
anatomists have failed to find &quot;brain buttons&quot;, water is not absorbed through the roof of the mouth, nodding your head does not tip blood into the frontal lobes of the brain, massaging your jaw does not improve one&#039;s ability to use language etc etc.

You think it&#039;s ok to deceive people sometimes. Is it ok to deceive people in order to shovel large quantities of tax-payers cash into your bank account?

BTW, are you a Brain Gym coach?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Gould:</p>
<p>I think that science does back the detractors of Brain Gym despite your comment to Martin;<br />
anatomists have failed to find &#8220;brain buttons&#8221;, water is not absorbed through the roof of the mouth, nodding your head does not tip blood into the frontal lobes of the brain, massaging your jaw does not improve one&#8217;s ability to use language etc etc.</p>
<p>You think it&#8217;s ok to deceive people sometimes. Is it ok to deceive people in order to shovel large quantities of tax-payers cash into your bank account?</p>
<p>BTW, are you a Brain Gym coach?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sidcumberland:  The word &quot;probably&quot; indicates otherwise.

I ask again - did any of Solity&#039;s research exclude experimenter bias?

It&#039;s not hard to see that a group of teachers would get better results teaching what they are enthusiastic about.

Again, this doesn&#039;t mean that phonics isn&#039;t the best single method for getting children through the early stages of reading.  Of course, an entirely different method is required to teach them how to spell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sidcumberland:  The word &#8220;probably&#8221; indicates otherwise.</p>
<p>I ask again &#8211; did any of Solity&#8217;s research exclude experimenter bias?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to see that a group of teachers would get better results teaching what they are enthusiastic about.</p>
<p>Again, this doesn&#8217;t mean that phonics isn&#8217;t the best single method for getting children through the early stages of reading.  Of course, an entirely different method is required to teach them how to spell.</p>
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		<title>By: sidcumberland</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-1/#comment-20478</link>
		<dc:creator>sidcumberland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Gould:

You originally said: &quot;Your statement “ERP is based on sound psychological principles and research evidence” probably falls into this category [pseudoscience] as I could find little evidence to support it.&quot;

That looks to me very like &#039;if I can&#039;t find evidence for it, then it&#039;s pseudoscience&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Gould:</p>
<p>You originally said: &#8220;Your statement “ERP is based on sound psychological principles and research evidence” probably falls into this category [pseudoscience] as I could find little evidence to support it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That looks to me very like &#8216;if I can&#8217;t find evidence for it, then it&#8217;s pseudoscience&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gould</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-1/#comment-20468</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin: I didn&#039;t say under 15s shouldn&#039;t question science!

It&#039;s important to remember here that science doesn&#039;t back your view of Brain Gym any more than it backs the advocates&#039;.

Pseudoscience can lead people to make significantly bad choices but nobody seems to be denying that the placebo benefits alone of Brain Gym might be worthwhile - especially if the pseudoscience was left out.

And we seem to agree that all children should be taught to see through pseudoscience.  It will lead to the same battle of spin we see in politics today - but I think, overall, people will be much better informed.

FWIW, I&#039;m a hypnotherapist/coach.

sidcumberland: I wouldn&#039;t worry about your inferences since in this case they were entirely inaccurate.
Solity&#039;s research doesn&#039;t seem to be freely available on the internet.  Did any of it exclude experimenter bias?

JQH: It&#039;s proof that it&#039;s sometimes OK to deceive people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin: I didn&#8217;t say under 15s shouldn&#8217;t question science!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to remember here that science doesn&#8217;t back your view of Brain Gym any more than it backs the advocates&#8217;.</p>
<p>Pseudoscience can lead people to make significantly bad choices but nobody seems to be denying that the placebo benefits alone of Brain Gym might be worthwhile &#8211; especially if the pseudoscience was left out.</p>
<p>And we seem to agree that all children should be taught to see through pseudoscience.  It will lead to the same battle of spin we see in politics today &#8211; but I think, overall, people will be much better informed.</p>
<p>FWIW, I&#8217;m a hypnotherapist/coach.</p>
<p>sidcumberland: I wouldn&#8217;t worry about your inferences since in this case they were entirely inaccurate.<br />
Solity&#8217;s research doesn&#8217;t seem to be freely available on the internet.  Did any of it exclude experimenter bias?</p>
<p>JQH: It&#8217;s proof that it&#8217;s sometimes OK to deceive people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Horder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Horder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think not - that looks like an advert for one of those cognitive training things, where you do mental exercises in the hope that you&#039;ll improve with practice and therefore become smarter / get a better memory etc. It may or may not work, but it&#039;s several orders of magnitude less silly than Brain Gym, since it does involve actually using your brain, rather than pushing your &quot;brain buttons.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think not &#8211; that looks like an advert for one of those cognitive training things, where you do mental exercises in the hope that you&#8217;ll improve with practice and therefore become smarter / get a better memory etc. It may or may not work, but it&#8217;s several orders of magnitude less silly than Brain Gym, since it does involve actually using your brain, rather than pushing your &#8220;brain buttons.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Raify</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raify</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Raify</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-1/#comment-20432</link>
		<dc:creator>Raify</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s this, advertising in the Guardian?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s this, advertising in the Guardian?</p>
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		<title>By: JQH</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-1/#comment-20431</link>
		<dc:creator>JQH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Gould:

What relevence does a palliative placebo given to a terminally ill patient have to do with Brain Gym? By attempting to conflate the two issuesyou are implying that people who oppose Brain Gym would be heartless enough to tell a terminally ill patient that their medication doesn&#039;t work.

I&#039;m sure that there is a posh Latin name for this kind of obfuscatory argument but I&#039;ll put it in Anglo-Saxon:

&lt;b&gt;It&#039;s fucking bollocks mate!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Gould:</p>
<p>What relevence does a palliative placebo given to a terminally ill patient have to do with Brain Gym? By attempting to conflate the two issuesyou are implying that people who oppose Brain Gym would be heartless enough to tell a terminally ill patient that their medication doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that there is a posh Latin name for this kind of obfuscatory argument but I&#8217;ll put it in Anglo-Saxon:</p>
<p><b>It&#8217;s fucking bollocks mate!</b></p>
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		<title>By: sidcumberland</title>
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		<dc:creator>sidcumberland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Gould - I&#039;m a little worried by your implication that the difference between science and pseudoscience is whether you could find evidence to support it.

There is piles of evidence from Solity&#039;s research, as you will know if you had googled. If you didn&#039;t google, where did you look?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Gould &#8211; I&#8217;m a little worried by your implication that the difference between science and pseudoscience is whether you could find evidence to support it.</p>
<p>There is piles of evidence from Solity&#8217;s research, as you will know if you had googled. If you didn&#8217;t google, where did you look?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, you mention that you are a health professional, and so not a teacher.  Teachers know that taking short breaks in classes and getting kids to move around helps break up the lesson into manageable chunks for which young children can concentrate for.  This only usually happens at primary school, as children are expected to be able to manage their concentration as they get older.  The fact that Brain Gym is being used for older children is therefore alarming.

I don’t know of any studies that have been performed into what form of exercise produces the best results – if anyone else knows of any I’ve a couple of friends who are teachers who would welcome the ammunition!  But I’m also unaware of any studies into the effectiveness of Brain Gym, so until they can claim that their methods are superior I don’t need to substantiate my claim.  I have a greater quantity of ancedotal evidence than they do.

As to not teaching children to question science until 15-16, I’m afraid that I shall have to swear here.  WTF!  Children choose which GCSEs they do when they are 14.  I started getting a good scientific education at 10, partly because I had some great, dedicated scientific teachers even at middle school, where one teacher was expected to teach everything from science to English.  If children don’t learn to question what they are taught they’ll grow up believing anything anyone in authority says to them.

Oh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, you mention that you are a health professional, and so not a teacher.  Teachers know that taking short breaks in classes and getting kids to move around helps break up the lesson into manageable chunks for which young children can concentrate for.  This only usually happens at primary school, as children are expected to be able to manage their concentration as they get older.  The fact that Brain Gym is being used for older children is therefore alarming.</p>
<p>I don’t know of any studies that have been performed into what form of exercise produces the best results – if anyone else knows of any I’ve a couple of friends who are teachers who would welcome the ammunition!  But I’m also unaware of any studies into the effectiveness of Brain Gym, so until they can claim that their methods are superior I don’t need to substantiate my claim.  I have a greater quantity of ancedotal evidence than they do.</p>
<p>As to not teaching children to question science until 15-16, I’m afraid that I shall have to swear here.  WTF!  Children choose which GCSEs they do when they are 14.  I started getting a good scientific education at 10, partly because I had some great, dedicated scientific teachers even at middle school, where one teacher was expected to teach everything from science to English.  If children don’t learn to question what they are taught they’ll grow up believing anything anyone in authority says to them.</p>
<p>Oh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gould</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-1/#comment-20421</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks set to be a fascinating debate.  I&#039;ve tried to keep my points clean and hope others can do the same.

Martin: your implied assertion that &quot;Simple stretching would allow them to do the same [as Brain Gym]&quot; is unsubstantiated.  I agree with your other points and that children should be taught to challenge all assertions of science, though perhaps at 15-16.

Dr* T: Would you tell an otherwise terminal patient that their working placebo doesn’t work?  This is a moral issue that I and many health professionals frequently face.
If not, doesn&#039;t this imply that the morals wrt Brain Gym are not as black and white as you imply?

sidcumberland:  Yours requires a more in-depth response.

I think part of the disagreement is because we&#039;ve been sloppy with the use of these words.

To say that a body of work is pseudoscience makes about as little sense as to say that it is science.

Pseudoscience does not mean that something is scientifically invalid.  Pseudoscience actually refers to the *presentation* of something as scientific, while lacking the evidence which would expected to support that status.

Your statement &quot;ERP is based on sound psychological principles and research evidence&quot; probably falls into this category as I could find little evidence to support it.

However, your enthusiasm for what/how you teach will undoubtedly make you a much more successful teacher - surely much more important.
I hope this serves as an example of 2 of my original points:
1) How much would restricting teachers to scientific claims limit the results they get?
2) How can we blame non-scientists for confusing science and pseudoscience when many scientists have the same confusion?  Especially when your audience expects &#039;science&#039; and your competitors are marketing with pseudoscience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks set to be a fascinating debate.  I&#8217;ve tried to keep my points clean and hope others can do the same.</p>
<p>Martin: your implied assertion that &#8220;Simple stretching would allow them to do the same [as Brain Gym]&#8221; is unsubstantiated.  I agree with your other points and that children should be taught to challenge all assertions of science, though perhaps at 15-16.</p>
<p>Dr* T: Would you tell an otherwise terminal patient that their working placebo doesn’t work?  This is a moral issue that I and many health professionals frequently face.<br />
If not, doesn&#8217;t this imply that the morals wrt Brain Gym are not as black and white as you imply?</p>
<p>sidcumberland:  Yours requires a more in-depth response.</p>
<p>I think part of the disagreement is because we&#8217;ve been sloppy with the use of these words.</p>
<p>To say that a body of work is pseudoscience makes about as little sense as to say that it is science.</p>
<p>Pseudoscience does not mean that something is scientifically invalid.  Pseudoscience actually refers to the *presentation* of something as scientific, while lacking the evidence which would expected to support that status.</p>
<p>Your statement &#8220;ERP is based on sound psychological principles and research evidence&#8221; probably falls into this category as I could find little evidence to support it.</p>
<p>However, your enthusiasm for what/how you teach will undoubtedly make you a much more successful teacher &#8211; surely much more important.<br />
I hope this serves as an example of 2 of my original points:<br />
1) How much would restricting teachers to scientific claims limit the results they get?<br />
2) How can we blame non-scientists for confusing science and pseudoscience when many scientists have the same confusion?  Especially when your audience expects &#8216;science&#8217; and your competitors are marketing with pseudoscience?</p>
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		<title>By: robison</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-1/#comment-20420</link>
		<dc:creator>robison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without wanting to sound like a conspiracy theory nutter(cue sounding like a conspiracy theory nutter), these exercises and the tragic attempt at a theory behind them reminded me of Ron L Hubbard&#039;s &#039;touch assists&#039;. This guy isn&#039;t connected to Scientology in any way is he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without wanting to sound like a conspiracy theory nutter(cue sounding like a conspiracy theory nutter), these exercises and the tragic attempt at a theory behind them reminded me of Ron L Hubbard&#8217;s &#8216;touch assists&#8217;. This guy isn&#8217;t connected to Scientology in any way is he?</p>
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		<title>By: sidcumberland</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/04/bbc-newsnight-mine-the-brain-gym-comedy-mountain/comment-page-1/#comment-20417</link>
		<dc:creator>sidcumberland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to pick Dave Gould up on the idea that phonics is pseudo-science. I&#039;ve been a teacher all my life, and have seen fads come and go. I can assure you that using phonics is the best way to teach young children to read. Here in Essex we use Jonathan Solity&#039;s Early Reading Program, developed over ten years with Essex schools. ERP is based on sound psychological principles and research evidence. That&#039;s why it works.

re Brain Gym - I&#039;m with the bulk of the responses here. Evidence based practice is what we need.

 &quot;To deny schools access to it would be equally wrong&quot; - No, it wouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to pick Dave Gould up on the idea that phonics is pseudo-science. I&#8217;ve been a teacher all my life, and have seen fads come and go. I can assure you that using phonics is the best way to teach young children to read. Here in Essex we use Jonathan Solity&#8217;s Early Reading Program, developed over ten years with Essex schools. ERP is based on sound psychological principles and research evidence. That&#8217;s why it works.</p>
<p>re Brain Gym &#8211; I&#8217;m with the bulk of the responses here. Evidence based practice is what we need.</p>
<p> &#8220;To deny schools access to it would be equally wrong&#8221; &#8211; No, it wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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