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	<title>Comments on: Mischief PR and more top secret data.</title>
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		<title>By: bob_calder</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21401</link>
		<dc:creator>bob_calder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SpiderJ, alligators don&#039;t like babies. But they do like women.

During 2006, women were attacked three times as often as men in Florida.

The lesson: you should always take a woman with you into the swamp. muah ha ha.

One year they apparently had a preference for boy scouts, another time it was german shepherds. Oh well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SpiderJ, alligators don&#8217;t like babies. But they do like women.</p>
<p>During 2006, women were attacked three times as often as men in Florida.</p>
<p>The lesson: you should always take a woman with you into the swamp. muah ha ha.</p>
<p>One year they apparently had a preference for boy scouts, another time it was german shepherds. Oh well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mjs</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21400</link>
		<dc:creator>mjs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JonM,

How do you know the study itself focuses on rats? The only bit in the Guardian article that even pretends to be quoted by the newspapers from the study itself is this sentence: 
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Household reports of &lt;b&gt;wasps&lt;/b&gt; have risen by 39 per cent, &lt;b&gt;squirrels&lt;/b&gt; by 23 per cent, &lt;b&gt;mice&lt;/b&gt; by 17 per cent and &lt;b&gt;rats&lt;/b&gt; by 12 per cent.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Rats are included in the study. But I haven&#039;t a clue what animal (if any) is the &quot;focus&quot; of it. Since only MischiefPR knows what was measured, only they can say what the focus really was.

Not that it stops the Express and the Daily Mail from focusing on the rats. 

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Anyway. Sloppy figures aren&#039;t limited to science news stories. A couple days ago, I read that a certain American city has seen &quot;double-digit increases in murder, rape, burglary, larceny and shooting rates&quot; so far this year.

I still don&#039;t know what this double digit increase really means. +15/wk? +12 per 3 months? Only when all those crimes are combined? Or in each catagory individually?

If I only read that one story, I&#039;d never know. It would not have even been that difficult to give out useful information. Someone simply chose not to, in service of making a splashy statement. 

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So, since we can&#039;t count on the newspapers to tell us anything useful, if we want to know more about murder rates (or rats, or wasps), then we would need access to other sources. 

Oh, wait. That&#039;s what the Guardian article was about. Access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonM,</p>
<p>How do you know the study itself focuses on rats? The only bit in the Guardian article that even pretends to be quoted by the newspapers from the study itself is this sentence:<br />
<i>&#8220;Household reports of <b>wasps</b> have risen by 39 per cent, <b>squirrels</b> by 23 per cent, <b>mice</b> by 17 per cent and <b>rats</b> by 12 per cent.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Rats are included in the study. But I haven&#8217;t a clue what animal (if any) is the &#8220;focus&#8221; of it. Since only MischiefPR knows what was measured, only they can say what the focus really was.</p>
<p>Not that it stops the Express and the Daily Mail from focusing on the rats. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Anyway. Sloppy figures aren&#8217;t limited to science news stories. A couple days ago, I read that a certain American city has seen &#8220;double-digit increases in murder, rape, burglary, larceny and shooting rates&#8221; so far this year.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t know what this double digit increase really means. +15/wk? +12 per 3 months? Only when all those crimes are combined? Or in each catagory individually?</p>
<p>If I only read that one story, I&#8217;d never know. It would not have even been that difficult to give out useful information. Someone simply chose not to, in service of making a splashy statement. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>So, since we can&#8217;t count on the newspapers to tell us anything useful, if we want to know more about murder rates (or rats, or wasps), then we would need access to other sources. </p>
<p>Oh, wait. That&#8217;s what the Guardian article was about. Access.</p>
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		<title>By: jodyaberdein</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21399</link>
		<dc:creator>jodyaberdein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you can add infestation cover to your contents insurance for only £1.33 per month?  Who would have thought it?

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/insurance/household-insurance/article.html?in_article_id=425087&amp;in_page_id=34</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you can add infestation cover to your contents insurance for only £1.33 per month?  Who would have thought it?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/insurance/household-insurance/article.html?in_article_id=425087&amp;in_page_id=34" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/insurance/household-insurance/article.html?in_article_id=425087&amp;in_page_id=34</a></p>
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		<title>By: SpiderJ</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21398</link>
		<dc:creator>SpiderJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JonM

Why does it focus on rats? 

Er... because they are way more scary than pigeons, squirrels or cockroaches. This isn&#039;t about reality - it&#039;s about getting publicity for an insurance company.

If they could have come up with a story that said man-eating alligators are going to come up from the sewers and eat your left-over pizza, before tucking into your baby for dessert, then I suspect they probably would - just as long as they got a plug for Esure in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonM</p>
<p>Why does it focus on rats? </p>
<p>Er&#8230; because they are way more scary than pigeons, squirrels or cockroaches. This isn&#8217;t about reality &#8211; it&#8217;s about getting publicity for an insurance company.</p>
<p>If they could have come up with a story that said man-eating alligators are going to come up from the sewers and eat your left-over pizza, before tucking into your baby for dessert, then I suspect they probably would &#8211; just as long as they got a plug for Esure in there.</p>
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		<title>By: JonM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21397</link>
		<dc:creator>JonM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To MJS

Right, yeah, the plague. I was being slightly flippant, mainly because the article was illustrated by a very nice picture of a cute rat.

You know you can get plague from squirrels in the USA? (Seriously big warning signs about the dangers of squirrels in Utah/Arizona) 

No one ever makes the same fuss about squirrels as they do about rats. I guess my point was why does this &quot;study&quot; focus on rats? (And not cockroaches as someone else pointed out) 

Pigeons apparently carry 37 diseases which are communicable to humans. And I seem to see far more pigeons than rats whenever I go into the city centre.

And yes, despite liking rats, I wouldn&#039;t really want to share my house with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To MJS</p>
<p>Right, yeah, the plague. I was being slightly flippant, mainly because the article was illustrated by a very nice picture of a cute rat.</p>
<p>You know you can get plague from squirrels in the USA? (Seriously big warning signs about the dangers of squirrels in Utah/Arizona) </p>
<p>No one ever makes the same fuss about squirrels as they do about rats. I guess my point was why does this &#8220;study&#8221; focus on rats? (And not cockroaches as someone else pointed out) </p>
<p>Pigeons apparently carry 37 diseases which are communicable to humans. And I seem to see far more pigeons than rats whenever I go into the city centre.</p>
<p>And yes, despite liking rats, I wouldn&#8217;t really want to share my house with them.</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderJ</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21396</link>
		<dc:creator>SpiderJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strangely enough the only organisations with a vested interest in keeping both PR people AND journalists honest are the polling companies themselves.

It&#039;s pretty well known within the industry that if you want to run a &#039;puff&#039; survey, then you don&#039;t go to one of the big players (e.g. YouGov) - since they need to maintain a certain level of quality (although I&#039;m not claiming that their results are always correct, especially regarding voting intentions). They require any press release using the data to be submitted to them and won&#039;t allow spurious claims to be made that the data doesn&#039;t support.

It&#039;s incredibly easy to use something like &#039;SurveyMonkey&#039; or more maleable research firms who will come out with the results you want to achieve, irrespective of what reality might actually look like.

To Luckypeachtree - your point is valid to a certain extent. But there is still sufficient demand for newspapers/web-sites, etc. who provide more than just celeb gossip and a horoscope. Otherwise no-one would be publishing this column in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strangely enough the only organisations with a vested interest in keeping both PR people AND journalists honest are the polling companies themselves.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty well known within the industry that if you want to run a &#8216;puff&#8217; survey, then you don&#8217;t go to one of the big players (e.g. YouGov) &#8211; since they need to maintain a certain level of quality (although I&#8217;m not claiming that their results are always correct, especially regarding voting intentions). They require any press release using the data to be submitted to them and won&#8217;t allow spurious claims to be made that the data doesn&#8217;t support.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s incredibly easy to use something like &#8216;SurveyMonkey&#8217; or more maleable research firms who will come out with the results you want to achieve, irrespective of what reality might actually look like.</p>
<p>To Luckypeachtree &#8211; your point is valid to a certain extent. But there is still sufficient demand for newspapers/web-sites, etc. who provide more than just celeb gossip and a horoscope. Otherwise no-one would be publishing this column in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: mjs</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21394</link>
		<dc:creator>mjs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to JonM, #34:

Oh, you know. That whole &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;plague&lt;/a&gt; thing kind of gave them a bad reputation. Especially in &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plague_of_London&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;London&lt;/a&gt;.

Granted, it is really a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dhpe.org/infect/plague.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bacterium&lt;/a&gt; which is responsible. But the rat brings the flea what brings the bacteria, so you can&#039;t exactly ignore that.

They are vectors for other &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratbehavior.org/WildRatDisease.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;diseases&lt;/a&gt;, as well. 

* 
I suppose they do function (sloppily) as a self-propelling garbage disposal. 

Sorry to put too fine a point on it, but a rat will also urinate &amp; defecate after consuming food. &lt;i&gt;&quot;One rat produces 20-50 droppings per day and excretes 14 ml of urine per day.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&quot;One rat produces 20-50 droppings per day and excretes 14 ml of urine per day&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/website/lectures/lecture/ratfever.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;). So I&#039;m personally not so sure how clean streets will be where a large number of rats dine well. 

* 
That said, tame rats can make wonderful pets. If you get them young and handle them well, they can be very sweet. 

*
All of which is kind of beside the point of the original post (which looks to be more about freedom of information). 

But I thought that, if you were serious about not knowing why rat increases get media play? It might help in case you were ever tempted to rent or buy a place with an actual rat problem. 

....Plus I couldn&#039;t resist... Forgetting the Plague? Tsk, tsk... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to JonM, #34:</p>
<p>Oh, you know. That whole <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/" rel="nofollow">plague</a> thing kind of gave them a bad reputation. Especially in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plague_of_London" rel="nofollow">London</a>.</p>
<p>Granted, it is really a <a href="http://www.dhpe.org/infect/plague.html" rel="nofollow">bacterium</a> which is responsible. But the rat brings the flea what brings the bacteria, so you can&#8217;t exactly ignore that.</p>
<p>They are vectors for other <a href="http://www.ratbehavior.org/WildRatDisease.htm" rel="nofollow">diseases</a>, as well. </p>
<p>*<br />
I suppose they do function (sloppily) as a self-propelling garbage disposal. </p>
<p>Sorry to put too fine a point on it, but a rat will also urinate &amp; defecate after consuming food. <i>&#8220;One rat produces 20-50 droppings per day and excretes 14 ml of urine per day.&#8221;</i>&#8220;One rat produces 20-50 droppings per day and excretes 14 ml of urine per day&#8221; (<a href="http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/website/lectures/lecture/ratfever.htm" rel="nofollow">source</a>). So I&#8217;m personally not so sure how clean streets will be where a large number of rats dine well. </p>
<p>*<br />
That said, tame rats can make wonderful pets. If you get them young and handle them well, they can be very sweet. </p>
<p>*<br />
All of which is kind of beside the point of the original post (which looks to be more about freedom of information). </p>
<p>But I thought that, if you were serious about not knowing why rat increases get media play? It might help in case you were ever tempted to rent or buy a place with an actual rat problem. </p>
<p>&#8230;.Plus I couldn&#8217;t resist&#8230; Forgetting the Plague? Tsk, tsk&#8230; <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JonM</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21393</link>
		<dc:creator>JonM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I signed up just so I could say I quite like rats and I don&#039;t know what the fuss is. Okay, so they&#039;re unhygienic and they spread disease, but so do people.

On the plus side, they do eat rubbish and keep the streets relatively clean, for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I signed up just so I could say I quite like rats and I don&#8217;t know what the fuss is. Okay, so they&#8217;re unhygienic and they spread disease, but so do people.</p>
<p>On the plus side, they do eat rubbish and keep the streets relatively clean, for free.</p>
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		<title>By: emilypk</title>
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		<dc:creator>emilypk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A grammar checker might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A grammar checker might.</p>
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		<title>By: benb</title>
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		<dc:creator>benb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@icthyophile: &quot;...I’m sure people don’t mind being told that they need to “bee” logged in to post a comment - but sooner or later I expect someone is going to tell you that a man who can’t use a spellchecker can’t be taken seriously as an evangelist for good science...&quot;

a spellchecker wouldn&#039;t flag up bee as a problem, as it&#039;s a valid word</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@icthyophile: &#8220;&#8230;I’m sure people don’t mind being told that they need to “bee” logged in to post a comment &#8211; but sooner or later I expect someone is going to tell you that a man who can’t use a spellchecker can’t be taken seriously as an evangelist for good science&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>a spellchecker wouldn&#8217;t flag up bee as a problem, as it&#8217;s a valid word</p>
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		<title>By: luckypeachtree</title>
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		<dc:creator>luckypeachtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@26, as a former client who never saw a PR proposal without a pseudo-survey, I agree with the lazy journalists comment but would add lazy PR professionals to the list of people who might like to become more rigorous.

Presumably the &#039;Why?&#039; is just the newspaper business model - advertising + news = content. If you need to sell X pages of advertising to stay solvent, you want to print a further Y of pages to look like a newspaper and not a mailer from a bad furniture company. Unless you can think up another business model for these guys I guess you have to put up with a certain amount of crap reporting. Agree with SpiderJ, leave these idjits be, find some more persuasive morons on whom to spend your precious time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@26, as a former client who never saw a PR proposal without a pseudo-survey, I agree with the lazy journalists comment but would add lazy PR professionals to the list of people who might like to become more rigorous.</p>
<p>Presumably the &#8216;Why?&#8217; is just the newspaper business model &#8211; advertising + news = content. If you need to sell X pages of advertising to stay solvent, you want to print a further Y of pages to look like a newspaper and not a mailer from a bad furniture company. Unless you can think up another business model for these guys I guess you have to put up with a certain amount of crap reporting. Agree with SpiderJ, leave these idjits be, find some more persuasive morons on whom to spend your precious time.</p>
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		<title>By: Toenex</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21389</link>
		<dc:creator>Toenex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it fairly true to say that few journalists, our host excluded, have little if any formal scientific training.  This, together with the lure of the catchy headline makes it all too easy for them to forget that the plural of anecdote is not data.  Couple this with an uncritical readership, themselves lost in a sea of opinions all of which are presented in pseudo-jargon rendered using neat fonts and you really have to worry about our future.  Particularly, according to the Express, if you&#039;re a dustbin man.

I&#039;m interested in this idea of &#039;Household reports&#039;.  It has never occured to me that there might be an organisation who would be interested in the number of wasps I&#039;ve had to deal with in the kitchen.  Should I be keeping some kind of record and how do I submit this data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it fairly true to say that few journalists, our host excluded, have little if any formal scientific training.  This, together with the lure of the catchy headline makes it all too easy for them to forget that the plural of anecdote is not data.  Couple this with an uncritical readership, themselves lost in a sea of opinions all of which are presented in pseudo-jargon rendered using neat fonts and you really have to worry about our future.  Particularly, according to the Express, if you&#8217;re a dustbin man.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in this idea of &#8216;Household reports&#8217;.  It has never occured to me that there might be an organisation who would be interested in the number of wasps I&#8217;ve had to deal with in the kitchen.  Should I be keeping some kind of record and how do I submit this data?</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpiderJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick postscript - I do think it&#039;s worth making a distinction between those surveys done for marketing purposes, which tend to be quite obvious, and &#039;scientific research&#039; from people like Mr Coghill. 

The former very rarely claims to be &#039;scientific&#039; and is often very clearly used to promote a company, while the latter uses a mantle of respectability to make &#039;scientific&#039; claims about some very serious issues.

Personally I read Bad Science for the latter - the former is just too easy to pick apart by science idiots like me. It&#039;s the insiduous nature of pseudo-science that I find much more scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick postscript &#8211; I do think it&#8217;s worth making a distinction between those surveys done for marketing purposes, which tend to be quite obvious, and &#8217;scientific research&#8217; from people like Mr Coghill. </p>
<p>The former very rarely claims to be &#8217;scientific&#8217; and is often very clearly used to promote a company, while the latter uses a mantle of respectability to make &#8217;scientific&#8217; claims about some very serious issues.</p>
<p>Personally I read Bad Science for the latter &#8211; the former is just too easy to pick apart by science idiots like me. It&#8217;s the insiduous nature of pseudo-science that I find much more scary.</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderJ</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21386</link>
		<dc:creator>SpiderJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of being ostracised from this place, I should explain that I work in PR, and have run surveys to highlight issues for my clients.

However, I always advise clients to make the raw data available, and most of them do, if requested to do so by a journalist.

What is interesting to note - is how very rare it is for journalists to ask to see the raw data. 

While certain PR companies (and their clients) may well be trying to pull a fast one by using poor data (or poor analysis of the data), this is only made possible by the extremely lax attitude of the majority of the media.

It has become a vicious circle - journalists see surveys as an easy way to fill column inches with accompanying scary headlines (you never see a survey giving you good news, do you?) and PR people see it as an easy way to get coverage for their clients.

The only real way to stop this is for journalists to become more rigorous in their questioning (or even asking ANY questions). But don&#039;t hold your breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of being ostracised from this place, I should explain that I work in PR, and have run surveys to highlight issues for my clients.</p>
<p>However, I always advise clients to make the raw data available, and most of them do, if requested to do so by a journalist.</p>
<p>What is interesting to note &#8211; is how very rare it is for journalists to ask to see the raw data. </p>
<p>While certain PR companies (and their clients) may well be trying to pull a fast one by using poor data (or poor analysis of the data), this is only made possible by the extremely lax attitude of the majority of the media.</p>
<p>It has become a vicious circle &#8211; journalists see surveys as an easy way to fill column inches with accompanying scary headlines (you never see a survey giving you good news, do you?) and PR people see it as an easy way to get coverage for their clients.</p>
<p>The only real way to stop this is for journalists to become more rigorous in their questioning (or even asking ANY questions). But don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
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		<title>By: emilypk</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21385</link>
		<dc:creator>emilypk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Around this time of year various northern hemisphere location have a rat panic, like clockwork.  Like they never saw rats before and haven&#039;t thought deeply about what summer does to the food supply and the amount of time all animals (human and vermin) spend outside noticing each other.  If you ever get the alleged data I&#039;d be happy to look it over too--I spent a good decade studying rats and they are, overall, very sensible and predicatble creatures easily deterred by a rubbish bin with a lid.  It&#039;s the people that cause problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around this time of year various northern hemisphere location have a rat panic, like clockwork.  Like they never saw rats before and haven&#8217;t thought deeply about what summer does to the food supply and the amount of time all animals (human and vermin) spend outside noticing each other.  If you ever get the alleged data I&#8217;d be happy to look it over too&#8211;I spent a good decade studying rats and they are, overall, very sensible and predicatble creatures easily deterred by a rubbish bin with a lid.  It&#8217;s the people that cause problems.</p>
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		<title>By: outeast</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21384</link>
		<dc:creator>outeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, another dodgy survey followed up by kneejerk reporting: so far, so nonstory. Why is this worth the Bad Science treatment? Is it just because it facilitates the posting of pretty rat pictures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, another dodgy survey followed up by kneejerk reporting: so far, so nonstory. Why is this worth the Bad Science treatment? Is it just because it facilitates the posting of pretty rat pictures?</p>
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		<title>By: simonturner</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21383</link>
		<dc:creator>simonturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David44
May I suggest you read Nick Davies&#039; excellent Flat Earth News http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flat-Earth-News-Award-winning-Distortion/dp/0701181451/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215418475&amp;sr=8-1
In short, the answer is &quot;yes&quot; they put it on the front page without checking, but the book answers the more complex question &quot;why?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David44<br />
May I suggest you read Nick Davies&#8217; excellent Flat Earth News <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flat-Earth-News-Award-winning-Distortion/dp/0701181451/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215418475&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flat-Earth-News-Award-winning-Distortion/dp/0701181451/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215418475&amp;sr=8-1</a><br />
In short, the answer is &#8220;yes&#8221; they put it on the front page without checking, but the book answers the more complex question &#8220;why?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: David44</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21382</link>
		<dc:creator>David44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so here&#039;s a silly question, and probably one that&#039;s been answered countless times here.  What exactly going on in these journalists&#039; heads?  Some PR person sends them a press release, and they - what?  Simply put it onto the front page of the paper without performing any elementary checks on its credibility?  If I sent the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph a press release saying (e.g.) that my statistical research has proved that people who take beach holidays have worse sex lives than those who go hill walking, wouldn&#039;t anyone bother to check whether I had actually done any statistical research, or whether the research I had done actually proved what I said it proved?

Perhaps we should be amazed not that there is so much garbage in these papers, but that there is so little (relatively speaking), since they appear to be laying themselves open to every con-man in the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so here&#8217;s a silly question, and probably one that&#8217;s been answered countless times here.  What exactly going on in these journalists&#8217; heads?  Some PR person sends them a press release, and they &#8211; what?  Simply put it onto the front page of the paper without performing any elementary checks on its credibility?  If I sent the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph a press release saying (e.g.) that my statistical research has proved that people who take beach holidays have worse sex lives than those who go hill walking, wouldn&#8217;t anyone bother to check whether I had actually done any statistical research, or whether the research I had done actually proved what I said it proved?</p>
<p>Perhaps we should be amazed not that there is so much garbage in these papers, but that there is so little (relatively speaking), since they appear to be laying themselves open to every con-man in the country.</p>
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		<title>By: aidan</title>
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		<dc:creator>aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on PR regulation -- the CIPR might be interested in taking a view on shoddy research. it&#039;s hardly something i imagine they&#039;d think reflects well on the industry.

http://www.cipr.co.uk/About/index.htm

be interesting to know if they have relevant best practice guides; whether there&#039;s anything in their training about good practice with surveys, etc.

there&#039;s nothing explicit in the code of conduct
http://www.cipr.co.uk/Membership/conduct/index.htm

but one of their &quot;fundamental principles of good practice&quot; is &quot;Checking the reliability and accuracy of information before dissemination&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on PR regulation &#8212; the CIPR might be interested in taking a view on shoddy research. it&#8217;s hardly something i imagine they&#8217;d think reflects well on the industry.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cipr.co.uk/About/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cipr.co.uk/About/index.htm</a></p>
<p>be interesting to know if they have relevant best practice guides; whether there&#8217;s anything in their training about good practice with surveys, etc.</p>
<p>there&#8217;s nothing explicit in the code of conduct<br />
<a href="http://www.cipr.co.uk/Membership/conduct/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cipr.co.uk/Membership/conduct/index.htm</a></p>
<p>but one of their &#8220;fundamental principles of good practice&#8221; is &#8220;Checking the reliability and accuracy of information before dissemination&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Despard</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/07/mischief-pr-and-more-top-secret-data/comment-page-1/#comment-21377</link>
		<dc:creator>Despard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It won&#039;t get them my custom, for a start!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It won&#8217;t get them my custom, for a start!</p>
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