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		<title>By: NickInHamburg</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-29362</link>
		<dc:creator>NickInHamburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good few years ago now I was suffering a bad cold (no, I don&#039;t think it was the flu) and I tried taking Boots &quot;Vitamin C with Bioflavaniods&quot; ... merely because I believed that it would help my body in fighting the cold and &lt;i&gt;might have&lt;/i&gt; shortened the suffereing by a little.

The recommended doseage was 1-a-day, and I took 2.

I was VERY surprised when within about 15 minutes the symptons all but vanished and I was feeling hugely better ... about 2 hours later the effects wore off and I was feeling very rough again ... so I took another 2 tablets .. and the symptoms were gone again.

I would like to point out that I did check the effect of taking such a high dose of Vit-C and over the short term my understanding was that if you take too much Vit-C the biggest effect to worry about is the laxative effect :O) ... over the long term there are other problems ... but I only had the cold for about a week (I guess it didn&#039;t reduce the actual length of the cold any)

Unfortunately, the year later Boots were nolonger doing the tablets, and the standard Vit-C without the Bioflavaniods just didn&#039;t work the same, so I was back to suffering along like everyone else.


Gothgirl, you have it right, a few years ago I was working backstage for a play when I went down with the Flu 2 days before curtain-up and I was the only person who could run the sound-desk ... a friend told me that if I felt up to actually doing it, so long as I coughed into a hanky, rather than spreading my joy around ;O), then no-one else would get it ... sure enough it was spot on advice ... on-one else did get ill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good few years ago now I was suffering a bad cold (no, I don&#8217;t think it was the flu) and I tried taking Boots &#8220;Vitamin C with Bioflavaniods&#8221; &#8230; merely because I believed that it would help my body in fighting the cold and <i>might have</i> shortened the suffereing by a little.</p>
<p>The recommended doseage was 1-a-day, and I took 2.</p>
<p>I was VERY surprised when within about 15 minutes the symptons all but vanished and I was feeling hugely better &#8230; about 2 hours later the effects wore off and I was feeling very rough again &#8230; so I took another 2 tablets .. and the symptoms were gone again.</p>
<p>I would like to point out that I did check the effect of taking such a high dose of Vit-C and over the short term my understanding was that if you take too much Vit-C the biggest effect to worry about is the laxative effect :O) &#8230; over the long term there are other problems &#8230; but I only had the cold for about a week (I guess it didn&#8217;t reduce the actual length of the cold any)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the year later Boots were nolonger doing the tablets, and the standard Vit-C without the Bioflavaniods just didn&#8217;t work the same, so I was back to suffering along like everyone else.</p>
<p>Gothgirl, you have it right, a few years ago I was working backstage for a play when I went down with the Flu 2 days before curtain-up and I was the only person who could run the sound-desk &#8230; a friend told me that if I felt up to actually doing it, so long as I coughed into a hanky, rather than spreading my joy around ;O), then no-one else would get it &#8230; sure enough it was spot on advice &#8230; on-one else did get ill.</p>
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		<title>By: gothgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-28292</link>
		<dc:creator>gothgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an issue which is particularly bothering me at the moment.  As a science teacher I often pick out examples of bad science from the media to engage my class in discussion and debate, and highlight the importance of proper data collection and handling.  

However, my school is currently experiencing a lot of staff absence (which is perfectly expected given the time of year and the fact we have daily contact with 1000 students who are coughing and sneezing their germs all over us).  However, a directive from the school assures us that it is nothing a little vitamin C won&#039;t cure, and has procured a supply of high strength pills, at school (and thus taxpayer) expense, for us all to take to prevent colds and even swine flu.

Far be it from me to point out the problem with this plan, but the fact that my disease prevention plan (having the children sneeze into tissues and wash their hands occasionally) was rubbished as being &#039;impractical&#039; has me particularly riled. I can only hope that there is a placebo benefit from this regimen.

What is the world coming to when science teachers don&#039;t know a baseless marketing ploy when they see one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an issue which is particularly bothering me at the moment.  As a science teacher I often pick out examples of bad science from the media to engage my class in discussion and debate, and highlight the importance of proper data collection and handling.  </p>
<p>However, my school is currently experiencing a lot of staff absence (which is perfectly expected given the time of year and the fact we have daily contact with 1000 students who are coughing and sneezing their germs all over us).  However, a directive from the school assures us that it is nothing a little vitamin C won&#8217;t cure, and has procured a supply of high strength pills, at school (and thus taxpayer) expense, for us all to take to prevent colds and even swine flu.</p>
<p>Far be it from me to point out the problem with this plan, but the fact that my disease prevention plan (having the children sneeze into tissues and wash their hands occasionally) was rubbished as being &#8216;impractical&#8217; has me particularly riled. I can only hope that there is a placebo benefit from this regimen.</p>
<p>What is the world coming to when science teachers don&#8217;t know a baseless marketing ploy when they see one.</p>
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		<title>By: garrog</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-23720</link>
		<dc:creator>garrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a GP I often prescribe antibiotics to whinging patients, and I&#039;ve often wondered if I am doing the right thing!
Am I treating an illness, such as a virus, or am I managing a clinical problem? Let&#039;s take the &quot; managing a clinical problem&quot; scenario a little more seriously, as follows:
Patients sometimes get a pneumonia and die from viral respiratory tract illnesses; they often find access to healthcare tricky and after an initial visit, can be reassurred by the advice &quot; take a few paracetamol and drink lots of hot fruit drinks and go and wait at home till it gets better&quot;, and they sometimes get very ill as a result. very occassionally that is. If this happens on my watch, then I get a complaint. I don&#039;t like getting complaints. 
So, what I would like to know, Ben, is what the science of this &quot;clinical management&quot; scenario is. How many 80 year old LOL ( little old ladies) with a cold, if left alone, will get a pneumonia? and how many will not, if given an antibiotic? with the proviso that they don&#039;t have access to medical intervention in the meanwhile ( its a bank holiday weekend and the Out of hours service is crap at seeing people with viruses).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a GP I often prescribe antibiotics to whinging patients, and I&#8217;ve often wondered if I am doing the right thing!<br />
Am I treating an illness, such as a virus, or am I managing a clinical problem? Let&#8217;s take the &#8221; managing a clinical problem&#8221; scenario a little more seriously, as follows:<br />
Patients sometimes get a pneumonia and die from viral respiratory tract illnesses; they often find access to healthcare tricky and after an initial visit, can be reassurred by the advice &#8221; take a few paracetamol and drink lots of hot fruit drinks and go and wait at home till it gets better&#8221;, and they sometimes get very ill as a result. very occassionally that is. If this happens on my watch, then I get a complaint. I don&#8217;t like getting complaints.<br />
So, what I would like to know, Ben, is what the science of this &#8220;clinical management&#8221; scenario is. How many 80 year old LOL ( little old ladies) with a cold, if left alone, will get a pneumonia? and how many will not, if given an antibiotic? with the proviso that they don&#8217;t have access to medical intervention in the meanwhile ( its a bank holiday weekend and the Out of hours service is crap at seeing people with viruses).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wainwright</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-23273</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wainwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;70% concluded that reprimand was more effective than reward in producing punctuality from the child. It’s a touching testament to their own beliefs about the world.&quot;

It isn&#039;t though; it&#039;s good old regression to the mean. If you punish a late child, the punishment will seem to work when it regresses to an earlier time. If you reward an early child, the reward will seem to have been counterproductive when it regresses to a later time.

This is a very generally applicable lesson in why praising and rewarding children (and adults) is a better idea than experience suggests, and punishing and censuring them a worse one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;70% concluded that reprimand was more effective than reward in producing punctuality from the child. It’s a touching testament to their own beliefs about the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t though; it&#8217;s good old regression to the mean. If you punish a late child, the punishment will seem to work when it regresses to an earlier time. If you reward an early child, the reward will seem to have been counterproductive when it regresses to a later time.</p>
<p>This is a very generally applicable lesson in why praising and rewarding children (and adults) is a better idea than experience suggests, and punishing and censuring them a worse one.</p>
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		<title>By: richard_cockshott</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-23175</link>
		<dc:creator>richard_cockshott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in response to nubat, as i understand it the question is does the study have sufficient power to answer the question? Yes a small study may have sufficient power to significantly demonstrate a profound difference in outcomes. i&#039;ll be honest i&#039;ve not looked at the study but i suspect the difference demonstrated is unlikely to be profound. One statistical way to look at this, I think, is to look at the confidence intervals, around the results: broad confidence intervals shows the power of the study likely to be insufficient. I&#039;m sure someone better at statistics will correct me but a good starter for understanding clinical trials is Tricia Greenhalgh, &quot;How to read a paper: the basics of evidence based medicine&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in response to nubat, as i understand it the question is does the study have sufficient power to answer the question? Yes a small study may have sufficient power to significantly demonstrate a profound difference in outcomes. i&#8217;ll be honest i&#8217;ve not looked at the study but i suspect the difference demonstrated is unlikely to be profound. One statistical way to look at this, I think, is to look at the confidence intervals, around the results: broad confidence intervals shows the power of the study likely to be insufficient. I&#8217;m sure someone better at statistics will correct me but a good starter for understanding clinical trials is Tricia Greenhalgh, &#8220;How to read a paper: the basics of evidence based medicine&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Numbat</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-23026</link>
		<dc:creator>Numbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - don&#039;t know what happened there but here&#039;s the rest. P less than 0.01. Would you reject the results on the basis that there are only 180 subjects?

I&#039;m a vet and probably about to astound you with my ignorance. We are the &#039;poor relations&#039; of the the medics and our clinical trails are always small. I&#039;ve always consoled myself by saying that it&#039;s difficult to achieve a statistically significant result with a small sample size.If, therefore there is such a result then there must have been a large difference in outcome between the two groups and I can trust the results. If this isn&#039;t true I&#039;m going to give up on &#039;evidence-based veterinary medicine&#039; and become a homeopath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; don&#8217;t know what happened there but here&#8217;s the rest. P less than 0.01. Would you reject the results on the basis that there are only 180 subjects?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a vet and probably about to astound you with my ignorance. We are the &#8216;poor relations&#8217; of the the medics and our clinical trails are always small. I&#8217;ve always consoled myself by saying that it&#8217;s difficult to achieve a statistically significant result with a small sample size.If, therefore there is such a result then there must have been a large difference in outcome between the two groups and I can trust the results. If this isn&#8217;t true I&#8217;m going to give up on &#8216;evidence-based veterinary medicine&#8217; and become a homeopath.</p>
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		<title>By: Numbat</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-23025</link>
		<dc:creator>Numbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I&#039;m a tail-end Charlie here but I only discovered the website yesterday. I agree the foot immersion study was a bit ridiculous as they didn&#039;t include any data on how many times the subjects walked across the tiled floor with no socks on or went outside with wet hair (which according to my Italian mother in law are the two major risk factors for the common cold).

However, just imagine if you will that this had been a well designed, double blind placebo controlled clinical trial returning a statistically significant result (p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m a tail-end Charlie here but I only discovered the website yesterday. I agree the foot immersion study was a bit ridiculous as they didn&#8217;t include any data on how many times the subjects walked across the tiled floor with no socks on or went outside with wet hair (which according to my Italian mother in law are the two major risk factors for the common cold).</p>
<p>However, just imagine if you will that this had been a well designed, double blind placebo controlled clinical trial returning a statistically significant result (p</p>
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		<title>By: dmcclure</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please correct me if I&#039;m wrong - fever and the raised temperature and sweating that accompanies it are a necessary part of cold elimination and it is this sweating/heat which partly gets rid of the cold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong &#8211; fever and the raised temperature and sweating that accompanies it are a necessary part of cold elimination and it is this sweating/heat which partly gets rid of the cold.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Dingley</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-22939</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Dingley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a new one for megadose VitC. Seems that it cures posion ivy rash too (recently added to the wiki article on &quot;Urushiol-induced_contact_dermatitis&quot;), &quot;Powdered vitamin C mixed with water to form a paste and applied to poison ivy or oak will usually effect a cure in 24 hours when adequate vitamin C is also taken by mouth.&quot;

Frederick Robert Klenner, B.S., M.S., M.D., F.C.C.P., A.A.F.P. (Spring 1974). &quot;Significance of High Daily Intake of Ascorbic Acid in Preventive Medicine&quot;. Journal of the International Academy of Preventive Medicine, Spring 1974, Volume 1, Number 1, pp. 45-69.

http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/klenner-fr-j_int_assn_prev_med-1974-v1-n1-p45.htm

Funniest of all though has to be this (ibid.), &quot;Lightning victims can also be saved. I have done it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a new one for megadose VitC. Seems that it cures posion ivy rash too (recently added to the wiki article on &#8220;Urushiol-induced_contact_dermatitis&#8221;), &#8220;Powdered vitamin C mixed with water to form a paste and applied to poison ivy or oak will usually effect a cure in 24 hours when adequate vitamin C is also taken by mouth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Frederick Robert Klenner, B.S., M.S., M.D., F.C.C.P., A.A.F.P. (Spring 1974). &#8220;Significance of High Daily Intake of Ascorbic Acid in Preventive Medicine&#8221;. Journal of the International Academy of Preventive Medicine, Spring 1974, Volume 1, Number 1, pp. 45-69.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/klenner-fr-j_int_assn_prev_med-1974-v1-n1-p45.htm" rel="nofollow">www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/klenner-fr-j_int_assn_prev_med-1974-v1-n1-p45.htm</a></p>
<p>Funniest of all though has to be this (ibid.), &#8220;Lightning victims can also be saved. I have done it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr* T</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-22898</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr* T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of dubious methodology (and that control is nonsensical, please) it doesn&#039;t do anything that the Times article says it does. My mother never warned me about putting my feet in ice cold water. The article talks about wrapping up warm to prevent colds, which has not been investigated in this research. 

Seems like Cardiff trying to fluff up their PR rating and nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of dubious methodology (and that control is nonsensical, please) it doesn&#8217;t do anything that the Times article says it does. My mother never warned me about putting my feet in ice cold water. The article talks about wrapping up warm to prevent colds, which has not been investigated in this research. </p>
<p>Seems like Cardiff trying to fluff up their PR rating and nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew_F</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-22897</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew_F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those results seem to suggest that between 10 and 35 people would conclude doctors are useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those results seem to suggest that between 10 and 35 people would conclude doctors are useless.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-22896</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well they describe the empty bowls as a control procedure. More problematic maybe is that there were only 180 people - so a pretty small study to draw sweeping conclusions from.

&quot;Claire Johnson and Ronald Eccles, Acute cooling of the feet and the onset of common cold symptoms Fam. Pract., December 2005; 22: 608 - 613.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well they describe the empty bowls as a control procedure. More problematic maybe is that there were only 180 people &#8211; so a pretty small study to draw sweeping conclusions from.</p>
<p>&#8220;Claire Johnson and Ronald Eccles, Acute cooling of the feet and the onset of common cold symptoms Fam. Pract., December 2005; 22: 608 &#8211; 613.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr* T</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-22895</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr* T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alison - did you look at the protocol? 

&quot;Half of the participants immersed their feet in bowls of ice-cold water for 20 minutes. The others sat with their feet in empty bowls&quot;

I think this is an attempt at placebo. I haven&#039;t read the original paper, but the report doesn&#039;t fill me with confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alison &#8211; did you look at the protocol? </p>
<p>&#8220;Half of the participants immersed their feet in bowls of ice-cold water for 20 minutes. The others sat with their feet in empty bowls&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is an attempt at placebo. I haven&#8217;t read the original paper, but the report doesn&#8217;t fill me with confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-22894</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This study from Cardiff University says Mum was right:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article589905.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This study from Cardiff University says Mum was right:<br />
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article589905.ece" rel="nofollow">www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article589905.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: smithers</title>
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		<dc:creator>smithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always wondered, does getting cold and/or wet actually increase your chances of getting a cold?  Or was I just having the fun squeezed out of my childhood by an over-protective Mum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always wondered, does getting cold and/or wet actually increase your chances of getting a cold?  Or was I just having the fun squeezed out of my childhood by an over-protective Mum?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you prepare your backup column in advance to use when you do have a cold?  Or is it a less stressful number not requiring research?  Good luck getting well.  I think I may have the cold too, having previously imagined that cycling in rather chilly weather,  deep breathing especially, could be giving me transient symptoms without the actual lurgy.  Oh well.  Lousy weather and the bus to work tomorrow anyway.  

And meanwhile, further alarming and questionable advice about colds.  (Once a correspondent to the Guardian&#039;s &quot;Notes and Queries&quot; explained with superficial sanity that fax machines, the thing of the day, had the practical drawback that the secret GCHQ office received a copy of everything sent by any fax machine in the country.  So much paper...)  Heating your bedroom is a nice idea, don&#039;t use central heating, a little electric heater and enough ventilation so you don&#039;t suffocate.  I can&#039;t sit naked and read in my bedroom at 3 am because the light&#039;s off.  But paracetamol makes the cold longer?  Nasty thought there.  It does, however, make it more bearable.  Perhaps that&#039;s the problem, dose yourself and go to work and get stressed, or don&#039;t dose and spend the day watching TV from your bed, much healthier.  Regardless, as this article explains, you -will- get better, unless it&#039;s bird flu after all.  Drugging up to -feel- better seem  completely reasonable to me, and doesn&#039;t it stand to reason that if you pharmacise your closed sinuses open again, they&#039;re less likely to go nastier still?  Maybe not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you prepare your backup column in advance to use when you do have a cold?  Or is it a less stressful number not requiring research?  Good luck getting well.  I think I may have the cold too, having previously imagined that cycling in rather chilly weather,  deep breathing especially, could be giving me transient symptoms without the actual lurgy.  Oh well.  Lousy weather and the bus to work tomorrow anyway.  </p>
<p>And meanwhile, further alarming and questionable advice about colds.  (Once a correspondent to the Guardian&#8217;s &#8220;Notes and Queries&#8221; explained with superficial sanity that fax machines, the thing of the day, had the practical drawback that the secret GCHQ office received a copy of everything sent by any fax machine in the country.  So much paper&#8230;)  Heating your bedroom is a nice idea, don&#8217;t use central heating, a little electric heater and enough ventilation so you don&#8217;t suffocate.  I can&#8217;t sit naked and read in my bedroom at 3 am because the light&#8217;s off.  But paracetamol makes the cold longer?  Nasty thought there.  It does, however, make it more bearable.  Perhaps that&#8217;s the problem, dose yourself and go to work and get stressed, or don&#8217;t dose and spend the day watching TV from your bed, much healthier.  Regardless, as this article explains, you -will- get better, unless it&#8217;s bird flu after all.  Drugging up to -feel- better seem  completely reasonable to me, and doesn&#8217;t it stand to reason that if you pharmacise your closed sinuses open again, they&#8217;re less likely to go nastier still?  Maybe not?</p>
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		<title>By: warhelmet</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing works faster than Anadin. That&#039;s why I take nothing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing works faster than Anadin. That&#8217;s why I take nothing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: emen</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-22890</link>
		<dc:creator>emen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, the theory is to lower only a temperature over 40 C, but I take something for it sooner than that. I don&#039;t want to check my temperature every hour at night just to make sure I notice when it is &quot;too high&quot;. 

As for Squander Two&#039;s idea: of course the best way to recover from a cold is to go to bed for 2 days and do nothing (have somebody look after you). 
Compare women with small children, who catch &quot;a cold&quot; in September and can&#039;t shake &quot;it&quot; off until May - that&#039;s because they can&#039;t just stop, they catch every bug from their kids and they are sleep-deprived because they are looking after everybody else at night. Nobody offers them a gold star for it (sorry Ben), and the doctor will just shrug his shoulders, oh, it&#039;s part of having a family, there is nothing you can do.   
Enter the alternative therapists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, the theory is to lower only a temperature over 40 C, but I take something for it sooner than that. I don&#8217;t want to check my temperature every hour at night just to make sure I notice when it is &#8220;too high&#8221;. </p>
<p>As for Squander Two&#8217;s idea: of course the best way to recover from a cold is to go to bed for 2 days and do nothing (have somebody look after you).<br />
Compare women with small children, who catch &#8220;a cold&#8221; in September and can&#8217;t shake &#8220;it&#8221; off until May &#8211; that&#8217;s because they can&#8217;t just stop, they catch every bug from their kids and they are sleep-deprived because they are looking after everybody else at night. Nobody offers them a gold star for it (sorry Ben), and the doctor will just shrug his shoulders, oh, it&#8217;s part of having a family, there is nothing you can do.<br />
Enter the alternative therapists.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2008/11/whinge-moan/comment-page-1/#comment-22889</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SquanderTwo - what you say seems to make sense, yet I wonder if it&#039;s true. While it seems logical that a fever is your body&#039;s way of fighting infection, doctors will always tell you to try to lower your temperature if you have a fever, usually with paracetamol or (in children) Calpol. I assume there is actually a medical reason for this, rather than just that doctors are in thrall to pharmaceutical companies.

It&#039;s at times like these when we need a doctor to explain it to us. If only there were one on this site...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SquanderTwo &#8211; what you say seems to make sense, yet I wonder if it&#8217;s true. While it seems logical that a fever is your body&#8217;s way of fighting infection, doctors will always tell you to try to lower your temperature if you have a fever, usually with paracetamol or (in children) Calpol. I assume there is actually a medical reason for this, rather than just that doctors are in thrall to pharmaceutical companies.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s at times like these when we need a doctor to explain it to us. If only there were one on this site&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bwg</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah, so according to Waider&#039;s quack, all my sleep problems will be solved if I kip in a warm bedroom?  Sod that the heat gives me restless legs which keeps me and my bloke awake when I flail about trying to rid myself of that particular affliction, or that when it is warm I struggle to sleep cause my throat and nose feel blocked. Not to mention when I finally do drop off I am assured to wake up with a dry nose and throat as a result. Given half a chance I will sleep with the window open even in the depths of winter.

I&#039;m of the bigjohn756  school of medicine by the way......

I very rarely get the kind of colds that would prevent me from going to work these days but have been a slave to hideous chest infections, Not sure how that will transpire now that I have a diagnosis (and medication for) asthma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah, so according to Waider&#8217;s quack, all my sleep problems will be solved if I kip in a warm bedroom?  Sod that the heat gives me restless legs which keeps me and my bloke awake when I flail about trying to rid myself of that particular affliction, or that when it is warm I struggle to sleep cause my throat and nose feel blocked. Not to mention when I finally do drop off I am assured to wake up with a dry nose and throat as a result. Given half a chance I will sleep with the window open even in the depths of winter.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m of the bigjohn756  school of medicine by the way&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I very rarely get the kind of colds that would prevent me from going to work these days but have been a slave to hideous chest infections, Not sure how that will transpire now that I have a diagnosis (and medication for) asthma.</p>
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