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		<title>By: wayscj</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/02/what-science-issue-shall-we-ask-parliament-to-talk-about/comment-page-2/#comment-28996</link>
		<dc:creator>wayscj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wayscj</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayscj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/02/what-science-issue-shall-we-ask-parliament-to-talk-about/comment-page-2/#comment-27437</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is what i sent in (as you can see i suggested myself among others as a witness, like the giant cock that i am).

&lt;blockquote&gt;An investigation into the appropriateness of pseudosciences such as homeopathy and other alternative therapies being taught as science subjects in universities. 

It is natural that there should be a market for courses to train therapists, or to study these subjects from a sociological perspective. However there is good evidence that these courses are being taught in a way that is plainly inconsistent with the basic tenets of good scholarship: endorsing the selective cherry picking of evidence to suit a case, selectively brushing over inadequate methodologies in studies rather than discussing them critically, misrepresenting the findings of existing research, teaching wholly outlandish ideas as scientific fact, and so on. There are also good grounds for concern about the background of many of those teaching. 

Attempts to investigate this outside of parliament have met a brick wall as the universities involved have refused to disclose teaching materials, exam papers, and so on. Where these have been leaked the contents have been extremely alarming. I have also been contacted by individuals who have signed up for these university degrees – paying for them – and are extremely disappointed to find that instead of being taught about the science behind the alternative therapy, they are instead being taught a string of unevidenced claims by therapists whose practice is based on faith. 

The issue is timely as public pressure is mounting following a series of leaks of exam and teaching materials which have been publicised in the media by myself and others. There are hearings being held in some universities, but generally in secret and there is little evidence of movement. 

A hearing would bring these issues out into the open, and allow the evidence for these worrying and prevalent new academic practices to be discussed publicly so that a balanced view can be reached on the standards and principles behind these courses. 

As witnesses I would suggest myself and Professor David Colquhoun of UCL, experts in evidence based medicine and basic scholarship (I can recommend), university heads and heads of department for the instutions where these courses are taught, individual tutors, and individual students, whose contacts I can give you, with their permission. 

Many thanks, 

Ben
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is what i sent in (as you can see i suggested myself among others as a witness, like the giant cock that i am).</p>
<blockquote><p>An investigation into the appropriateness of pseudosciences such as homeopathy and other alternative therapies being taught as science subjects in universities. </p>
<p>It is natural that there should be a market for courses to train therapists, or to study these subjects from a sociological perspective. However there is good evidence that these courses are being taught in a way that is plainly inconsistent with the basic tenets of good scholarship: endorsing the selective cherry picking of evidence to suit a case, selectively brushing over inadequate methodologies in studies rather than discussing them critically, misrepresenting the findings of existing research, teaching wholly outlandish ideas as scientific fact, and so on. There are also good grounds for concern about the background of many of those teaching. </p>
<p>Attempts to investigate this outside of parliament have met a brick wall as the universities involved have refused to disclose teaching materials, exam papers, and so on. Where these have been leaked the contents have been extremely alarming. I have also been contacted by individuals who have signed up for these university degrees – paying for them – and are extremely disappointed to find that instead of being taught about the science behind the alternative therapy, they are instead being taught a string of unevidenced claims by therapists whose practice is based on faith. </p>
<p>The issue is timely as public pressure is mounting following a series of leaks of exam and teaching materials which have been publicised in the media by myself and others. There are hearings being held in some universities, but generally in secret and there is little evidence of movement. </p>
<p>A hearing would bring these issues out into the open, and allow the evidence for these worrying and prevalent new academic practices to be discussed publicly so that a balanced view can be reached on the standards and principles behind these courses. </p>
<p>As witnesses I would suggest myself and Professor David Colquhoun of UCL, experts in evidence based medicine and basic scholarship (I can recommend), university heads and heads of department for the instutions where these courses are taught, individual tutors, and individual students, whose contacts I can give you, with their permission. </p>
<p>Many thanks, </p>
<p>Ben
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		<title>By: Thrinity333</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thrinity333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 06:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi my name Theresa and I am a science/education student at the University of New South Wales in Australia and I would like to say how much I agree with you. I’m currently in my 3rd year and we’re beginning to study the syllabus, how to implement it (a seemingly mandatory skill many teachers have forgotten), and introducing the concept of scientific literacy and its importance over content knowledge. I feel, and I am sure I would have followers that scientific literacy (the ability to critically analyse information, design and implement experiments, read and interpret graphs and scientific data, all summing to the ability to detect bullshit) is far more resourceful and imperative to a constructive, well informed, scientifically sound community then knowing in 1901 someone invented something that did something.

I have just started reading “Bad Science” and I am extremely amused by its content. I think it is a fascinating read and should be a prescribed text for any aspiring scientists and the whole population, who have had a lack of exposure to scientific literacy.

I think all universities need a regulatory process that insures the main points wanted in science students and teachers are enforced. For example: posing to the United Nations that all school, in every country, implement scientific literacy as a goal for their graduating pupils.  This would also entail universities and colleges cooperation in instructing prospective teaching staff, on how to use the syllabus, and develop their students in this form; because as it has been seen in Australia, where scientific literacy has been the goal of NSW syllabus for the whole 9 years of its instatement, teachers are still found that don’t know how to use the syllabus and who completely ignore the crucial aspects of it and insist on making their students learn the top 20 elements off by heart.

If you have reached thus far into my post then I congratulate and thankyou for taking the time to read my comments. I would like to end with one last point:

When I graduate and become a teacher, if I cannot teach my students anything I at least want them walking out of my class room being scientifically literate so they can contribute to society, actively get involved in discussions in a scientifically correct manner, and not be bamboozled by bad science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi my name Theresa and I am a science/education student at the University of New South Wales in Australia and I would like to say how much I agree with you. I’m currently in my 3rd year and we’re beginning to study the syllabus, how to implement it (a seemingly mandatory skill many teachers have forgotten), and introducing the concept of scientific literacy and its importance over content knowledge. I feel, and I am sure I would have followers that scientific literacy (the ability to critically analyse information, design and implement experiments, read and interpret graphs and scientific data, all summing to the ability to detect bullshit) is far more resourceful and imperative to a constructive, well informed, scientifically sound community then knowing in 1901 someone invented something that did something.</p>
<p>I have just started reading “Bad Science” and I am extremely amused by its content. I think it is a fascinating read and should be a prescribed text for any aspiring scientists and the whole population, who have had a lack of exposure to scientific literacy.</p>
<p>I think all universities need a regulatory process that insures the main points wanted in science students and teachers are enforced. For example: posing to the United Nations that all school, in every country, implement scientific literacy as a goal for their graduating pupils.  This would also entail universities and colleges cooperation in instructing prospective teaching staff, on how to use the syllabus, and develop their students in this form; because as it has been seen in Australia, where scientific literacy has been the goal of NSW syllabus for the whole 9 years of its instatement, teachers are still found that don’t know how to use the syllabus and who completely ignore the crucial aspects of it and insist on making their students learn the top 20 elements off by heart.</p>
<p>If you have reached thus far into my post then I congratulate and thankyou for taking the time to read my comments. I would like to end with one last point:</p>
<p>When I graduate and become a teacher, if I cannot teach my students anything I at least want them walking out of my class room being scientifically literate so they can contribute to society, actively get involved in discussions in a scientifically correct manner, and not be bamboozled by bad science.</p>
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		<title>By: ethicspiedpiper</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it possible to produce a standard for what critical thinking is - including the relationship with creative expansive thinking - and blinkered straight line and etc - 
In other words - is the scientific model enough - in the &#039;real&#039; world - with all the fiddly bits &quot;its not that simple&quot;? &quot;whole is more than the sum of the parts&quot;? - &quot;limits of our language{s} are the limits of our world{s}&quot;?

how many people could we get to agree:) - to a declaration of bill of rights - of the human thought - creationist revolutionary to hard line straight as a darwin die progression hard - diversity? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it possible to produce a standard for what critical thinking is &#8211; including the relationship with creative expansive thinking &#8211; and blinkered straight line and etc &#8211;<br />
In other words &#8211; is the scientific model enough &#8211; in the &#8216;real&#8217; world &#8211; with all the fiddly bits &#8220;its not that simple&#8221;? &#8220;whole is more than the sum of the parts&#8221;? &#8211; &#8220;limits of our language{s} are the limits of our world{s}&#8221;?</p>
<p>how many people could we get to agree:) &#8211; to a declaration of bill of rights &#8211; of the human thought &#8211; creationist revolutionary to hard line straight as a darwin die progression hard &#8211; diversity? <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: billyboots</title>
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		<dc:creator>billyboots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to what Eliza said (post #82):
I teach secondary science. In my school we actually do teach about all of the following at GCSE:

- Correlation + cause
- Forming correct/incorrect conclusions from data (e.g. ice cream sales rise in the summer + cases of hay-fever rise in the summer = ice cream causes hay fever?)
- Pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (science and ethics of)
- Planning experiments (understanding how control variables and sample size are important)
- Epidemiological studies (understanding that data are more reliable from a study with: more people, mixed race, mixed sex, wide age range etc)
- &quot;Real difference&quot; (a horrible term - but the idea is recognising that if two sets of data have values that overlap there is not a &#039;real difference&#039; between them
- Placebo effect (blind and double blind trials)
- Vaccinations, vaccine policy, herd immunity (covering the science of vaccines but also the moral, social and financial issues of compulsory vaccination)

All students also do a &quot;Case Study&quot; which makes up 20% of their GCSE. They have to research a topic and weigh up evidence and arguments on both sides before discussing their own conclusion. We encourage them to chose one of the following in Biology:
Is the MMR vaccine safe?
Is there an obesity gene?
Is the British Government right to allow stem cell research?
Is pre-implantation genetic diagnosis ethical?
Is the new cervical cancer vaccination value for money?
Should smoking related lifestyle diseases be treated on the NHS?
Creation or evolution?

Students get marks for showing understanding of the science, finding evidence for both points of view, referencing where they found the information and commenting of how trustworthy each piece of evidence is (i.e. increased confidence if found in peer-reviewed journal) and deciding on their opinion based on all the evidence that they have found.

I hope you agree that all this is beginning to move things in the right direction. Words like &quot;reliable, trustworthy, valid, accurate and precise&quot; are becoming more and more prevalent in the syllabus content and in the exams too. 

All is not lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to what Eliza said (post #82):<br />
I teach secondary science. In my school we actually do teach about all of the following at GCSE:</p>
<p>- Correlation + cause<br />
- Forming correct/incorrect conclusions from data (e.g. ice cream sales rise in the summer + cases of hay-fever rise in the summer = ice cream causes hay fever?)<br />
- Pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (science and ethics of)<br />
- Planning experiments (understanding how control variables and sample size are important)<br />
- Epidemiological studies (understanding that data are more reliable from a study with: more people, mixed race, mixed sex, wide age range etc)<br />
- &#8220;Real difference&#8221; (a horrible term &#8211; but the idea is recognising that if two sets of data have values that overlap there is not a &#8216;real difference&#8217; between them<br />
- Placebo effect (blind and double blind trials)<br />
- Vaccinations, vaccine policy, herd immunity (covering the science of vaccines but also the moral, social and financial issues of compulsory vaccination)</p>
<p>All students also do a &#8220;Case Study&#8221; which makes up 20% of their GCSE. They have to research a topic and weigh up evidence and arguments on both sides before discussing their own conclusion. We encourage them to chose one of the following in Biology:<br />
Is the MMR vaccine safe?<br />
Is there an obesity gene?<br />
Is the British Government right to allow stem cell research?<br />
Is pre-implantation genetic diagnosis ethical?<br />
Is the new cervical cancer vaccination value for money?<br />
Should smoking related lifestyle diseases be treated on the NHS?<br />
Creation or evolution?</p>
<p>Students get marks for showing understanding of the science, finding evidence for both points of view, referencing where they found the information and commenting of how trustworthy each piece of evidence is (i.e. increased confidence if found in peer-reviewed journal) and deciding on their opinion based on all the evidence that they have found.</p>
<p>I hope you agree that all this is beginning to move things in the right direction. Words like &#8220;reliable, trustworthy, valid, accurate and precise&#8221; are becoming more and more prevalent in the syllabus content and in the exams too. </p>
<p>All is not lost.</p>
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		<title>By: DHR</title>
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		<dc:creator>DHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My topic would be the undue influence of the Pharmaceutical industries over medical practice in the UK to the detriment of patient care and at considerable expense to the NHS and social services through unnecessary ill health as a result.


It is common practice for NHS senior consultants to receive large payments from Pharmaceutical companies. Not just for directly promoting some product but by recommending treatment protocols which lead to a requirement for a product that is unnecessary, damaging to the patient’s health, career and family life and would not exist if they received the actual healthcare they needed. This is not as straightforward as simply saying “Everyone must take Statins no matter how bad the side effects or the fact it will  probably only add a couple of months to your lifespan”, it’s also a case of withholding simple cheap cost effective treatment for well know diseases because they make way more money treating the symptoms than they do the cause. The fact that lives are ruined and it costs the NHS huge amounts of money that then  can’t be used to treat other people bothers no one.

Simple, very cost effective treatments that people have used for decades are increasingly being withheld for no good medical reason and on no concrete evidence to the great harm of many hundreds of thousands of people and the only reason anyone can figure out is that by treating the symptoms instead of the cause a lot more drugs are sold. 

Pharmaceutical companies pay for conferences, often somewhere sunny with good golf courses, pay money directly to consultants for “advice”, pay for research studies that tend to be skewed to the results they want and famously gloss over “adverse effects”, they have a huge influence over medical schools and the business in general. Senior consultants make huge amounts of money. Huge. This does not come from the NHS.

Treatment protocols are decided by self appointed “experts” who do not produce any actual evidence or work from unbiased studies but have the backing of many long standing networks that are basically old boys clubs who play the game.  Many of them have fingers in so many pies it’s a wonder they have enough fingers. Editorships of influential journals (so they can dictate what is published, very important) seats on dozens of committees, various lectureships.

Medical training is also dictated by these same bodies. There is no independent body, uninfluenced by these institutions who are influenced by commercial gain, who can verify or arbitrate or protect patient care.

Any doctor brave enough to dissent on behalf of his patients is risking his entire career. 

Metadata analysis, which can be angled to prove any point you want, feature heavily. Actual proper unbiased research is rarely available and any research that proves a counterpoint is completely ignored. In some instances you get senior policy making doctors doing a complete 180 turn on their own recommendations (which are really diktats which less powerful doctors dare not ignore) so that 10 years ago they were recommending sensible well researched treatments and diagnostic procedures and now they are far higher up the professional tree, they are demanding the complete opposite in the teeth of all the evidence and ignoring the justifiable protests of the patients affected. 
What happened in between to change their minds is not explained.

In parts of America a law was passed that every doctor and every Pharmaceutical company had to declare money from any source. They are still having a hard time enforcing it but at least they are trying.
Drug reps have come out and said publicly that it was their job to target consultants in useful positions and offer them money and professional advancement, another key incentive for many, to promote the treatment protocols the company wanted to use to sell more drugs.

It is going to be very hard at this stage to rectify such a well entrenched and corrupt system but all our lives and our families health depends on the extent of the problem being recognised and dealt with. That’s you and your family too if you ever get ill.

All senior doctors and medical researchers should be banned by law from taking any personal payment or any form of professional advancement from pharmaceutical companies, their representatives or anyone other than their hospitals and private patients. 

MP’s have to declare their interests to prevent exactly this sort of thing. Doctors are at least as powerful in their way and they are completely unregulated by any independent body. You cannot count the GMC, the BMA, the RCP or any of that lot because they are up to their eyes in it. They enforce the status quo.

Payment from the pharmaceutical industry to Universities should be preferably banned or at the very least properly overseen and situations such as the Actinel rent a researcher scandal at Sheffield: A should not be allowed to happen at all, and B if they do, should be dealt with heavily and with firings of the entire senior staff instead of ignored as it was that time simply because the UK has no form of enforcement that deals with this sort of corruption.

Simply propose a law to outlaw the payment of any moneys from any source other than their day job to doctors involved in the formulation of treatment protocols on the grounds that it undermines impartiality and lays them open to a charge of a risk of undue influence.
Then wait to see who starts kicking up a fuss and what their excuses are. If they are not getting money to influence them they why would they make a fuss?

This is a very serious problem that is kind of known about but everyone ignores unless they personally fall foul of it.

Please investigate as a matter of priority. Or as I say, just pass a law banning all doctors but most especially senior consultants and professors from taking any sort of payment or advancement from drug companies on pain of being struck off. Easy. If there is no problem then why should they complain? They got into medicine to help people didn’t they?
Not make money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My topic would be the undue influence of the Pharmaceutical industries over medical practice in the UK to the detriment of patient care and at considerable expense to the NHS and social services through unnecessary ill health as a result.</p>
<p>It is common practice for NHS senior consultants to receive large payments from Pharmaceutical companies. Not just for directly promoting some product but by recommending treatment protocols which lead to a requirement for a product that is unnecessary, damaging to the patient’s health, career and family life and would not exist if they received the actual healthcare they needed. This is not as straightforward as simply saying “Everyone must take Statins no matter how bad the side effects or the fact it will  probably only add a couple of months to your lifespan”, it’s also a case of withholding simple cheap cost effective treatment for well know diseases because they make way more money treating the symptoms than they do the cause. The fact that lives are ruined and it costs the NHS huge amounts of money that then  can’t be used to treat other people bothers no one.</p>
<p>Simple, very cost effective treatments that people have used for decades are increasingly being withheld for no good medical reason and on no concrete evidence to the great harm of many hundreds of thousands of people and the only reason anyone can figure out is that by treating the symptoms instead of the cause a lot more drugs are sold. </p>
<p>Pharmaceutical companies pay for conferences, often somewhere sunny with good golf courses, pay money directly to consultants for “advice”, pay for research studies that tend to be skewed to the results they want and famously gloss over “adverse effects”, they have a huge influence over medical schools and the business in general. Senior consultants make huge amounts of money. Huge. This does not come from the NHS.</p>
<p>Treatment protocols are decided by self appointed “experts” who do not produce any actual evidence or work from unbiased studies but have the backing of many long standing networks that are basically old boys clubs who play the game.  Many of them have fingers in so many pies it’s a wonder they have enough fingers. Editorships of influential journals (so they can dictate what is published, very important) seats on dozens of committees, various lectureships.</p>
<p>Medical training is also dictated by these same bodies. There is no independent body, uninfluenced by these institutions who are influenced by commercial gain, who can verify or arbitrate or protect patient care.</p>
<p>Any doctor brave enough to dissent on behalf of his patients is risking his entire career. </p>
<p>Metadata analysis, which can be angled to prove any point you want, feature heavily. Actual proper unbiased research is rarely available and any research that proves a counterpoint is completely ignored. In some instances you get senior policy making doctors doing a complete 180 turn on their own recommendations (which are really diktats which less powerful doctors dare not ignore) so that 10 years ago they were recommending sensible well researched treatments and diagnostic procedures and now they are far higher up the professional tree, they are demanding the complete opposite in the teeth of all the evidence and ignoring the justifiable protests of the patients affected.<br />
What happened in between to change their minds is not explained.</p>
<p>In parts of America a law was passed that every doctor and every Pharmaceutical company had to declare money from any source. They are still having a hard time enforcing it but at least they are trying.<br />
Drug reps have come out and said publicly that it was their job to target consultants in useful positions and offer them money and professional advancement, another key incentive for many, to promote the treatment protocols the company wanted to use to sell more drugs.</p>
<p>It is going to be very hard at this stage to rectify such a well entrenched and corrupt system but all our lives and our families health depends on the extent of the problem being recognised and dealt with. That’s you and your family too if you ever get ill.</p>
<p>All senior doctors and medical researchers should be banned by law from taking any personal payment or any form of professional advancement from pharmaceutical companies, their representatives or anyone other than their hospitals and private patients. </p>
<p>MP’s have to declare their interests to prevent exactly this sort of thing. Doctors are at least as powerful in their way and they are completely unregulated by any independent body. You cannot count the GMC, the BMA, the RCP or any of that lot because they are up to their eyes in it. They enforce the status quo.</p>
<p>Payment from the pharmaceutical industry to Universities should be preferably banned or at the very least properly overseen and situations such as the Actinel rent a researcher scandal at Sheffield: A should not be allowed to happen at all, and B if they do, should be dealt with heavily and with firings of the entire senior staff instead of ignored as it was that time simply because the UK has no form of enforcement that deals with this sort of corruption.</p>
<p>Simply propose a law to outlaw the payment of any moneys from any source other than their day job to doctors involved in the formulation of treatment protocols on the grounds that it undermines impartiality and lays them open to a charge of a risk of undue influence.<br />
Then wait to see who starts kicking up a fuss and what their excuses are. If they are not getting money to influence them they why would they make a fuss?</p>
<p>This is a very serious problem that is kind of known about but everyone ignores unless they personally fall foul of it.</p>
<p>Please investigate as a matter of priority. Or as I say, just pass a law banning all doctors but most especially senior consultants and professors from taking any sort of payment or advancement from drug companies on pain of being struck off. Easy. If there is no problem then why should they complain? They got into medicine to help people didn’t they?<br />
Not make money.</p>
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		<title>By: sciteach@comp</title>
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		<dc:creator>sciteach@comp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t know if this comes under the committee’s remit, but I think they could look at the use of un-necessary scientific jargon, in scientific papers.
I teach students to look critically at evidence in lessons, particularly when doing their Science In The News coursework. However, a lot of students get put off when they link back to a scientific paper as it is can be difficult enough for me to understand what&#039;s been done, nevermind a bright A grade GCSE candidate or your everyday interested person who&#039;d like to have a balanced informed opinion, but does not have a science background and therefore can&#039;t access the information in the paper. 
We complain about unecessary legal jargon in terms &amp; conditions etc, but our scientific community is not exempt, from the same issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know if this comes under the committee’s remit, but I think they could look at the use of un-necessary scientific jargon, in scientific papers.<br />
I teach students to look critically at evidence in lessons, particularly when doing their Science In The News coursework. However, a lot of students get put off when they link back to a scientific paper as it is can be difficult enough for me to understand what&#8217;s been done, nevermind a bright A grade GCSE candidate or your everyday interested person who&#8217;d like to have a balanced informed opinion, but does not have a science background and therefore can&#8217;t access the information in the paper.<br />
We complain about unecessary legal jargon in terms &amp; conditions etc, but our scientific community is not exempt, from the same issue.</p>
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		<title>By: paddyfool</title>
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		<dc:creator>paddyfool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One important immigration issue which afflicts further education institutions is the barriers faced by students coming into this country.  Long visa application procedures, costing hundreds of dollars exist for any non-EU national and probably put a lot of people off, and I&#039;ve heard a fair few horror stories about a disruption to studies persisting even following the start of a course.  All of which is a pity for the country as a whole and its universities in particular, because:

1) Foreign students bring in a lot of money.

2) Studying in the UK might lead to positive feelings about it among future movers and shakers in other countries.

3) At the undergraduate level, bringing in people who are enthusiastic enough to travel around the world for their studies tends to provide a boost to the overall mood of sessions etc., in my experience.

4) At the graduate level there&#039;s even more to offer, since getting in the best and brightest of the world helps with research output and fosters future collaboration with research institutions.

5) What real terrorist threat is posed by a typical student, especially a graduate student, anyway?  There are much easier ways to get into the country which don&#039;t require going through a university application on top of a visa application.

I don&#039;t know if this comes under the committee&#039;s remit, but if they could be persuaded to quietly lobby for, fast-tracking student visa applications in general and graduate visa applications in particular, this could surely only be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One important immigration issue which afflicts further education institutions is the barriers faced by students coming into this country.  Long visa application procedures, costing hundreds of dollars exist for any non-EU national and probably put a lot of people off, and I&#8217;ve heard a fair few horror stories about a disruption to studies persisting even following the start of a course.  All of which is a pity for the country as a whole and its universities in particular, because:</p>
<p>1) Foreign students bring in a lot of money.</p>
<p>2) Studying in the UK might lead to positive feelings about it among future movers and shakers in other countries.</p>
<p>3) At the undergraduate level, bringing in people who are enthusiastic enough to travel around the world for their studies tends to provide a boost to the overall mood of sessions etc., in my experience.</p>
<p>4) At the graduate level there&#8217;s even more to offer, since getting in the best and brightest of the world helps with research output and fosters future collaboration with research institutions.</p>
<p>5) What real terrorist threat is posed by a typical student, especially a graduate student, anyway?  There are much easier ways to get into the country which don&#8217;t require going through a university application on top of a visa application.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this comes under the committee&#8217;s remit, but if they could be persuaded to quietly lobby for, fast-tracking student visa applications in general and graduate visa applications in particular, this could surely only be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: jonnyroberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonnyroberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sent an e-mail to the office of the committee inquiring about which qualifications come under their remit. Here&#039;s the reply:

&quot;The remit of the Committee mirrors that of the Department of Innovation, Universities and Skills.  Hence degrees (not A levels and GCSEs); and also scrutiny of the Government Office for Science.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sent an e-mail to the office of the committee inquiring about which qualifications come under their remit. Here&#8217;s the reply:</p>
<p>&#8220;The remit of the Committee mirrors that of the Department of Innovation, Universities and Skills.  Hence degrees (not A levels and GCSEs); and also scrutiny of the Government Office for Science.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Ellis</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/02/what-science-issue-shall-we-ask-parliament-to-talk-about/comment-page-2/#comment-24770</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would ask the Government why they have set up a two-tier system for certification of medical treatments. 

For conventional medicine, they have to be subjected to multi-million pound clinical trials, over several years, and must be demonstrably safe and effective before being allowed near the general public.

For Supplementary, Complementary and Alternative Treatment, you can get your certification from OfQuack for £45 and the cost of an insurance policy.

(Insert obligatory link to my Number 10 petition here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://petitons.number10.gov.uk/CNHCsafety&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://petitons.number10.gov.uk/CNHCsafety&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would ask the Government why they have set up a two-tier system for certification of medical treatments. </p>
<p>For conventional medicine, they have to be subjected to multi-million pound clinical trials, over several years, and must be demonstrably safe and effective before being allowed near the general public.</p>
<p>For Supplementary, Complementary and Alternative Treatment, you can get your certification from OfQuack for £45 and the cost of an insurance policy.</p>
<p>(Insert obligatory link to my Number 10 petition here: <a href="http://petitons.number10.gov.uk/CNHCsafety" rel="nofollow">petitons.number10.gov.uk/CNHCsafety</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a comment about teaching in schools, and critical thinking etc. 
In Hisory, from about year 7-8 you are taught to evaluate source material - to look at who said what, what the contradictions are, and why it happens - why is x putting across a certain viewpoint, and is it valid. Surely in schools this can just be built upon to teach this type of awareness in science.

Also, I think that those who are carrying out research should be encouraged to improve their communication skills - to explain their research in simple terms, to try and help it be interpreted in the correct way. I know there is a lot of intentional interpretation from journalists and the media, but researchers could do with using more &#039;plain English&#039; summaries to explain their work. Perhaps communication skills could be something that is taught at universities, for those that want to disseminate their work more widely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a comment about teaching in schools, and critical thinking etc.<br />
In Hisory, from about year 7-8 you are taught to evaluate source material &#8211; to look at who said what, what the contradictions are, and why it happens &#8211; why is x putting across a certain viewpoint, and is it valid. Surely in schools this can just be built upon to teach this type of awareness in science.</p>
<p>Also, I think that those who are carrying out research should be encouraged to improve their communication skills &#8211; to explain their research in simple terms, to try and help it be interpreted in the correct way. I know there is a lot of intentional interpretation from journalists and the media, but researchers could do with using more &#8216;plain English&#8217; summaries to explain their work. Perhaps communication skills could be something that is taught at universities, for those that want to disseminate their work more widely.</p>
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		<title>By: Lemonade Lily</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/02/what-science-issue-shall-we-ask-parliament-to-talk-about/comment-page-2/#comment-24766</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemonade Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just add my vote to Ben&#039;s &#039;the inappropriateness of teaching quackery badly in university science degrees&#039;.

As one attending such a wooniversity on such a course I can say I am universally challenged by the woeful lack of science and the promulgation of pseudoscience, non-science and even antiscience. If you want any lecture notes Ben for evidence just shout!

I am fighting from within but it is a lonely battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just add my vote to Ben&#8217;s &#8216;the inappropriateness of teaching quackery badly in university science degrees&#8217;.</p>
<p>As one attending such a wooniversity on such a course I can say I am universally challenged by the woeful lack of science and the promulgation of pseudoscience, non-science and even antiscience. If you want any lecture notes Ben for evidence just shout!</p>
<p>I am fighting from within but it is a lonely battle.</p>
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		<title>By: emen</title>
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		<dc:creator>emen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an interesting question and I think both calj and Ben have a point.

I agree with Ben that evidence-based medicine is not that difficult to 
understand as people perhaps think. I believe that most people are capable 
of understanding complicated things if you know how to explain. Also, the 
ethical question of freedom of speech etc. put aside for a moment, silencing 
quacks would just reinforce the conspiracy theories (&quot;You see, they ARE 
being paid by BigPharma&quot;).

On the other hand, it is a very long process and calj is right, people do 
often say, &quot;Homeopathy must work if there are homeopathic hospitals&quot;. As far 
as they are concerned, they are getting conflicting messages.

Do you know, Ben, what percentage of the population live their life thinking 
that that &quot;flu and cold remedies&quot; are something special that really work on 
their symptoms? You tell them it is the same paracetamol that they take for 
their headaches plus some decongestant stuff, and they will have the shock 
of the week. Maybe you spend your life among highly educated people, but 
most people don&#039;t tend to have degrees or, sadly, even basic literacy 
skills,  and they trust us, the educated ones to make some of their 
decisions for them. Yes, we shouldn&#039;t write them off because then they will 
stay that way!, so you keep up your work.
But what are we going to do in the meantime?, just allow them not to 
vaccinate their children, or not to give them their asthma medicine because 
their quack has told them it has &quot;chemicals&quot; in it? While for us it is just 
annoying, the fact that people will die of illnesses they shouldn&#039;t is a 
TRAGEDY, and the line has to be drawn somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an interesting question and I think both calj and Ben have a point.</p>
<p>I agree with Ben that evidence-based medicine is not that difficult to<br />
understand as people perhaps think. I believe that most people are capable<br />
of understanding complicated things if you know how to explain. Also, the<br />
ethical question of freedom of speech etc. put aside for a moment, silencing<br />
quacks would just reinforce the conspiracy theories (&#8220;You see, they ARE<br />
being paid by BigPharma&#8221;).</p>
<p>On the other hand, it is a very long process and calj is right, people do<br />
often say, &#8220;Homeopathy must work if there are homeopathic hospitals&#8221;. As far<br />
as they are concerned, they are getting conflicting messages.</p>
<p>Do you know, Ben, what percentage of the population live their life thinking<br />
that that &#8220;flu and cold remedies&#8221; are something special that really work on<br />
their symptoms? You tell them it is the same paracetamol that they take for<br />
their headaches plus some decongestant stuff, and they will have the shock<br />
of the week. Maybe you spend your life among highly educated people, but<br />
most people don&#8217;t tend to have degrees or, sadly, even basic literacy<br />
skills,  and they trust us, the educated ones to make some of their<br />
decisions for them. Yes, we shouldn&#8217;t write them off because then they will<br />
stay that way!, so you keep up your work.<br />
But what are we going to do in the meantime?, just allow them not to<br />
vaccinate their children, or not to give them their asthma medicine because<br />
their quack has told them it has &#8220;chemicals&#8221; in it? While for us it is just<br />
annoying, the fact that people will die of illnesses they shouldn&#8217;t is a<br />
TRAGEDY, and the line has to be drawn somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: DrPaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrPaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a science teacher, a Head of Biology, and government has already tried to address public ignorance of how science works by re-working the GCSEs around the theme of How Science Works. The intention may be laudable, even necessary, but the outcome is a disaster, a stultifying course with virtually no scientific content around which the children are expected to form opinions, evaluate data, and so on. It&#039;s like Yasmin said to Jeni, if you don&#039;t know what goes in the MMR vaccine, you&#039;re not qualified to comment on it. So I teach basic immunology, even though it&#039;s not on the specification, and the students think it&#039;s fascinating. Only when armed with that knowledge and understanding, do we take a look at Andrew Wakefield&#039;s study and the ensuring media frenzy...
Yes, let&#039;s improve public understanding of science, but not at the cost of interesting and worthwhile science courses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a science teacher, a Head of Biology, and government has already tried to address public ignorance of how science works by re-working the GCSEs around the theme of How Science Works. The intention may be laudable, even necessary, but the outcome is a disaster, a stultifying course with virtually no scientific content around which the children are expected to form opinions, evaluate data, and so on. It&#8217;s like Yasmin said to Jeni, if you don&#8217;t know what goes in the MMR vaccine, you&#8217;re not qualified to comment on it. So I teach basic immunology, even though it&#8217;s not on the specification, and the students think it&#8217;s fascinating. Only when armed with that knowledge and understanding, do we take a look at Andrew Wakefield&#8217;s study and the ensuring media frenzy&#8230;<br />
Yes, let&#8217;s improve public understanding of science, but not at the cost of interesting and worthwhile science courses.</p>
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		<title>By: kathrynhobson</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathrynhobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an English Literature graduate and find even within this sphere that many people are reluctant to look for evidence to back up their opinions on novels, play, poems etc with evidence from the texts.  They want just to have opinions.  Similarly with social or political views.  And teachers in schools do try and teach about evidence - my husband teaches English at secondary level and is constantly urging students to back up their opinions with evidence.  It must be the same in History, Sociology - perhaps even Religious Education? It can&#039;t be that science teachers don&#039;t teach evidence-based topics, surely.  Or am I very naive?  If the public are to be educated then it&#039;s really going to have to be drummed in, hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an English Literature graduate and find even within this sphere that many people are reluctant to look for evidence to back up their opinions on novels, play, poems etc with evidence from the texts.  They want just to have opinions.  Similarly with social or political views.  And teachers in schools do try and teach about evidence &#8211; my husband teaches English at secondary level and is constantly urging students to back up their opinions with evidence.  It must be the same in History, Sociology &#8211; perhaps even Religious Education? It can&#8217;t be that science teachers don&#8217;t teach evidence-based topics, surely.  Or am I very naive?  If the public are to be educated then it&#8217;s really going to have to be drummed in, hard.</p>
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		<title>By: The Biologista</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Biologista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legislation is a stop-gap. There&#039;ll always be a new kind of snake oil around the corner. The key, as Ben suggests, is education of the public. So very few people understand how science itself works. How evidence is not &quot;weighed&quot;, but supporting or utterly falsifying of some proposition. The way that science is taught often skips these most fundamental concepts. 

I&#039;ll echo Andy Graham here and admit that very little of this was apparent to me during my Science B.Sc. or even in the early years of my Ph.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legislation is a stop-gap. There&#8217;ll always be a new kind of snake oil around the corner. The key, as Ben suggests, is education of the public. So very few people understand how science itself works. How evidence is not &#8220;weighed&#8221;, but supporting or utterly falsifying of some proposition. The way that science is taught often skips these most fundamental concepts. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll echo Andy Graham here and admit that very little of this was apparent to me during my Science B.Sc. or even in the early years of my Ph.D.</p>
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		<title>By: calj</title>
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		<dc:creator>calj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legislating against quacks would reduce their power. Ban homeopathic &quot;remedies&quot; until they are shown to work. Ban alt med practitioners unless they are working under the supervision of medical doctors. Ban children from school unless they are vaccinated.  Yes, the Jeni Barnetts of this world will still scaremonger and promote nonsense - I&#039;m not advocating banning free speech - but the damage they could cause would be limited.

It&#039;s a nice idea, but the majority of the population will simply never have an understanding of the scientific method. Nor will they bother to read science books or blogs. It needn&#039;t and shouldn&#039;t place them at a disadvantage when it comes to their health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legislating against quacks would reduce their power. Ban homeopathic &#8220;remedies&#8221; until they are shown to work. Ban alt med practitioners unless they are working under the supervision of medical doctors. Ban children from school unless they are vaccinated.  Yes, the Jeni Barnetts of this world will still scaremonger and promote nonsense &#8211; I&#8217;m not advocating banning free speech &#8211; but the damage they could cause would be limited.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a nice idea, but the majority of the population will simply never have an understanding of the scientific method. Nor will they bother to read science books or blogs. It needn&#8217;t and shouldn&#8217;t place them at a disadvantage when it comes to their health.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>calj, if i can speak fondly for a moment - because it&#039;s clear that we have a great many views in common - that&#039;s total cock. 

evidence based medicine, the story of how we know what we know, is interesting and beautiful, and easy to understand, and a crucial life skill. there&#039;s nothing complicated about the stuff on this site, there&#039;s nothing complicated about the stuff in the book, and what&#039;s more, i slightly suspect - although i wouldn&#039;t necessarily recommend trying it, and i&#039;m not using it to big-up the book, but as an illustration of how easy these things are - that the book would get you a pass on most undergraduate medical epidemiology courses. 

you cannot regulate or legislate for foolish utterances by bigots, fantasists and bores, free speech is far too important for that. these are battles that must be won in culture, but more than that, there is pleasure in doing so. let the mainstream media spread nonsense, this is a time of autonomous publishing, where blogs, the NHS Choices website (which is okay, you know, especially Behind the Headlines), and more can act as parallel sources of both information and intellectual nourishment. 

god that got a bit stirring, my mate john&#039;s arrived, better go

great suggestions btw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>calj, if i can speak fondly for a moment &#8211; because it&#8217;s clear that we have a great many views in common &#8211; that&#8217;s total cock. </p>
<p>evidence based medicine, the story of how we know what we know, is interesting and beautiful, and easy to understand, and a crucial life skill. there&#8217;s nothing complicated about the stuff on this site, there&#8217;s nothing complicated about the stuff in the book, and what&#8217;s more, i slightly suspect &#8211; although i wouldn&#8217;t necessarily recommend trying it, and i&#8217;m not using it to big-up the book, but as an illustration of how easy these things are &#8211; that the book would get you a pass on most undergraduate medical epidemiology courses. </p>
<p>you cannot regulate or legislate for foolish utterances by bigots, fantasists and bores, free speech is far too important for that. these are battles that must be won in culture, but more than that, there is pleasure in doing so. let the mainstream media spread nonsense, this is a time of autonomous publishing, where blogs, the NHS Choices website (which is okay, you know, especially Behind the Headlines), and more can act as parallel sources of both information and intellectual nourishment. </p>
<p>god that got a bit stirring, my mate john&#8217;s arrived, better go</p>
<p>great suggestions btw</p>
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		<title>By: calj</title>
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		<dc:creator>calj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if this is a serious discussion or not. The vast majority of people will never EVER understand clinical trials. It&#039;s not appropriate for university-level material to be taught to most school pupils and only a tiny %age of people will ever need practical knowledge.

It isn&#039;t the responsibility of the individual to understand how or why a drug has been passed as safe and effective. All he needs to know is that it IS safe and effective. With conventional medicine he can be fairly sure that this is the case. However, because quackery is both unregulated and promoted widely, the patient who makes the assumption that &quot;homeopathy wouldn&#039;t be legal if it didn&#039;t work&quot; is at a real disadvantage.

There will always  be people who will fall for quackery and MMR scaremongering. Education can only go so far, and where it stops we need legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this is a serious discussion or not. The vast majority of people will never EVER understand clinical trials. It&#8217;s not appropriate for university-level material to be taught to most school pupils and only a tiny %age of people will ever need practical knowledge.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t the responsibility of the individual to understand how or why a drug has been passed as safe and effective. All he needs to know is that it IS safe and effective. With conventional medicine he can be fairly sure that this is the case. However, because quackery is both unregulated and promoted widely, the patient who makes the assumption that &#8220;homeopathy wouldn&#8217;t be legal if it didn&#8217;t work&#8221; is at a real disadvantage.</p>
<p>There will always  be people who will fall for quackery and MMR scaremongering. Education can only go so far, and where it stops we need legislation.</p>
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