Comments on: Steorn perpetual motion machine, amazingly, may not work: independent jury resigns http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/ Ben Goldacre's Bad Science column from the Guardian and more... Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:59:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: wayscj http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-29007 wayscj Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:29:56 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-29007 ed hardy <a title="ed hardy" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy</strong></a> ed hardy clothing <a title="ed hardy clothing" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy clothing</strong></a> ed hardy shop <a title="ed hardy shop" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy shop</strong></a> christian audigier <a title="christian audigier" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow"><strong>christian audigier</strong></a> ed hardy cheap <a title="ed hardy cheap" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy cheap</strong></a> ed hardy outlet <a title="ed hardy outlet" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy outlet</strong></a> ed hardy sale <a title="ed hardy clothes" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy sale</strong></a> ed hardy store <a title="ed hardy store" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy store</strong></a> ed hardy mens <a title="ed hardy mens" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk/mens.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy mens</strong></a> ed hardy womens <a title="ed hardy womens" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk/womens.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy womens</strong></a> ed hardy kids <a title="ed hardy kids" href="http://www.edhardyworld.co.uk/kids.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy kids</strong></a> ed hardy kids ed hardy ed hardy
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]]> By: songsforthedeaf http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-27086 songsforthedeaf Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:10:33 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-27086 Jury confirms that fundamental law of science is not broken.... In other news the earth continues to turn... Jury confirms that fundamental law of science is not broken….

In other news the earth continues to turn…

]]> By: foofdawg http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26993 foofdawg Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:55:36 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26993 As Engadget recently pointed out, Steorn now has at least one actual product for sale, and (big surprise) it's a complete rip-off. Maybe they were using their own faulty meter to test their perpetual energy machine? http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/25/steorn-gives-up-on-free-energy-starts-charging-for-usb-powered/ As Engadget recently pointed out, Steorn now has at least one actual product for sale, and (big surprise) it’s a complete rip-off.

Maybe they were using their own faulty meter to test their perpetual energy machine?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/25/steorn-gives-up-on-free-energy-starts-charging-for-usb-powered/

]]> By: chromodynamix http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26974 chromodynamix Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:46:43 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26974 Geeks refer to these spam people as 404 Men. File not found. http://www.mondofacto.com/facts/dictionary?404 Geeks refer to these spam people as 404 Men. File not found.

http://www.mondofacto.com/facts/dictionary?404

]]> By: andrewlightheart http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26968 andrewlightheart Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:00:20 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26968 Yeah - I'm getting the spam links in my RSS feed too. Also - your front page shows 4 comments - but this is comment 16. Time for the techies! Yeah – I’m getting the spam links in my RSS feed too.

Also – your front page shows 4 comments – but this is comment 16.

Time for the techies!

]]> By: Ginger Yellow http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26936 Ginger Yellow Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:37:03 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26936 "a community they set up themselves by offering themselves up as an “open-source” company, as it were; touting themselves as for the people." An open source company which doesn't have a product (well, beside spin) and whose "source code" is confidential. “a community they set up themselves by offering themselves up as an “open-source” company, as it were; touting themselves as for the people.”

An open source company which doesn’t have a product (well, beside spin) and whose “source code” is confidential.

]]> By: NotACat http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26933 NotACat Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:23:50 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26933 There's a whole bunch of spam-links on the page about "What is the Mini-Blog" also. I'm noting it here since this is where I've seen comments about spam recently, and there's no obvious other place for it: am I overlooking a really obvious "report spam" link? There’s a whole bunch of spam-links on the page about “What is the Mini-Blog” also.

I’m noting it here since this is where I’ve seen comments about spam recently, and there’s no obvious other place for it: am I overlooking a really obvious “report spam” link?

]]> By: rgunning http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26932 rgunning Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:21:46 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26932 Ben, I'd steer well clear of making any reference to this crowd. For every 100 or so people that hear about this thing, 1 person gets roped in to thinking there is something behind it. The guy behind it is no slouch in the whole "market it up and sell it off" department. The only thing that Steorn have proved is that there is no such thing as bad publicity in the area of "free energy". For every expert that claims it's all smoke and mirrors, you will get a blogger with no accountablity stating that the oil industry is behind some cover up. Steorn don't have to even make statements refuting experts denying the claims, they just let their blog community do that - a community they set up themselves by offering themselves up as an "open-source" company, as it were; touting themselves as for the people. The scientific community here in Ireland is doing their best to fight this the only way possible - ignore completely. Ben,

I’d steer well clear of making any reference to this crowd. For every 100 or so people that hear about this thing, 1 person gets roped in to thinking there is something behind it.

The guy behind it is no slouch in the whole “market it up and sell it off” department.

The only thing that Steorn have proved is that there is no such thing as bad publicity in the area of “free energy”. For every expert that claims it’s all smoke and mirrors, you will get a blogger with no accountablity stating that the oil industry is behind some cover up. Steorn don’t have to even make statements refuting experts denying the claims, they just let their blog community do that – a community they set up themselves by offering themselves up as an “open-source” company, as it were; touting themselves as for the people.

The scientific community here in Ireland is doing their best to fight this the only way possible – ignore completely.

]]> By: gnaddrig http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26930 gnaddrig Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:12:48 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26930 The last paragraph of Steorn's press release is typical of "free energy" companies - independent tests always fail due to technical problems, yet the companies are always on the brink of solving the remaining technical problems and expect to go to market with their product very soon. The last paragraph of Steorn’s press release is typical of “free energy” companies – independent tests always fail due to technical problems, yet the companies are always on the brink of solving the remaining technical problems and expect to go to market with their product very soon.

]]> By: Michael Gray http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26929 Michael Gray Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:20:07 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26929 Surprise, surprise, surprise! Perhaps Tim Minchin should have not named his beat poem tirade against woo: "Storm", but instead chosen "Steorn" as summarising perpetual poop? Surprise, surprise, surprise!

Perhaps Tim Minchin should have not named his beat poem tirade against woo: “Storm”,
but instead chosen “Steorn” as summarising perpetual poop?

]]> By: Filias Cupio http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26928 Filias Cupio Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:43:31 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26928 Watch this story sink without a trace. "Perpetual motion machine invented" is news. "Perpetual motion machine proved not to work" is not. Watch this story sink without a trace. “Perpetual motion machine invented” is news. “Perpetual motion machine proved not to work” is not.

]]> By: SmartBlonde http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26925 SmartBlonde Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:49:19 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26925 Don't know if this is just me but your RSS feed is doing some odd things. Has suddenly updated with about a dozen new posts, which all lead to "page not found" error screens and appear, when searching your site for the titles, all to be from a number of years ago. Another side effect from the spam battles? Don’t know if this is just me but your RSS feed is doing some odd things. Has suddenly updated with about a dozen new posts, which all lead to “page not found” error screens and appear, when searching your site for the titles, all to be from a number of years ago. Another side effect from the spam battles?

]]> By: SubMoron http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26924 SubMoron Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:59:22 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26924 I got through to the links without problems. I'm sure this is just another of those unsinkable rubber ducks so we'll be hearing the same for years to come. I got through to the links without problems.

I’m sure this is just another of those unsinkable rubber ducks so we’ll be hearing the same for years to come.

]]> By: SteveGJ http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26922 SteveGJ Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:25:54 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26922 So they couldn't demonstrate it working to an independent jury's satisfaction. Now there's a surprise. Of course the real conspiracy theorists home in on zero point energy. There are any number of types out there who are convinced that it's only not easily and freely available to them now because of a plot by oil companies/big government/Russians/Opec and any number of other types attempting to keep them in chains. Of course the single most dangerous thing that could possibly happen is that somebody did invent a small, cheap, device that could produce near unlimited energy. Quite small, cheap devices which are able to produce very large amounts of power over a very short period of time are commonly available and widely used. They are called bombs and having those easily accessible isn't exactly a blessing. So they couldn’t demonstrate it working to an independent jury’s satisfaction. Now there’s a surprise.

Of course the real conspiracy theorists home in on zero point energy. There are any number of types out there who are convinced that it’s only not easily and freely available to them now because of a plot by oil companies/big government/Russians/Opec and any number of other types attempting to keep them in chains.

Of course the single most dangerous thing that could possibly happen is that somebody did invent a small, cheap, device that could produce near unlimited energy. Quite small, cheap devices which are able to produce very large amounts of power over a very short period of time are commonly available and widely used. They are called bombs and having those easily accessible isn’t exactly a blessing.

]]> By: Dead Badger http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26921 Dead Badger Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:25:02 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26921 Yeah, I'm getting the 404s too; none of the category links work, nor do google search results. Assuming you care about such things as pagerank (and what proper geek wouldn't?), this is something you'll want to fix pronto. Goddamn spammers. Yeah, I’m getting the 404s too; none of the category links work, nor do google search results. Assuming you care about such things as pagerank (and what proper geek wouldn’t?), this is something you’ll want to fix pronto.

Goddamn spammers.

]]> By: NotACat http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26919 NotACat Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:50:50 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26919 I'm getting "Page not found" errors on all three of the earlier "Bad Science" articles linked from this article; to top that, I tried the "perpetual motion" category from the list and it came up empty. Coupled with the sudden appearance of the comment immediately above this one, I'm wondering whether this is a side-effect of your battle against link-spammers? I’m getting “Page not found” errors on all three of the earlier “Bad Science” articles linked from this article; to top that, I tried the “perpetual motion” category from the list and it came up empty.

Coupled with the sudden appearance of the comment immediately above this one, I’m wondering whether this is a side-effect of your battle against link-spammers?

]]> By: Ben Goldacre http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26917 Ben Goldacre Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:09:52 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26917 yeah spam attackers being killed as we speak yeah spam attackers being killed as we speak

]]> By: bazzargh http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26916 bazzargh Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:56:30 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26916 Ben, I notice on that last link there's spam links in the article text (instead of just the comments). Something up with your WP install? I tried this: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q="without+prescription"+site%3Abadscience.net And found that those links are appearing on lots of pages, but on most pages they're using some style hack to hide the div with the links; view source or turn off styles and you'll see the spam. I see you're on 2.8 so I guess these are relics left from old attacks. Ben, I notice on that last link there’s spam links in the article text (instead of just the comments). Something up with your WP install? I tried this:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=“without+prescription”+site%3Abadscience.net

And found that those links are appearing on lots of pages, but on most pages they’re using some style hack to hide the div with the links; view source or turn off styles and you’ll see the spam.

I see you’re on 2.8 so I guess these are relics left from old attacks.

]]> By: Slov01 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26915 Slov01 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:55:29 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26915 Don't forget Steorn may or may not be a marketing company who want the oxygen of publicity... Don’t forget Steorn may or may not be a marketing company who want the oxygen of publicity…

]]> By: Spiny http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-26914 Spiny Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:14:56 +0000 http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/steorn-perpetual-motion-co-s-independent-jury-runs-out-of-energy/#comment-26914 We've had similar perpetual motion nutters on our blog, it makes an interesting read :) http://www.electricdeath.com/2004/04/modern-day-perpetual-motion-scam-lurks.html We’ve had similar perpetual motion nutters on our blog, it makes an interesting read :)

http://www.electricdeath.com/2004/04/modern-day-perpetual-motion-scam-lurks.html

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