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	<title>Comments on: World Conference of Science Journalists &#8211; Troublemakers Fringe, Penderel&#8217;s Oak Pub, Holborn, 1st July 8pm &#8211; Midnight</title>
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		<title>By: wayscj</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayscj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Crispian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crispian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is closer to the bar than me tonight. Large Gin and Tonic please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is closer to the bar than me tonight. Large Gin and Tonic please.</p>
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		<title>By: pinkthing</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26989</link>
		<dc:creator>pinkthing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry that I can&#039;t come down but I am part of the bastion that keeps Camden from devolving into the primordial ooze and will be &quot;on duty&quot; not too far North of you. As Sid says &quot;hope no one dies&quot; lots of paperwork for a death on licensed premises !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry that I can&#8217;t come down but I am part of the bastion that keeps Camden from devolving into the primordial ooze and will be &#8220;on duty&#8221; not too far North of you. As Sid says &#8220;hope no one dies&#8221; lots of paperwork for a death on licensed premises !!!</p>
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		<title>By: OMQ</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26988</link>
		<dc:creator>OMQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my first post, although I have been following BadScience.net for years.

Please look out for some research papers about medical news stories, which will be published in PLoS ONE, an open-access journal, in the coming months (one paper will be published on Wed 1st July 2009, which may be timely for Ben’s pub talk). As someone who is trying to bridge the gap between science and journalism, what I find worrying is the dearth of published empirical data available by which “experts” apparently make their recommendations and air their views. I see in science journalism a parallel with what medicine was like before it adopted evidence-based medicine.

Just look at the 25th June issue of Nature (thanks DrG), as an example. I’ve briefly scanned the series of articles about “Science and the Media” and they all seem to be editorials, opinions (i.e. commentaries) and features (i.e. narrative reviews or essays). No empirical data, but plenty of anecdotes. If you search MedLine (or other academic databases), you will find there are already some published research papers about “medical news” that are based on empirical data. But you will also find many more published articles along the same lines as Nature’s “Science and the Media” series (i.e. commentaries and narrative reviews) that do not have any solid evidence to back up their views. It should be obvious that more good data needs to be collected and more good research needs to be published in the interdisciplinary field of “Science and the Media”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my first post, although I have been following <a href="http://BadScience.net" class="autohyperlink" title="http://BadScience.net" target="_blank">BadScience.net</a> for years.</p>
<p>Please look out for some research papers about medical news stories, which will be published in PLoS ONE, an open-access journal, in the coming months (one paper will be published on Wed 1st July 2009, which may be timely for Ben’s pub talk). As someone who is trying to bridge the gap between science and journalism, what I find worrying is the dearth of published empirical data available by which “experts” apparently make their recommendations and air their views. I see in science journalism a parallel with what medicine was like before it adopted evidence-based medicine.</p>
<p>Just look at the 25th June issue of Nature (thanks DrG), as an example. I’ve briefly scanned the series of articles about “Science and the Media” and they all seem to be editorials, opinions (i.e. commentaries) and features (i.e. narrative reviews or essays). No empirical data, but plenty of anecdotes. If you search MedLine (or other academic databases), you will find there are already some published research papers about “medical news” that are based on empirical data. But you will also find many more published articles along the same lines as Nature’s “Science and the Media” series (i.e. commentaries and narrative reviews) that do not have any solid evidence to back up their views. It should be obvious that more good data needs to be collected and more good research needs to be published in the interdisciplinary field of “Science and the Media”.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bigge</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26986</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bigge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I wish I lived nearer London.  I&#039;d come if I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I wish I lived nearer London.  I&#8217;d come if I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Teek</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26979</link>
		<dc:creator>Teek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>will try and be there although these things tend to get v. busy so will have to get there early!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will try and be there although these things tend to get v. busy so will have to get there early!</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26969</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the love Ben Ben. Unfortunately, Rebecca wont let me be your girlfriend. She&#039;s the only person allowed anywhere near my &quot;wrong-un&quot;.

Artsgrad, there&#039;s no sign-up list for this one. It&#039;ll be a complete free-for-all, just like the old days. I hope no one dies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the love Ben Ben. Unfortunately, Rebecca wont let me be your girlfriend. She&#8217;s the only person allowed anywhere near my &#8220;wrong-un&#8221;.</p>
<p>Artsgrad, there&#8217;s no sign-up list for this one. It&#8217;ll be a complete free-for-all, just like the old days. I hope no one dies.</p>
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		<title>By: zeno</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26966</link>
		<dc:creator>zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be there!</description>
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		<title>By: Artsgrad</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26960</link>
		<dc:creator>Artsgrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a signup list? I&#039;ve been over at Skeptics in the Pub, but can&#039;t find one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a signup list? I&#8217;ve been over at Skeptics in the Pub, but can&#8217;t find one.</p>
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		<title>By: EmmaQ</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26956</link>
		<dc:creator>EmmaQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean you won&#039;t be attending the fancy-schmancy reception at the NHM that evening?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean you won&#8217;t be attending the fancy-schmancy reception at the NHM that evening?!</p>
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		<title>By: Samwise</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26952</link>
		<dc:creator>Samwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah. I am seeing Steely Dan in Hammersmith that night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah. I am seeing Steely Dan in Hammersmith that night.</p>
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		<title>By: DrG</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26950</link>
		<dc:creator>DrG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone going along might be interested in the current issue of Nature (Vol 459): 5 pieces about science journalism worth a read.

As a researcher, I&#039;ve worked with journalists on a number of occasions. My own experience has taught me that a new model is required if we (scientists) are to contribute to the accurate reporting of our work. That is, I find the best way to ensure a new result is reported accurately is to work up a traditional press release in collaboration with your institution in anticipation of a paper being published, then taking this to a SCIENCE journalist (the traditional press release process enhances the likelihood of errors as they are usually of limited scope, and will just be copy and pasted anyway). The engagement with a reporter should be done with enough time before the embargo of the paper is lifted (with the journalist&#039;s understanding they can&#039;t print until then, of course) which gives the time needed to ensure the results are accurately described, and time for the reporter to get the other side of the story or some independent support, if that’s appropriate.

This is obviously a much more engaged model, but if you’re ‘creating knowledge’ it’s your responsibility to ensure that it finds it’s way into the media intact. No point moaning the media have misrepresented your work if you haven’t engaged with them. Science can be awesome, and we should all ensure that everyone gets to see that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone going along might be interested in the current issue of Nature (Vol 459): 5 pieces about science journalism worth a read.</p>
<p>As a researcher, I&#8217;ve worked with journalists on a number of occasions. My own experience has taught me that a new model is required if we (scientists) are to contribute to the accurate reporting of our work. That is, I find the best way to ensure a new result is reported accurately is to work up a traditional press release in collaboration with your institution in anticipation of a paper being published, then taking this to a SCIENCE journalist (the traditional press release process enhances the likelihood of errors as they are usually of limited scope, and will just be copy and pasted anyway). The engagement with a reporter should be done with enough time before the embargo of the paper is lifted (with the journalist&#8217;s understanding they can&#8217;t print until then, of course) which gives the time needed to ensure the results are accurately described, and time for the reporter to get the other side of the story or some independent support, if that’s appropriate.</p>
<p>This is obviously a much more engaged model, but if you’re ‘creating knowledge’ it’s your responsibility to ensure that it finds it’s way into the media intact. No point moaning the media have misrepresented your work if you haven’t engaged with them. Science can be awesome, and we should all ensure that everyone gets to see that.</p>
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		<title>By: catkins</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26949</link>
		<dc:creator>catkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm, make sure your wrath is aimed at the right group. not all science journalists are the ignorant scaremongers you suggest they are...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm, make sure your wrath is aimed at the right group. not all science journalists are the ignorant scaremongers you suggest they are&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paula Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26947</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have two other events to be at that night One of them is really important, it is at New Scotland Yard, and I can&#039;t cancel sod it!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two other events to be at that night One of them is really important, it is at New Scotland Yard, and I can&#8217;t cancel sod it!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26941</link>
		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bugger. I need to give two weeks notice if I want to take a holiday.

Please keep doing gigs once I get around to becoming a man of means.

So I can buy you a pint, I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bugger. I need to give two weeks notice if I want to take a holiday.</p>
<p>Please keep doing gigs once I get around to becoming a man of means.</p>
<p>So I can buy you a pint, I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: mjrobbins</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/world-conference-of-science-journalists-troublemakers-fringe-penderels-oak-pub-holborn-1st-july-8pm-midnight/comment-page-1/#comment-26938</link>
		<dc:creator>mjrobbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be along to this, definitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be along to this, definitely.</p>
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