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		<title>By: heavens</title>
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		<dc:creator>heavens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote Ben, &quot;I think you&#039;ll find it&#039;s a bit more complicated than that.&quot;  FC (and related) for a kid that could speak perfectly except for having trouble organizing the muscles required to physically produce the sounds is different from FC for other purposes. 

I&#039;ve been introduced to a 20-year-old man with moderately severe autism, and who could be the poster child for FC.  He does what they insist is &quot;FC&quot; at an advanced level, by which I mean that he types by himself, and has had private conversations without any FC person present, but who usually wants the soothing presence of a familiar person while he types (at least if the sentence is longer than a couple of words or on any subject other than food -- and for his favorite food, he&#039;ll happily tell you verbally what he wants, although it might take a try or two).  I&#039;m perfectly convinced that you can&#039;t type sentences for someone when you have two fingers lightly resting on his elbow.

Having closed eyes doesn&#039;t bother me:  I can type with my eyes closed; can&#039;t you?  But some of these other things... Wow, I can&#039;t believe that anyone would believe it.  FC-generated statements are certainly not evidence of locked-in syndrome.  It reminds me of the &quot;psychic&quot; who famously read a book on cold-reading techniques and realized that&#039;s what she&#039;d been doing her whole career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Ben, &#8220;I think you&#8217;ll find it&#8217;s a bit more complicated than that.&#8221;  FC (and related) for a kid that could speak perfectly except for having trouble organizing the muscles required to physically produce the sounds is different from FC for other purposes. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been introduced to a 20-year-old man with moderately severe autism, and who could be the poster child for FC.  He does what they insist is &#8220;FC&#8221; at an advanced level, by which I mean that he types by himself, and has had private conversations without any FC person present, but who usually wants the soothing presence of a familiar person while he types (at least if the sentence is longer than a couple of words or on any subject other than food &#8212; and for his favorite food, he&#8217;ll happily tell you verbally what he wants, although it might take a try or two).  I&#8217;m perfectly convinced that you can&#8217;t type sentences for someone when you have two fingers lightly resting on his elbow.</p>
<p>Having closed eyes doesn&#8217;t bother me:  I can type with my eyes closed; can&#8217;t you?  But some of these other things&#8230; Wow, I can&#8217;t believe that anyone would believe it.  FC-generated statements are certainly not evidence of locked-in syndrome.  It reminds me of the &#8220;psychic&#8221; who famously read a book on cold-reading techniques and realized that&#8217;s what she&#8217;d been doing her whole career.</p>
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		<title>By: Windows 7 Professional</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windows 7 Professional</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COME ON! <a href="http://www.software-hotbuy.com/" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Office 2007</a> $110 and <a href="http://www.software-hotbuy.com/" rel="nofollow">Windows 7</a> $139 on <a href="http://www.software-hotbuy.com/" rel="nofollow">www.software-hotbuy.com/</a>,   <a href="http://www.software-hotbuy.com/microsoft-office-ultimate-2007-full-version-p-11.html" rel="nofollow">Office 2007 Ultimate</a><br />
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		<title>By: Mr Trousers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Trousers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently it&#039;s being looked into. A quiet resolution to this would be what&#039;s best for the family I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently it&#8217;s being looked into. A quiet resolution to this would be what&#8217;s best for the family I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is today in the Guradian a very strange right to reply piece, saying that FC isn&#039;t always bad and that perhaps he is just learning to improve his typing by looking the other way whilst she concentrates on typing at 20 words per minute. 
Very strange argument but quite amusing. No comment however on the possible abuse or manipulation of this man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is today in the Guradian a very strange right to reply piece, saying that FC isn&#8217;t always bad and that perhaps he is just learning to improve his typing by looking the other way whilst she concentrates on typing at 20 words per minute.<br />
Very strange argument but quite amusing. No comment however on the possible abuse or manipulation of this man.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard about this a week or so ago (before I&#039;d ever heard of Bad Science) and didn&#039;t think to question it. Like kingal86, I just assumed the special keyboard was something that directly responded to minute movements in Houben&#039;s finger. It&#039;s amazing how you fill in the gaps in news reports and make assumptions which are completely wrong without even thinking about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about this a week or so ago (before I&#8217;d ever heard of Bad Science) and didn&#8217;t think to question it. Like kingal86, I just assumed the special keyboard was something that directly responded to minute movements in Houben&#8217;s finger. It&#8217;s amazing how you fill in the gaps in news reports and make assumptions which are completely wrong without even thinking about it!</p>
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		<title>By: rob212</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought of that and promptly dismissed it. Something you are dismissing without thought is that fact that news presenters and producers really love turning the screws by really emphasising how long it might take someone to type out an answer.

Eh? What on earth are you talking about?

And boy oh boy that presenter is showing such compasion.
No, you show the process, then abreviate it. You don’t abreviate and not have one single, solitary report mention it.

This too; what on earth are you saying? You paragraphs don&#039;t make sense

AND then there are the actual answers he’s given, even if you somehow get over the first two hurdles and still choose to believe that it really is the man himself you have to explain how come he’s so articulate

Why would he not be articulate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought of that and promptly dismissed it. Something you are dismissing without thought is that fact that news presenters and producers really love turning the screws by really emphasising how long it might take someone to type out an answer.</p>
<p>Eh? What on earth are you talking about?</p>
<p>And boy oh boy that presenter is showing such compasion.<br />
No, you show the process, then abreviate it. You don’t abreviate and not have one single, solitary report mention it.</p>
<p>This too; what on earth are you saying? You paragraphs don&#8217;t make sense</p>
<p>AND then there are the actual answers he’s given, even if you somehow get over the first two hurdles and still choose to believe that it really is the man himself you have to explain how come he’s so articulate</p>
<p>Why would he not be articulate?</p>
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		<title>By: Xobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pseudomonas:

Health Pain isn&#039;t automated spam, he&#039;s really communicating! You just don&#039;t understand him because you don&#039;t have the right connection with him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pseudomonas:</p>
<p>Health Pain isn&#8217;t automated spam, he&#8217;s really communicating! You just don&#8217;t understand him because you don&#8217;t have the right connection with him!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Trousers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Trousers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob212:
Thought of that and promptly dismissed it. Something you are dismissing without thought is that fact that news presenters and producers really love turning the screws by really emphasising how long it might take someone to type out an answer. Oh man, what a hero. And boy oh boy that presenter is showing such compasion.
No, you show the process, then abreviate it. You don&#039;t abreviate and not have one single, solitary report mention it. And it&#039;s not just that either as what you&#039;ve completely missed is the fact that Facilitated Communication is utter crap even if you&#039;re going really, really, really slowly.
AND then there are the actual answers he&#039;s given, even if you somehow get over the first two hurdles and still choose to believe that it really is the man himself you have to explain how come he&#039;s so articulate?

On a side note, the brief, unsubstantiated mentioned I saw that a Doctor had tested him to see if was the patient communicating or not, can&#039;t be believed either. He may very well be a great Doctor but that doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s bound to be great at a test like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob212:<br />
Thought of that and promptly dismissed it. Something you are dismissing without thought is that fact that news presenters and producers really love turning the screws by really emphasising how long it might take someone to type out an answer. Oh man, what a hero. And boy oh boy that presenter is showing such compasion.<br />
No, you show the process, then abreviate it. You don&#8217;t abreviate and not have one single, solitary report mention it. And it&#8217;s not just that either as what you&#8217;ve completely missed is the fact that Facilitated Communication is utter crap even if you&#8217;re going really, really, really slowly.<br />
AND then there are the actual answers he&#8217;s given, even if you somehow get over the first two hurdles and still choose to believe that it really is the man himself you have to explain how come he&#8217;s so articulate?</p>
<p>On a side note, the brief, unsubstantiated mentioned I saw that a Doctor had tested him to see if was the patient communicating or not, can&#8217;t be believed either. He may very well be a great Doctor but that doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s bound to be great at a test like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person who emailed Ben suggesting he ran a piece on this the day it first hit the papers, I will ignore your first paragraph.

No 34 syas-  Important to note here is that the doctor (who is apparently not his regular doctor, but only studied him as one of the subjects of his research), is sceptical about the facilitated communication too. He believes Rom can communicate (he has been communicating with his environment for three years now, first with his foot), is not in a vegetative state, but distances himself from the facilitated communication (which is done by personnel of the institute that takes care of Rom, which is not the same as the institute Dr. Laureys is working for).

This suggests that there might be more to it than a retake for the cameras. With the long and dishonourable history of FC, we also have a right to be cynical. 

So yes, it may be legit. Or it maybe exploiting a man to get the book selling well and another terrible example of FC. Only time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person who emailed Ben suggesting he ran a piece on this the day it first hit the papers, I will ignore your first paragraph.</p>
<p>No 34 syas-  Important to note here is that the doctor (who is apparently not his regular doctor, but only studied him as one of the subjects of his research), is sceptical about the facilitated communication too. He believes Rom can communicate (he has been communicating with his environment for three years now, first with his foot), is not in a vegetative state, but distances himself from the facilitated communication (which is done by personnel of the institute that takes care of Rom, which is not the same as the institute Dr. Laureys is working for).</p>
<p>This suggests that there might be more to it than a retake for the cameras. With the long and dishonourable history of FC, we also have a right to be cynical. </p>
<p>So yes, it may be legit. Or it maybe exploiting a man to get the book selling well and another terrible example of FC. Only time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: rob212</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on people! There&#039;s only one thing worse than crazy quacks and snake-oil pushers and that&#039;s people who, on being told everything is &#039;fake&#039;, instantly agree without thinking for themselves!

In other words, when Ben points out something doesn&#039;t seem &#039;quite right&#039;, don&#039;t all go starry-eyed and &#039;wow! you&#039;re so right!&#039; just because it&#039;s Ben. Use your own brain to peer-review his articles!

It&#039;s obvious what&#039;s going on in that video. Anyone who has worked in television can instantly spot it, as I did. It was a reconstruction for the camera to illustrate the patient spelling out words, done quickly to fit into a short news bulletin.

The patient obviously has poor motor co-ordination and to spell out a word likely takes several minutes. That news bulletin is 34&quot;, and the clip of him spelling out words is about 15&quot;, not enough illustrate the words being spelled-out for the news package if he spells them out in his normal speed.

To illustrate the &#039;concept&#039; of man in coma spelling out words, the producer has obviously asked the nurse to re-construct what happens during a whole session. I can almost hear the producer now:

&quot;Oh, he&#039;s asleep is he? Oh dear we wanted to film today. Can you just take his hand and pretend that he&#039;s spelling them out? That&#039;s right, just point his hand to several letters to spell out a word for the shot&quot;

So was the news package &#039;faked&#039;? Not *really*, but it was dishonest and rather silly because anyone watching it who hasn&#039;t worked in television, that doesn&#039;t understand how set-up shots are gathered, is instantly suspicious.

So rather than getting all excited about things, just chill and realise the story is still likely &#039;genuine&#039;. It&#039;s just the way TV news has represented things, is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on people! There&#8217;s only one thing worse than crazy quacks and snake-oil pushers and that&#8217;s people who, on being told everything is &#8216;fake&#8217;, instantly agree without thinking for themselves!</p>
<p>In other words, when Ben points out something doesn&#8217;t seem &#8216;quite right&#8217;, don&#8217;t all go starry-eyed and &#8216;wow! you&#8217;re so right!&#8217; just because it&#8217;s Ben. Use your own brain to peer-review his articles!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious what&#8217;s going on in that video. Anyone who has worked in television can instantly spot it, as I did. It was a reconstruction for the camera to illustrate the patient spelling out words, done quickly to fit into a short news bulletin.</p>
<p>The patient obviously has poor motor co-ordination and to spell out a word likely takes several minutes. That news bulletin is 34&#8243;, and the clip of him spelling out words is about 15&#8243;, not enough illustrate the words being spelled-out for the news package if he spells them out in his normal speed.</p>
<p>To illustrate the &#8216;concept&#8217; of man in coma spelling out words, the producer has obviously asked the nurse to re-construct what happens during a whole session. I can almost hear the producer now:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, he&#8217;s asleep is he? Oh dear we wanted to film today. Can you just take his hand and pretend that he&#8217;s spelling them out? That&#8217;s right, just point his hand to several letters to spell out a word for the shot&#8221;</p>
<p>So was the news package &#8216;faked&#8217;? Not *really*, but it was dishonest and rather silly because anyone watching it who hasn&#8217;t worked in television, that doesn&#8217;t understand how set-up shots are gathered, is instantly suspicious.</p>
<p>So rather than getting all excited about things, just chill and realise the story is still likely &#8216;genuine&#8217;. It&#8217;s just the way TV news has represented things, is not.</p>
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		<title>By: kingal86</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingal86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never even thought of wondering how he was communicating or if it could be manipulated. :( I guess I presumed it something like whatever it is Stephen Hawkin does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never even thought of wondering how he was communicating or if it could be manipulated. <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  I guess I presumed it something like whatever it is Stephen Hawkin does.</p>
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		<title>By: pseudomonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>pseudomonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crster: I&#039;m pretty sure that Health Pain is automated spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crster: I&#8217;m pretty sure that Health Pain is automated spam.</p>
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		<title>By: csrster</title>
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		<dc:creator>csrster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health Pain: did they also show that it reduced overall mortality? A diet intervention which produces a small decrease in the risk of a relatively rare condition might well increase overall mortality if, for example, it produced even a small increased risk of a common condition such as diabetes.

(I&#039;ve been reading Gary Taubes and it&#039;s starting to show.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health Pain: did they also show that it reduced overall mortality? A diet intervention which produces a small decrease in the risk of a relatively rare condition might well increase overall mortality if, for example, it produced even a small increased risk of a common condition such as diabetes.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve been reading Gary Taubes and it&#8217;s starting to show.)</p>
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		<title>By: mikewhit</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikewhit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, Shouldn&#039;t you update your Talks page to include Any Questions:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00p6vll
&quot;Eddie Mair chairs the topical debate from Bracknell, Berkshire. The panellists are Northern Ireland secretary Shaun Woodward, shadow work and pensions secretary Theresa May, David Laws, the Liberal Democrat spokesman on children, schools and families, and &lt;b&gt;Dr Ben Goldacre, author of Bad Science&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, Shouldn&#8217;t you update your Talks page to include Any Questions:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00p6vll" rel="nofollow">www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00p6vll</a><br />
&#8220;Eddie Mair chairs the topical debate from Bracknell, Berkshire. The panellists are Northern Ireland secretary Shaun Woodward, shadow work and pensions secretary Theresa May, David Laws, the Liberal Democrat spokesman on children, schools and families, and <b>Dr Ben Goldacre, author of Bad Science</b>.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DevonDozer</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevonDozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing. Even so, there is a very uncomfortable parallel between belief in FC and belief in the AGW (AKA climate change) boondoggle. Many of those being labelled &#039;Denialists&#039; by the MSM seem to be asking &#039;good science&#039; questions. They are even coming up with some interesting facts and figures, despite being accused of all manner of things, as far as I can see without grounds. 

The belief thing is alive and well elsewhere. In the case of AGW/CC it is largely taxpayer funded and with much bigger consequences! Bishop Hill&#039;s blog has lots of links to explore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing. Even so, there is a very uncomfortable parallel between belief in FC and belief in the AGW (AKA climate change) boondoggle. Many of those being labelled &#8216;Denialists&#8217; by the MSM seem to be asking &#8216;good science&#8217; questions. They are even coming up with some interesting facts and figures, despite being accused of all manner of things, as far as I can see without grounds. </p>
<p>The belief thing is alive and well elsewhere. In the case of AGW/CC it is largely taxpayer funded and with much bigger consequences! Bishop Hill&#8217;s blog has lots of links to explore.</p>
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		<title>By: jaap</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a well-documented phenomena&quot;
The singular is phenomeNON!
Sorry, it&#039;s a pet peeve of mine. Carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a well-documented phenomena&#8221;<br />
The singular is phenomeNON!<br />
Sorry, it&#8217;s a pet peeve of mine. Carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Trousers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Trousers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FC has been absolutely debunked, but as the case with other belief-based attitudes (ghosts, alien visitations etc) those that believe continue to do so in the face of any evidence. The most depressing are those whose subconcious desire to help has overwhelmed their ability to view the situation dispassionately. All the trials and experience shows that even showing them how it was donw they&#039;ll still claim things like &quot;In my case it was not!
I only supported the wrist&quot;.
As to whether Houben himself is aware, well a pretty well regarded Neurologist seems to say that some scans show he is. So far I&#039;ve not seen that Doctor claim since when, or how much. So all that appears to be media hooplah.
My best guess would be &#039;minimaly concious&#039;.
It&#039;s heart breaking, but families always (understandably) think their case is different. That squeezing their hand is a good sign. That they definately reacted. They really know they are here. I can&#039;t fault Houbens mother for hoping, but I do fault that supposed facilitator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FC has been absolutely debunked, but as the case with other belief-based attitudes (ghosts, alien visitations etc) those that believe continue to do so in the face of any evidence. The most depressing are those whose subconcious desire to help has overwhelmed their ability to view the situation dispassionately. All the trials and experience shows that even showing them how it was donw they&#8217;ll still claim things like &#8220;In my case it was not!<br />
I only supported the wrist&#8221;.<br />
As to whether Houben himself is aware, well a pretty well regarded Neurologist seems to say that some scans show he is. So far I&#8217;ve not seen that Doctor claim since when, or how much. So all that appears to be media hooplah.<br />
My best guess would be &#8216;minimaly concious&#8217;.<br />
It&#8217;s heart breaking, but families always (understandably) think their case is different. That squeezing their hand is a good sign. That they definately reacted. They really know they are here. I can&#8217;t fault Houbens mother for hoping, but I do fault that supposed facilitator.</p>
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		<title>By: Health Pain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Health Pain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scientists at the University of California at San Francisco report that healthy &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.findrxonline.com/articulos-medica/verduras-cancer.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;diets&lt;/a&gt; rich in fruits and vegetables are associated with decreased risk of developing deadly pancreatic cancer. findrxonline as Pancreatic cancer is far from being as common as breast or lung cancer, but their analysis and treatment are particularly difficult. Find a ratification categorically that simple changes in our daily diet can provide reliable protection against pancreatic cancer, he could be one of the most practical ways to reduce the occurrence of the dreaded disease of prostate cancer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientists at the University of California at San Francisco report that healthy <a href="http://www.findrxonline.com/articulos-medica/verduras-cancer.htm" rel="nofollow">diets</a> rich in fruits and vegetables are associated with decreased risk of developing deadly pancreatic cancer. findrxonline as Pancreatic cancer is far from being as common as breast or lung cancer, but their analysis and treatment are particularly difficult. Find a ratification categorically that simple changes in our daily diet can provide reliable protection against pancreatic cancer, he could be one of the most practical ways to reduce the occurrence of the dreaded disease of prostate cancer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mijin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only shining light is the Daily Mail which was sceptical from the start (never thought I’d use that word for that paper).&quot;

Clearly any skepticism hasn&#039;t lasted: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1230092/Rom-Houben-Patient-trapped-23-year-coma-conscious-along.html

At least some of the comments question FC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only shining light is the Daily Mail which was sceptical from the start (never thought I’d use that word for that paper).&#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly any skepticism hasn&#8217;t lasted: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1230092/Rom-Houben-Patient-trapped-23-year-coma-conscious-along.html" rel="nofollow">www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1230092/Rom-Houben-Patient-trapped-23-year-coma-conscious-along.html</a></p>
<p>At least some of the comments question FC.</p>
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		<title>By: mikewhit</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikewhit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;someone reciting a French ordered alphabeat&quot; - what, not those annoyingly upbeat Danish popsters ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;someone reciting a French ordered alphabeat&#8221; &#8211; what, not those annoyingly upbeat Danish popsters ?</p>
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