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	<title>Comments on: The greatest show on earth</title>
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		<title>By: TheLady</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-30393</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the show at the Apollo, and while I didn&#039;t enjoy the Johnny Ball bit especially, I thought the point he was trying to make about Newton was interesting: that he had synthesised previou knowledge to arrive at his amazing insight, and that he had so much less knowledge available to him than we do now (we&#039;ve got him, for starters!). With that in mind, it should be a doddle for today&#039;s scientists to come up with a solution for global warming, so let&#039;s get to it. It was a pretty optimistic message, suitable for the time of year, even if it wasn&#039;t 100% Science Pedant proof. *shrug*

Ben, I enjoyed the bit about the nocebo effect tremendously - never heard anyone talk so fast in my life! Wish you&#039;d had more time, which leads me neatly too...

Did that bastard All Murray totally overrun his time or what? We had to leave before the end to catch our train, and since I hated the steaming guts out of his skit, if that was in any way his fault I&#039;m gonna get on the phone and start ordering hundreds of pizzas to his house or something. Stupid misogynist piece of wank. Who thought it was a good idea to get him onto an atheist show to tell fart jokes and harrass women and children in the audience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the show at the Apollo, and while I didn&#8217;t enjoy the Johnny Ball bit especially, I thought the point he was trying to make about Newton was interesting: that he had synthesised previou knowledge to arrive at his amazing insight, and that he had so much less knowledge available to him than we do now (we&#8217;ve got him, for starters!). With that in mind, it should be a doddle for today&#8217;s scientists to come up with a solution for global warming, so let&#8217;s get to it. It was a pretty optimistic message, suitable for the time of year, even if it wasn&#8217;t 100% Science Pedant proof. *shrug*</p>
<p>Ben, I enjoyed the bit about the nocebo effect tremendously &#8211; never heard anyone talk so fast in my life! Wish you&#8217;d had more time, which leads me neatly too&#8230;</p>
<p>Did that bastard All Murray totally overrun his time or what? We had to leave before the end to catch our train, and since I hated the steaming guts out of his skit, if that was in any way his fault I&#8217;m gonna get on the phone and start ordering hundreds of pizzas to his house or something. Stupid misogynist piece of wank. Who thought it was a good idea to get him onto an atheist show to tell fart jokes and harrass women and children in the audience?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SteveGJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveGJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got back from the Bloomsbury, fun, but nothing like the lineup at the Apollo last year.

However, I must - really must - have a rant about Johnny Ball, and not about his take on global warming (which apparently did not go down well yesterday - it wasn&#039;t repeated today).

Now this might be like kicking everybody&#039;s favourite uncle, but frankly this guy had no place in front of that audience. But I&#039;d go further than that - the guy is a positive danger to science education in this country. He has not got a clue. 

About fifteen years ago, I saw him spewing out a line about Isaac Newton having contributed nothing more than a slightly warmed over version of what Galileo and Kepler had already discovered. He is still repeating this rubbish. What he has absolutely no concept is that far from &quot;discovering&quot; gravity (which is what he described Newton as being famous for - of course the ancients had described gravity), what Newton actually did, for the first time, was invent a theory of gravity, along with laws of motions, that allowed a beautifully elegant way of describing how the force of gravity kept planets in the orbit, how cannonballs would describe a parabolic arc, allowed the mass of the moon to be estimated and much, much else. That was the true revolution he brought - the first true unifying theory in physics, along with mathematical precision of prediction, which held good until almost the 20th century. Against that, Kepler and Gallileo merely described what they saw. 

He also had the cheek to refer to estimaes of how far you would fall in one second without even a nod to Newton&#039;s laws of motions which allows this to be calculated.

So what on earth was Robin Ince thinking of inviting this children&#039;s clown along for? Some form of yearning for his past childhood? He had no place there, and in my view he has no place talking such rot in front of children either.  The man demonstrated no sense whatsoever of the deeper, underlying meaning of physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got back from the Bloomsbury, fun, but nothing like the lineup at the Apollo last year.</p>
<p>However, I must &#8211; really must &#8211; have a rant about Johnny Ball, and not about his take on global warming (which apparently did not go down well yesterday &#8211; it wasn&#8217;t repeated today).</p>
<p>Now this might be like kicking everybody&#8217;s favourite uncle, but frankly this guy had no place in front of that audience. But I&#8217;d go further than that &#8211; the guy is a positive danger to science education in this country. He has not got a clue. </p>
<p>About fifteen years ago, I saw him spewing out a line about Isaac Newton having contributed nothing more than a slightly warmed over version of what Galileo and Kepler had already discovered. He is still repeating this rubbish. What he has absolutely no concept is that far from &#8220;discovering&#8221; gravity (which is what he described Newton as being famous for &#8211; of course the ancients had described gravity), what Newton actually did, for the first time, was invent a theory of gravity, along with laws of motions, that allowed a beautifully elegant way of describing how the force of gravity kept planets in the orbit, how cannonballs would describe a parabolic arc, allowed the mass of the moon to be estimated and much, much else. That was the true revolution he brought &#8211; the first true unifying theory in physics, along with mathematical precision of prediction, which held good until almost the 20th century. Against that, Kepler and Gallileo merely described what they saw. </p>
<p>He also had the cheek to refer to estimaes of how far you would fall in one second without even a nod to Newton&#8217;s laws of motions which allows this to be calculated.</p>
<p>So what on earth was Robin Ince thinking of inviting this children&#8217;s clown along for? Some form of yearning for his past childhood? He had no place there, and in my view he has no place talking such rot in front of children either.  The man demonstrated no sense whatsoever of the deeper, underlying meaning of physics.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Clegg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Clegg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t make it this year, but I went last year, and I have to say -- the musical &#039;comedy&#039; really let it down. Was there much of that this time?

I can&#039;t remember a single musical act that I actually enjoyed, sorry if that sounds harsh, but all the people I went with were visibly squirming and wishing we were at the end of a row through most of them.

I think the problem is that while being a reader of this site, for example, is a pretty good predictor that you&#039;ll enjoy the other speakers, it&#039;s a pretty terrible predictor of musical taste. Because that&#039;s an (almost entirely) independent variable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t make it this year, but I went last year, and I have to say &#8212; the musical &#8216;comedy&#8217; really let it down. Was there much of that this time?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember a single musical act that I actually enjoyed, sorry if that sounds harsh, but all the people I went with were visibly squirming and wishing we were at the end of a row through most of them.</p>
<p>I think the problem is that while being a reader of this site, for example, is a pretty good predictor that you&#8217;ll enjoy the other speakers, it&#8217;s a pretty terrible predictor of musical taste. Because that&#8217;s an (almost entirely) independent variable.</p>
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		<title>By: paulhardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulhardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d like to become an atheist but I’m worried I don’t have the required smugness, anger and belligerent certainty.&quot;

Don&#039;t worry mj76 -- you can pick up plenty of tips on this from watching non-atheists such as Cormac Murpy O&#039;Connor, Jonathan Sacks, Melanie Philips etc. Sadly you&#039;ll learn nothing from disappointingly non-belligerent atheists such as Claire Rayner, Linda Smith, Ronnie Barker &amp; Sir Peter Maxwell Davies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d like to become an atheist but I’m worried I don’t have the required smugness, anger and belligerent certainty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry mj76 &#8212; you can pick up plenty of tips on this from watching non-atheists such as Cormac Murpy O&#8217;Connor, Jonathan Sacks, Melanie Philips etc. Sadly you&#8217;ll learn nothing from disappointingly non-belligerent atheists such as Claire Rayner, Linda Smith, Ronnie Barker &amp; Sir Peter Maxwell Davies.</p>
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		<title>By: Teapot</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-30044</link>
		<dc:creator>Teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see Ben and Chris Addison on the same bill,
as I&#039;d always sort of assumed they were the same person (its the hair I think). Ah, but will they ever be on stage at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to see Ben and Chris Addison on the same bill,<br />
as I&#8217;d always sort of assumed they were the same person (its the hair I think). Ah, but will they ever be on stage at the same time?</p>
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		<title>By: julie oakley</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-30043</link>
		<dc:creator>julie oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry that should have said &#039;apart from the smug, whiny one&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry that should have said &#8216;apart from the smug, whiny one&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: julie oakley</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-30042</link>
		<dc:creator>julie oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seany and speedweasel it&#039;s just a show, and this is just a flippant comment on a blog. I&#039;m not a theatre critic and you probably won&#039;t find any lurking around here.  Tell me, have you never had such a visceral negative response to a particular &#039;performer&#039; or &#039;entertainer&#039; that you&#039;d rather have teeth pulled than see them?
Actually from the smug whiny one, I&#039;d love to see the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seany and speedweasel it&#8217;s just a show, and this is just a flippant comment on a blog. I&#8217;m not a theatre critic and you probably won&#8217;t find any lurking around here.  Tell me, have you never had such a visceral negative response to a particular &#8216;performer&#8217; or &#8216;entertainer&#8217; that you&#8217;d rather have teeth pulled than see them?<br />
Actually from the smug whiny one, I&#8217;d love to see the show.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveGJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveGJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mj76

Don&#039;t worry mj, whatever level of that qualities you deem  to be necessary to achieve your ambition, you have clearly long ago surpassed it by a very considerable margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mj76</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry mj, whatever level of that qualities you deem  to be necessary to achieve your ambition, you have clearly long ago surpassed it by a very considerable margin.</p>
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		<title>By: speedweasel</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@julie oakley

If you&#039;re done complaining about Dawkins&#039; tone, perhaps you&#039;d like to make a criticism of substance?

I&#039;ll wait...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@julie oakley</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re done complaining about Dawkins&#8217; tone, perhaps you&#8217;d like to make a criticism of substance?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll wait&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JustAnEngineer</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-30035</link>
		<dc:creator>JustAnEngineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a great show. Thoroughly enjoyed almost every second. The shout from an anonymous member of the crowd of &#039;Fuck off, Johnny&#039; was a magic moment!

Can&#039;t wait until next year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a great show. Thoroughly enjoyed almost every second. The shout from an anonymous member of the crowd of &#8216;Fuck off, Johnny&#8217; was a magic moment!</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait until next year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Seany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who on earth thought that having a show headed up by Richrd Dawkins would attract the punters?&quot;

Did you see the bit on the poster where it says &#039;All Bloomsbury Shows Sold Out&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who on earth thought that having a show headed up by Richrd Dawkins would attract the punters?&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you see the bit on the poster where it says &#8216;All Bloomsbury Shows Sold Out&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: JoanCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoanCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mj76

Projecting, much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mj76</p>
<p>Projecting, much?</p>
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		<title>By: philippe muller</title>
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		<dc:creator>philippe muller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, any chance that &quot;bad science&quot; could be translated in French soon ? 
I&#039;d love to lend it, but my english version won&#039;t impress most
of my friends or enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, any chance that &#8220;bad science&#8221; could be translated in French soon ?<br />
I&#8217;d love to lend it, but my english version won&#8217;t impress most<br />
of my friends or enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: mj76</title>
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		<dc:creator>mj76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to become an atheist but I&#039;m worried I don&#039;t have the required smugness, anger and belligerent certainty. Is there any hope for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to become an atheist but I&#8217;m worried I don&#8217;t have the required smugness, anger and belligerent certainty. Is there any hope for me?</p>
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		<title>By: julie oakley</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-30020</link>
		<dc:creator>julie oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who on earth thought that having a show headed up by Richrd Dawkins would attract the punters? His cheerless, smug, whiny little voice is enough to turn the most committed atheist to religion. If only you could have a show without him…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who on earth thought that having a show headed up by Richrd Dawkins would attract the punters? His cheerless, smug, whiny little voice is enough to turn the most committed atheist to religion. If only you could have a show without him…</p>
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		<title>By: ae35 unit</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-30009</link>
		<dc:creator>ae35 unit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will there be any midgets!!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will there be any midgets!!?</p>
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		<title>By: richie507</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-30005</link>
		<dc:creator>richie507</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Ben, just seen you on The One Show, one of the briefest talking head moment&#039;s I&#039;ve ever seen! 

But brilliant nonetheless.

Not that it at all relevent to the above article.


Merry end of the year to all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Ben, just seen you on The One Show, one of the briefest talking head moment&#8217;s I&#8217;ve ever seen! </p>
<p>But brilliant nonetheless.</p>
<p>Not that it at all relevent to the above article.</p>
<p>Merry end of the year to all</p>
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		<title>By: Seany</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-30000</link>
		<dc:creator>Seany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny Ball? Oh noes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny Ball? Oh noes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jameskildare</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/the-greatest-show-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-29993</link>
		<dc:creator>jameskildare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The consequences that cause the disease can lead to death, and so this disease is painful and people suffering from it suffers greatly by the constant pain caused by taking medications that are opioid narcotics such as &lt;a href=&quot;//www.findrxonline.com/lortab.htm”&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lortab&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;//www.findrxonline.com/sitemap.html”&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;vicodin&lt;/a&gt;, hydrocodone, which are very effective in suppressing the pain that causes the disease, we hope that people care and know findrxonline adequately informed as well as notes on your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consequences that cause the disease can lead to death, and so this disease is painful and people suffering from it suffers greatly by the constant pain caused by taking medications that are opioid narcotics such as <a href="//www.findrxonline.com/lortab.htm”" rel="nofollow">Lortab</a>, <a href="//www.findrxonline.com/sitemap.html”" rel="nofollow">vicodin</a>, hydrocodone, which are very effective in suppressing the pain that causes the disease, we hope that people care and know findrxonline adequately informed as well as notes on your site.</p>
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