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		<title>By: globallaptopbattery</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-32201</link>
		<dc:creator>globallaptopbattery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 03:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: heavens</title>
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		<dc:creator>heavens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might not have been underpowered:  I was told as a child that the two groups compared were all of the Israelite captives (at least, all of the upper-class captives), compared to all of the upper-class Babylonian young men.  

It wasn&#039;t randomized, and was only single-blind, and it&#039;s unclear whether the control group realizes that they&#039;re being studied (which could permit deliberate manipulation by the experimental group), but it might have included an adequate number of subjects.  (I&#039;m still not convinced that the initial 10-day experiment ran long enough, but the results three years later are sufficient in my mind.) 

Also, the meat and wine were being rejected strictly for religious reasons, as the problem was not that they were meat and wine, but that the meat and wine weren&#039;t &quot;kosher&quot;.  However, drunkenness is widely accepted as causing health problems, so it might well be that following this religious rule had a positive health effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might not have been underpowered:  I was told as a child that the two groups compared were all of the Israelite captives (at least, all of the upper-class captives), compared to all of the upper-class Babylonian young men.  </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t randomized, and was only single-blind, and it&#8217;s unclear whether the control group realizes that they&#8217;re being studied (which could permit deliberate manipulation by the experimental group), but it might have included an adequate number of subjects.  (I&#8217;m still not convinced that the initial 10-day experiment ran long enough, but the results three years later are sufficient in my mind.) </p>
<p>Also, the meat and wine were being rejected strictly for religious reasons, as the problem was not that they were meat and wine, but that the meat and wine weren&#8217;t &#8220;kosher&#8221;.  However, drunkenness is widely accepted as causing health problems, so it might well be that following this religious rule had a positive health effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Dionysus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dionysus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what about Rupert Murdoch&#039;s people reporting it as fact that a woman was cured of cancer by praying to Mary MacKillop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what about Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s people reporting it as fact that a woman was cured of cancer by praying to Mary MacKillop?</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tessa K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king’s meat. 

I think you&#039;ll find that this is a mistranslation initially in the Tyndale bible, which was then perpetuated in the King James Version. If you go back to the original Hebrew it does in fact read &#039; fairer and fartier in flesh&#039; - which makes sense if they were eating a pulse-rich diet. 

It is essential to consult primary sources rather than rely on reportage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king’s meat. </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll find that this is a mistranslation initially in the Tyndale bible, which was then perpetuated in the King James Version. If you go back to the original Hebrew it does in fact read &#8216; fairer and fartier in flesh&#8217; &#8211; which makes sense if they were eating a pulse-rich diet. </p>
<p>It is essential to consult primary sources rather than rely on reportage.</p>
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		<title>By: Dionysus</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30567</link>
		<dc:creator>Dionysus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys would dig this story:

http://www.news.com.au/national/mary-mackillop-saved-me-cancer-victim/story-e6frfkvr-1225818177108</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys would dig this story:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/national/mary-mackillop-saved-me-cancer-victim/story-e6frfkvr-1225818177108" rel="nofollow">www.news.com.au/national/mary-mackillop-saved-me-cancer-victim/story-e6frfkvr-1225818177108</a></p>
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		<title>By: 4tytwo</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30564</link>
		<dc:creator>4tytwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what the placebo would have been?

Nice try for a joke but I guess it might be wasted on a lot of pseudo scientists. Perhaps if you would have printed it in greek or hebrew some people would have understood it as they would have been required to think. I prefere the translation of Luther who translated the result in 1-15: 

Und nach den zehn Tagen waren sie schöner und besser bei Leibe denn alle Knaben, so von des Königs Speise aßen.

which translates it into &quot;beauty and in good shape&quot; as {baw-ree&#039;baw-sawr&#039;} could also be translated into firm fleshed albeit being fat was a sign of beauty once.

But then our modern society does not believe in a healthy diet in the early days of life but in the use of multi vitamin pills and antioxidant&#039;s in later life. The fact that it can be too late then should be easy to comprehend when looking at the effect of antioxidants and smoking. If the primary cancer has already formed the inhibition of apoptosis by those antioxidants must lead to the progression of the cancer. At that point more &quot;radical&quot; treatment is needed. How&#039;s that for a metaphor?  I already postulated that back in the late 90&#039;s but would have never been allowed to publish that as I was working for a company promoting health in antioxidants. However I would have hoped you would have picked this up in your nice bad science book. But perhaps you could not refere to a publication about the hazards and benefits of antioxidants that came out of a nutritionist journal.
http://www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/20/suppl_5/464S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what the placebo would have been?</p>
<p>Nice try for a joke but I guess it might be wasted on a lot of pseudo scientists. Perhaps if you would have printed it in greek or hebrew some people would have understood it as they would have been required to think. I prefere the translation of Luther who translated the result in 1-15: </p>
<p>Und nach den zehn Tagen waren sie schöner und besser bei Leibe denn alle Knaben, so von des Königs Speise aßen.</p>
<p>which translates it into &#8220;beauty and in good shape&#8221; as {baw-ree&#8217;baw-sawr&#8217;} could also be translated into firm fleshed albeit being fat was a sign of beauty once.</p>
<p>But then our modern society does not believe in a healthy diet in the early days of life but in the use of multi vitamin pills and antioxidant&#8217;s in later life. The fact that it can be too late then should be easy to comprehend when looking at the effect of antioxidants and smoking. If the primary cancer has already formed the inhibition of apoptosis by those antioxidants must lead to the progression of the cancer. At that point more &#8220;radical&#8221; treatment is needed. How&#8217;s that for a metaphor?  I already postulated that back in the late 90&#8242;s but would have never been allowed to publish that as I was working for a company promoting health in antioxidants. However I would have hoped you would have picked this up in your nice bad science book. But perhaps you could not refere to a publication about the hazards and benefits of antioxidants that came out of a nutritionist journal.<br />
<a href="http://www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/20/suppl_5/464S" rel="nofollow">www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/20/suppl_5/464S</a></p>
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		<title>By: James DS</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30547</link>
		<dc:creator>James DS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they had a &quot;fairer&quot; continence due to anemia if they&#039;d removed meat from their diets...  Plus how exactly did they get fatter by switching meat and wine for veg and water?  Sounds like bodged results to me!  Maybe I should stop believing everything in the Bible :(

Also, can someone explain the whole &quot;giant sky wizard&quot; reference to me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they had a &#8220;fairer&#8221; continence due to anemia if they&#8217;d removed meat from their diets&#8230;  Plus how exactly did they get fatter by switching meat and wine for veg and water?  Sounds like bodged results to me!  Maybe I should stop believing everything in the Bible <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, can someone explain the whole &#8220;giant sky wizard&#8221; reference to me?</p>
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		<title>By: BloodyViking</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30499</link>
		<dc:creator>BloodyViking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple nits about your first sentence:
1) No one knows when Jesus&#039; birthday is.  If we choose to accept the non-sky wizard parts of the Biblical account of his birth, it certainly is Not in December.

2) &quot;Christ&quot; is a title or honorific, not a name.  If you don&#039;t buy into the &quot;giant sky wizard&quot; bit, you really shouldn&#039;t use the title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple nits about your first sentence:<br />
1) No one knows when Jesus&#8217; birthday is.  If we choose to accept the non-sky wizard parts of the Biblical account of his birth, it certainly is Not in December.</p>
<p>2) &#8220;Christ&#8221; is a title or honorific, not a name.  If you don&#8217;t buy into the &#8220;giant sky wizard&#8221; bit, you really shouldn&#8217;t use the title.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30494</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, peer-review of the writing and editing process was likely an extensive collaboration across space and time, even if occasionally conducted through such unusual channels as declaring holy war on dissenters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, peer-review of the writing and editing process was likely an extensive collaboration across space and time, even if occasionally conducted through such unusual channels as declaring holy war on dissenters.</p>
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		<title>By: Daibhid C</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30454</link>
		<dc:creator>Daibhid C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Le Canard - the alleged editor and primary contributor to the journal specifically denies the existence of any peers - hence, no peer review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Le Canard &#8211; the alleged editor and primary contributor to the journal specifically denies the existence of any peers &#8211; hence, no peer review.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Hague</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30452</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Hague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet many of Daniel&#039;s pals were none too pleased at getting a plate of veggies instead of a nice roast dinner with spuddies and gravy and lashings of wine. I can imagine there was plenty of muttering and grumbling and accusations of &#039;party pooper&#039; being sent his way.

Love your book, btw. I did actually buy it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet many of Daniel&#8217;s pals were none too pleased at getting a plate of veggies instead of a nice roast dinner with spuddies and gravy and lashings of wine. I can imagine there was plenty of muttering and grumbling and accusations of &#8216;party pooper&#8217; being sent his way.</p>
<p>Love your book, btw. I did actually buy it <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MedsVsTherapy</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30446</link>
		<dc:creator>MedsVsTherapy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This piece of literature has been read, literally religiously, devoutly, regularly, by thousands since written. Memorized, no less. Nonetheless, sadly, the wisdom of the controlled trial, right there in the bvery beginning of Daniel, was not recognized; Daniel&#039;s trial did not lead to more diet-related research or more examination of the power of research design to illustrate healthful effects. In intellectual history, we waited until James Lind&#039;s regognized anti-scurvy trial, in the 1750s, before we picked up the idea of the controlled trial and employed that as a tool to generate knowledge. Herodotus&#039; anecdote, arguably conveyed about the same time as Daniel, is word-of-mouth, and not as well-designed, but is valuable wisdom either way. The History is likely nowhere near as widely read as Daniel, yet still extremely widely read, yet the trial did nto take off as a means for evaluating claims of knowledge. What might be right in front of our noses nowadays that we are not recognizing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece of literature has been read, literally religiously, devoutly, regularly, by thousands since written. Memorized, no less. Nonetheless, sadly, the wisdom of the controlled trial, right there in the bvery beginning of Daniel, was not recognized; Daniel&#8217;s trial did not lead to more diet-related research or more examination of the power of research design to illustrate healthful effects. In intellectual history, we waited until James Lind&#8217;s regognized anti-scurvy trial, in the 1750s, before we picked up the idea of the controlled trial and employed that as a tool to generate knowledge. Herodotus&#8217; anecdote, arguably conveyed about the same time as Daniel, is word-of-mouth, and not as well-designed, but is valuable wisdom either way. The History is likely nowhere near as widely read as Daniel, yet still extremely widely read, yet the trial did nto take off as a means for evaluating claims of knowledge. What might be right in front of our noses nowadays that we are not recognizing?</p>
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		<title>By: prescott</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30442</link>
		<dc:creator>prescott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.findrxonline.com/rss/articles/opioid-treatment.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Generic drugs&lt;/a&gt; are an aid to the population as though maybe some do not have the same effectiveness of the original medicines, have the components necessary to dispel the pain or discomfort that occasionally gives us any disease. Many locations to provide adequate information on findrxonline generic as indicating that the chronic pain medication are the most sought after and preferred in the U.S. for its economy and quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.findrxonline.com/rss/articles/opioid-treatment.html" rel="nofollow">Generic drugs</a> are an aid to the population as though maybe some do not have the same effectiveness of the original medicines, have the components necessary to dispel the pain or discomfort that occasionally gives us any disease. Many locations to provide adequate information on findrxonline generic as indicating that the chronic pain medication are the most sought after and preferred in the U.S. for its economy and quality.</p>
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		<title>By: le canard noir</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30419</link>
		<dc:creator>le canard noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst the journal appears to have a high impact factor, its editorial policy appears to be very against peer review and clearly states that it is self-published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst the journal appears to have a high impact factor, its editorial policy appears to be very against peer review and clearly states that it is self-published.</p>
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		<title>By: SimonW</title>
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		<dc:creator>SimonW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the appropriate evidence based reading for the day was John 7:41-42

Others said, &quot;He is the Christ.&quot; Still others asked, &quot;How can the Christ come from Galilee? Does not the Scripture say that the Christ will come from David&#039;s family and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the appropriate evidence based reading for the day was John 7:41-42</p>
<p>Others said, &#8220;He is the Christ.&#8221; Still others asked, &#8220;How can the Christ come from Galilee? Does not the Scripture say that the Christ will come from David&#8217;s family and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ms</title>
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		<dc:creator>ms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years earlier, Psamtik I allegedly performed a single-blind trial: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0126:book%3D2:chapter%3D2  I say allegedly, because Herodotus tends towards &quot;some bloke down the pub told me this great story about crocodiles&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years earlier, Psamtik I allegedly performed a single-blind trial: <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0126:book%3D2:chapter%3D2" rel="nofollow">www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0126:book%3D2:chapter%3D2</a>  I say allegedly, because Herodotus tends towards &#8220;some bloke down the pub told me this great story about crocodiles&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Geph</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30409</link>
		<dc:creator>Geph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Ben, I agree that prima facie this is a clinical trial.  What troubles me is Daniels&#039; involvement, given his prior history of magic tricks.  His eponymous book refers to chums Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego exiting fiery furnaces entered unscathed, apparently he got on well with pussycats, and he was one of a kind when it came to linguistics.  Were the data soundly and objectively recorded?  Has anyone yet hacked his email account?  Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Ben, I agree that prima facie this is a clinical trial.  What troubles me is Daniels&#8217; involvement, given his prior history of magic tricks.  His eponymous book refers to chums Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego exiting fiery furnaces entered unscathed, apparently he got on well with pussycats, and he was one of a kind when it came to linguistics.  Were the data soundly and objectively recorded?  Has anyone yet hacked his email account?  Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: notzed</title>
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		<dc:creator>notzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 03:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a description of the first ever clinical trial.&quot;

That&#039;s a bit western/judeo centric isn&#039;t it?  :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a description of the first ever clinical trial.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a bit western/judeo centric isn&#8217;t it?  <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Santiago G Moreno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santiago G Moreno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too good to miss... 

HARLOT plc: an amalgamation of the world&#039;s two oldest professions.
Sackett, David, Oxman, Andrew

BMJ  2003;327:1442-1445, doi:10.1136/bmj.327.7429.1442</description>
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<p>HARLOT plc: an amalgamation of the world&#8217;s two oldest professions.<br />
Sackett, David, Oxman, Andrew</p>
<p>BMJ  2003;327:1442-1445, doi:10.1136/bmj.327.7429.1442</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/todays-bible-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-30406</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you say it was underpowered?  It found an effect.  It had plenty of power to detect the effect that existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you say it was underpowered?  It found an effect.  It had plenty of power to detect the effect that existed.</p>
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