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		<title>By: kwhitefoot</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/01/voices-of-the-ancients/comment-page-1/#comment-30958</link>
		<dc:creator>kwhitefoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@susu.exp,January 16, 2010 at 7:35 pm 

I&#039;ve just skimmed the paper and I can&#039;t see quite the problem you describe.  The paper in essence says that if the likelihood of an event is less than one divided  by the number of possible opportunities then we can regard it as operationally impossible.  This seems a plausible working definition and it does not say that such a thing is impossible, merely that it isn&#039;t worth spending scarce resources on it.

Of course if you can quote the context for your assertion, I might change my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@susu.exp,January 16, 2010 at 7:35 pm </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just skimmed the paper and I can&#8217;t see quite the problem you describe.  The paper in essence says that if the likelihood of an event is less than one divided  by the number of possible opportunities then we can regard it as operationally impossible.  This seems a plausible working definition and it does not say that such a thing is impossible, merely that it isn&#8217;t worth spending scarce resources on it.</p>
<p>Of course if you can quote the context for your assertion, I might change my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: irishaxeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishaxeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s lots of stuff parked on lines of sight in the UK, I think it&#039;s called communications (like the invasion bonfires thing?). Lots of places join up because they&#039;re in communities that grew up alongside existing roads (e.g. Ryknield St, Watling St.). None of it is in the slightest bit mystical. It is the default explanation position even in science e.g any artefact or decoration has a mystical significance or was &#039;clearly part of a ritual&#039;. Common enough and largely rubbish too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s lots of stuff parked on lines of sight in the UK, I think it&#8217;s called communications (like the invasion bonfires thing?). Lots of places join up because they&#8217;re in communities that grew up alongside existing roads (e.g. Ryknield St, Watling St.). None of it is in the slightest bit mystical. It is the default explanation position even in science e.g any artefact or decoration has a mystical significance or was &#8216;clearly part of a ritual&#8217;. Common enough and largely rubbish too.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel_Mad</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/01/voices-of-the-ancients/comment-page-1/#comment-30713</link>
		<dc:creator>Colonel_Mad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;allowing our ancestors to travel between settlements with pinpoint accuracy&quot;

A couple of thoughts:

If I am standing in the centre of Stonehenge in approximately 1000BC and wanted to get to say the Avebury circle to catch up with some old Uni mates, how on earth am I supposed to know where the fr!g the Rollright Stones are let alone use them to guide me down to Wiltshire?

I am perhaps the least qualified archaeologist in the developed world, but can&#039;t this douchebag see that the 1500 currently known ancient sites were most probably surrounded by 10s if not 100s of other sites equally important to people in the past, which have since disappeared without trace? Pretty clever of them to make sure that the only ones not built on/buried under roads/pillaged by future generations would be the ones that fit this Woolworthian pattern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;allowing our ancestors to travel between settlements with pinpoint accuracy&#8221;</p>
<p>A couple of thoughts:</p>
<p>If I am standing in the centre of Stonehenge in approximately 1000BC and wanted to get to say the Avebury circle to catch up with some old Uni mates, how on earth am I supposed to know where the fr!g the Rollright Stones are let alone use them to guide me down to Wiltshire?</p>
<p>I am perhaps the least qualified archaeologist in the developed world, but can&#8217;t this douchebag see that the 1500 currently known ancient sites were most probably surrounded by 10s if not 100s of other sites equally important to people in the past, which have since disappeared without trace? Pretty clever of them to make sure that the only ones not built on/buried under roads/pillaged by future generations would be the ones that fit this Woolworthian pattern.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/01/voices-of-the-ancients/comment-page-1/#comment-30649</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horizon transcript at http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/atlantisrebornagain_transcript.shtml which, going by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Hancock#BBC_Horizon_controversy reflects a supervisory agency&#039;s finding that &quot;The programme unfairly omitted one of their arguments in rebuttal of a speaker who criticised the theory of a significant correlation between the Giza pyramids and the belt stars of the constellation Orion (the &quot;correlation theory&quot;)&quot;.

I thought I&#039;d remembered they used the locations of McDonalds restaurants.  Not what it says.  Maybe that was another time.

I consider the complaint about -some- critics of the significance of human society&#039;s actions for the planet&#039;s climate is valid.  Someone finds a couple of glaciers that are larger, not smaller, than last measured, or observes that it&#039;s been a distinctly cold winter so far this year, and that&#039;s their argument.  But it isn&#039;t an argument, it&#039;s just a data point contrary to others, like Uncle Sidney who smoked sixty cigarettes a day and lived to be seventy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horizon transcript at <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/atlantisrebornagain_transcript.shtml" rel="nofollow">www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/atlantisrebornagain_transcript.shtml</a> which, going by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Hancock#BBC_Horizon_controversy" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Hancock#BBC_Horizon_controversy</a> reflects a supervisory agency&#8217;s finding that &#8220;The programme unfairly omitted one of their arguments in rebuttal of a speaker who criticised the theory of a significant correlation between the Giza pyramids and the belt stars of the constellation Orion (the &#8220;correlation theory&#8221;)&#8221;.</p>
<p>I thought I&#8217;d remembered they used the locations of McDonalds restaurants.  Not what it says.  Maybe that was another time.</p>
<p>I consider the complaint about -some- critics of the significance of human society&#8217;s actions for the planet&#8217;s climate is valid.  Someone finds a couple of glaciers that are larger, not smaller, than last measured, or observes that it&#8217;s been a distinctly cold winter so far this year, and that&#8217;s their argument.  But it isn&#8217;t an argument, it&#8217;s just a data point contrary to others, like Uncle Sidney who smoked sixty cigarettes a day and lived to be seventy.</p>
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		<title>By: robaker</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/01/voices-of-the-ancients/comment-page-1/#comment-30642</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Veronica

Except it doesn&#039;t wreck the argument at all. He still used
presumably non-mystical sites of a chain of shops to produce a similarly precise geometric pattern. You might not like the dig at the global warming deniers (fair enough) but it doesn&#039;t change his argument even a little bit.</description>
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<p>Except it doesn&#8217;t wreck the argument at all. He still used<br />
presumably non-mystical sites of a chain of shops to produce a similarly precise geometric pattern. You might not like the dig at the global warming deniers (fair enough) but it doesn&#8217;t change his argument even a little bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I was with this all the way until the comparison came up with global warming deniers!  He wrecked his argument right there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I was with this all the way until the comparison came up with global warming deniers!  He wrecked his argument right there!</p>
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		<title>By: Trez75</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trez75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I draw 1500 dots on a piece of paper, and note that some of them form geometric shapes, is that newsworthy enough to make it into a national newspaper? Can I sell a book for £14 that says how this is because I&#039;m guided by an innate sense of geometry inherent in my DNA?

Or is it just that its statistically probable that with 1500 dots that some of the dots will line up?

Good ol&#039; Daily Mail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I draw 1500 dots on a piece of paper, and note that some of them form geometric shapes, is that newsworthy enough to make it into a national newspaper? Can I sell a book for £14 that says how this is because I&#8217;m guided by an innate sense of geometry inherent in my DNA?</p>
<p>Or is it just that its statistically probable that with 1500 dots that some of the dots will line up?</p>
<p>Good ol&#8217; Daily Mail</p>
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		<title>By: mikewhit</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikewhit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In short, when they can apply bad science…&quot;

That&#039;s like the Family Guy episode when Peter says he gets excited watching a film (movie) when someone in the film actually says the film&#039;s title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In short, when they can apply bad science…&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like the Family Guy episode when Peter says he gets excited watching a film (movie) when someone in the film actually says the film&#8217;s title.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/01/voices-of-the-ancients/comment-page-1/#comment-30605</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realise the danger of turning Bad Science into another pro/anti-AGW blog, but Brady&#039;s comments simply cannot be ignored when dealing with Bad Science.

Chiefio may perhaps support Badscience.net (does he?), he sure does not support AGW. If he&#039;s supportive of Ben Goldacre&#039;s work, perhaps he should put his own work under scrutiny. For example, he may start to learn the difference between temperature and temperature anomaly.

And the populartechnology list of supposedly peer-reviewed papers that are skeptic of AGW contain papers that...well...are either not peer-reviewed, are from Energy&amp;Environment (which is like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons: as long as the message fits, you can get loads of rubbish published), are not even close to skeptical of AGW, or are critical of minor details.

Oh, and even if all those papers WERE truly skeptical, they&#039;d still constitute a few isolated examples, compared to the total body of work.

Climategate showed that supposed &#039;skeptics&#039; throw all skepticism overboard when they can twist a message to fit the desired outcome. In short, when they can apply bad science...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realise the danger of turning Bad Science into another pro/anti-AGW blog, but Brady&#8217;s comments simply cannot be ignored when dealing with Bad Science.</p>
<p>Chiefio may perhaps support <a href="http://Badscience.net" class="autohyperlink" title="http://Badscience.net" target="_blank">Badscience.net</a> (does he?), he sure does not support AGW. If he&#8217;s supportive of Ben Goldacre&#8217;s work, perhaps he should put his own work under scrutiny. For example, he may start to learn the difference between temperature and temperature anomaly.</p>
<p>And the populartechnology list of supposedly peer-reviewed papers that are skeptic of AGW contain papers that&#8230;well&#8230;are either not peer-reviewed, are from Energy&amp;Environment (which is like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons: as long as the message fits, you can get loads of rubbish published), are not even close to skeptical of AGW, or are critical of minor details.</p>
<p>Oh, and even if all those papers WERE truly skeptical, they&#8217;d still constitute a few isolated examples, compared to the total body of work.</p>
<p>Climategate showed that supposed &#8216;skeptics&#8217; throw all skepticism overboard when they can twist a message to fit the desired outcome. In short, when they can apply bad science&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: misterjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>misterjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have looked at some of Brady&#039;s examples from &quot;Popular Technology&quot;, some of which date back to 1982. They claim 500 peer reviewed papers, but many of them are simply responses to other papers. Many of them are not written by climatologists, it would appear, and even if we accept all his examples, it is on average fewer than 20 articles per year, which I suspect is a small number compared to the number of articles in peer-reviewed journals which support the view that there is global warming.
Given however the level of general ignorance in these areas, as evinced by a BBC article referring to the &quot;icy climate&quot; in Devon last week, I doubt whether the likes of Brady will be persuaded that the global warming theory is not a conspiracy by the manufacturers of Wind Farms, producers of Hydro-electricity, and developers of Nuclear Power.
As for the original subject of the article, has no-one noticed that sites 1, 4,5 9 and 10, as an example, lie close to a straight line. I don&#039;t ascribe any meaning to this. If we moved either Pitminster or Pulham the design would be symmetrical. Alternatively we could finf some other site that would do the job.
Phooey - &quot;Chariots of the Gods&quot; tosh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have looked at some of Brady&#8217;s examples from &#8220;Popular Technology&#8221;, some of which date back to 1982. They claim 500 peer reviewed papers, but many of them are simply responses to other papers. Many of them are not written by climatologists, it would appear, and even if we accept all his examples, it is on average fewer than 20 articles per year, which I suspect is a small number compared to the number of articles in peer-reviewed journals which support the view that there is global warming.<br />
Given however the level of general ignorance in these areas, as evinced by a BBC article referring to the &#8220;icy climate&#8221; in Devon last week, I doubt whether the likes of Brady will be persuaded that the global warming theory is not a conspiracy by the manufacturers of Wind Farms, producers of Hydro-electricity, and developers of Nuclear Power.<br />
As for the original subject of the article, has no-one noticed that sites 1, 4,5 9 and 10, as an example, lie close to a straight line. I don&#8217;t ascribe any meaning to this. If we moved either Pitminster or Pulham the design would be symmetrical. Alternatively we could finf some other site that would do the job.<br />
Phooey &#8211; &#8220;Chariots of the Gods&#8221; tosh.</p>
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		<title>By: stonemasonette</title>
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		<dc:creator>stonemasonette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just a restatement of some good old fringe archaeology rubbish - Erik von Daniken, anyone? The whole thing is such old hat that archaeology students at university are actually taught to recognise these recurring elements (ley lines, constellations, aliens, mystic patterns) as &#039;bad archaeology&#039;. 

The &#039;extra-terrestrials must have done it because the natives can&#039;t possibly have been clever enough&#039; theory is not only nonsense but also covers some rather unsavoury racist assumptions. In that way, maybe it&#039;s refreshing that someone&#039;s finally used it about Britain instead of some far-off place where the indigenous people are dark-skinned. Or maybe it&#039;s just irritating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just a restatement of some good old fringe archaeology rubbish &#8211; Erik von Daniken, anyone? The whole thing is such old hat that archaeology students at university are actually taught to recognise these recurring elements (ley lines, constellations, aliens, mystic patterns) as &#8216;bad archaeology&#8217;. </p>
<p>The &#8216;extra-terrestrials must have done it because the natives can&#8217;t possibly have been clever enough&#8217; theory is not only nonsense but also covers some rather unsavoury racist assumptions. In that way, maybe it&#8217;s refreshing that someone&#8217;s finally used it about Britain instead of some far-off place where the indigenous people are dark-skinned. Or maybe it&#8217;s just irritating.</p>
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		<title>By: Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooooh ... and Ben muddies again an otherwise fine posting with a swift quote kick to the nether regions of those &quot;dangerous deniers&quot;, to delight the Guardian Teamsters, before departing the field.

Time to rev up the local warmers again and introduce more bits of cognitive dissonance :-)

Of course, just saying that a black cat is white must mean that the black cat IS white. Right? &quot;...vast amounts of comprehensive evidence ...&quot;? That must be the IPCC reports? Problems boys... 
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/06/systematic-misrepresentation-of-science.html

Comprensive evidence? Have a look at the latest comprehensive Bolivia evidence, from one of your chief fellow supporters:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/ghcn-gistemp-interactions-the-bolivia-effect/

And then we have &quot;... a few isolated examples ...&quot;  
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

Of course, this must be the wrong sort of evidence from the wrong sort of people... and a few ad homs will suffice to sweep it under the Guardian rug once again. However in these Post-Climategate times it is probably not a good idea to mix Bad Science with bad science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooooh &#8230; and Ben muddies again an otherwise fine posting with a swift quote kick to the nether regions of those &#8220;dangerous deniers&#8221;, to delight the Guardian Teamsters, before departing the field.</p>
<p>Time to rev up the local warmers again and introduce more bits of cognitive dissonance <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Of course, just saying that a black cat is white must mean that the black cat IS white. Right? &#8220;&#8230;vast amounts of comprehensive evidence &#8230;&#8221;? That must be the IPCC reports? Problems boys&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/06/systematic-misrepresentation-of-science.html" rel="nofollow">rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/06/systematic-misrepresentation-of-science.html</a></p>
<p>Comprensive evidence? Have a look at the latest comprehensive Bolivia evidence, from one of your chief fellow supporters:<br />
<a href="http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/ghcn-gistemp-interactions-the-bolivia-effect/" rel="nofollow">chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/ghcn-gistemp-interactions-the-bolivia-effect/</a></p>
<p>And then we have &#8220;&#8230; a few isolated examples &#8230;&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html" rel="nofollow">www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html</a></p>
<p>Of course, this must be the wrong sort of evidence from the wrong sort of people&#8230; and a few ad homs will suffice to sweep it under the Guardian rug once again. However in these Post-Climategate times it is probably not a good idea to mix Bad Science with bad science.</p>
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		<title>By: IMSoP</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/01/voices-of-the-ancients/comment-page-1/#comment-30601</link>
		<dc:creator>IMSoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things stood out to me from that Mail link: the bizarre scare-quotes around &quot;triangles&quot; (but not, you&#039;ll notice, &quot;isosceles&quot;!) and the fact that, lo and behold, &quot;Prehistoric Geometry in Britain: the Discoveries of Tom Brooks&#039; is now on sale priced £13.90&quot; - any one care to explain the spiritual significance of that price?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things stood out to me from that Mail link: the bizarre scare-quotes around &#8220;triangles&#8221; (but not, you&#8217;ll notice, &#8220;isosceles&#8221;!) and the fact that, lo and behold, &#8220;Prehistoric Geometry in Britain: the Discoveries of Tom Brooks&#8217; is now on sale priced £13.90&#8243; &#8211; any one care to explain the spiritual significance of that price?</p>
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		<title>By: eveningperson</title>
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		<dc:creator>eveningperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine who is a geologist in Cornwall once described an encounter with a ley line enthusiast.

The ley line guy was describing how supposed energy points lie in straight lines, when my friend pointed out that a modern wind generator happened to lie right on one of the principal lines on his map. My friend was amazed how his observation was immediately and without critical thought added to the accumulated confirmatory evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine who is a geologist in Cornwall once described an encounter with a ley line enthusiast.</p>
<p>The ley line guy was describing how supposed energy points lie in straight lines, when my friend pointed out that a modern wind generator happened to lie right on one of the principal lines on his map. My friend was amazed how his observation was immediately and without critical thought added to the accumulated confirmatory evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: tooto</title>
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		<dc:creator>tooto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to explain virtually the same thing to my friend at primary school. He was amazed at the fact that two stones throne onto the playground always formed a strait line...


I wasn&#039;t so impressed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to explain virtually the same thing to my friend at primary school. He was amazed at the fact that two stones throne onto the playground always formed a strait line&#8230;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t so impressed</p>
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		<title>By: jamrifis</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamrifis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see the neglected but rich and rewarding world of archaeological cranks getting some deserved attention. Still, to my mind this guy is not the equal of Graham Hancock - the man who discovered that the alignments of various ancient monuments prove that we are all about to die in a watery cataclysm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see the neglected but rich and rewarding world of archaeological cranks getting some deserved attention. Still, to my mind this guy is not the equal of Graham Hancock &#8211; the man who discovered that the alignments of various ancient monuments prove that we are all about to die in a watery cataclysm.</p>
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		<title>By: susu.exp</title>
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		<dc:creator>susu.exp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I´m just popping in to give a link to my new favorite bit of woo:
http://www.tbiomed.com/content/6/1/27
This thing for some strange reason got published. What it states that anything with a probability of occuring at least once lower than 1-1/e (i.e. ~63.2%) certainly never happens. It also proposes that we should always assume uniform distributions for working out that probability. I´ve falsified the hypothesis that the sun exists using that approach...
The bad news is that the journal is a peer-reviewed open access e-journal. The good news is that we can have a high degree of confidence, that anything citing this thing is quackery. I´ve had it thrown at me by creationists, but given that it´s a biomedical journal the usual suspects for a bad science collumn can´t be far behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I´m just popping in to give a link to my new favorite bit of woo:<br />
<a href="http://www.tbiomed.com/content/6/1/27" rel="nofollow">www.tbiomed.com/content/6/1/27</a><br />
This thing for some strange reason got published. What it states that anything with a probability of occuring at least once lower than 1-1/e (i.e. ~63.2%) certainly never happens. It also proposes that we should always assume uniform distributions for working out that probability. I´ve falsified the hypothesis that the sun exists using that approach&#8230;<br />
The bad news is that the journal is a peer-reviewed open access e-journal. The good news is that we can have a high degree of confidence, that anything citing this thing is quackery. I´ve had it thrown at me by creationists, but given that it´s a biomedical journal the usual suspects for a bad science collumn can´t be far behind.</p>
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		<title>By: quasilobachevski</title>
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		<dc:creator>quasilobachevski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Slight nitpick. You write

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Researcher Tom Brooks analysed 1,500 prehistoric monuments, and found them all to be on a grid of isosceles triangles...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Surely if they were &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; on a grid of triangles then that would be impressive.  The charge is that he cherry-picked his data, right?

emil79,

It all depends what you mean by `straight&#039;.  On a curved surface, we normally work with &lt;a href=&quot;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geodesics&lt;/a&gt;, ie shortest paths.  On a sphere, the geodesics are great circles, like the equator and the Greenwich Meridian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Slight nitpick. You write</p>
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Researcher Tom Brooks analysed 1,500 prehistoric monuments, and found them all to be on a grid of isosceles triangles&#8230;
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<p>Surely if they were <i>all</i> on a grid of triangles then that would be impressive.  The charge is that he cherry-picked his data, right?</p>
<p>emil79,</p>
<p>It all depends what you mean by `straight&#8217;.  On a curved surface, we normally work with <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic" rel="nofollow">geodesics</a>, ie shortest paths.  On a sphere, the geodesics are great circles, like the equator and the Greenwich Meridian.</p>
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		<title>By: fragmeister</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/01/voices-of-the-ancients/comment-page-1/#comment-30595</link>
		<dc:creator>fragmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My amateur archaeologcal investigations have uncovered evidence that the former site of Woolworths in Colchester was actually once a Tesco.  I am convinced that some of the stones of the old Tesco were symbolically reused in the rebuilt Woolworth.  And of course this was all on the site of Claudius&#039;s Roman colonia.  QED bt I&#039;m not sure what I&#039;ved QEDed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My amateur archaeologcal investigations have uncovered evidence that the former site of Woolworths in Colchester was actually once a Tesco.  I am convinced that some of the stones of the old Tesco were symbolically reused in the rebuilt Woolworth.  And of course this was all on the site of Claudius&#8217;s Roman colonia.  QED bt I&#8217;m not sure what I&#8217;ved QEDed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonobo</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/01/voices-of-the-ancients/comment-page-1/#comment-30594</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember similar twaddle being spouted about Temples of ancient civilisations being laid out in some planetary formations or some such as proof of alien visitations bringing the global phenomenon of Gods coming from the heavens.  I think this was quickly debunked also by similar mathematical proof and undeniably by Plate Tectonics, but not before they were given a platform in the form of a documentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember similar twaddle being spouted about Temples of ancient civilisations being laid out in some planetary formations or some such as proof of alien visitations bringing the global phenomenon of Gods coming from the heavens.  I think this was quickly debunked also by similar mathematical proof and undeniably by Plate Tectonics, but not before they were given a platform in the form of a documentary.</p>
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