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	<title>Comments on: Caroline Pidgeon (lib dem) falls for bogus Rentokil story, in the London Assembly&#8230; UPDATED for un-fail</title>
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		<title>By: qlmycff</title>
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		<dc:creator>qlmycff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JimG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mayor (or rather, somone who works for him) has since replied to CP&#039;s question:

Watch the Bus Bugs Don’t Bite! (1)
Question number	1044/2010
Meeting date	17/03/2010
Question by
Caroline Pidgeon
Were you as horrified as me to read recent reports about the disturbing amount of bugs on our buses and trains?

Answer by Boris Johnson
I am afraid that these reports are a classic piece of PR manipulation by a company trying to sell its wares, and are completely unfounded.
Rentokil subsequently retracted the claims, and London Underground’s occupational hygiene specialists undertook a full examination of trains, and found no evidence whatsoever of any infestation. Tube trains are cleaned after every working day, and deep cleaned every 14 days to maintain the highest levels of cleanliness. There is no evidence of infestation on buses, either.

Link: http://mqt.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/question.do?id=30763</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mayor (or rather, somone who works for him) has since replied to CP&#8217;s question:</p>
<p>Watch the Bus Bugs Don’t Bite! (1)<br />
Question number	1044/2010<br />
Meeting date	17/03/2010<br />
Question by<br />
Caroline Pidgeon<br />
Were you as horrified as me to read recent reports about the disturbing amount of bugs on our buses and trains?</p>
<p>Answer by Boris Johnson<br />
I am afraid that these reports are a classic piece of PR manipulation by a company trying to sell its wares, and are completely unfounded.<br />
Rentokil subsequently retracted the claims, and London Underground’s occupational hygiene specialists undertook a full examination of trains, and found no evidence whatsoever of any infestation. Tube trains are cleaned after every working day, and deep cleaned every 14 days to maintain the highest levels of cleanliness. There is no evidence of infestation on buses, either.</p>
<p>Link: <a href="http://mqt.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/question.do?id=30763" rel="nofollow">mqt.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/question.do?id=30763</a></p>
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		<title>By: mikewhit</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikewhit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that the Press Complaints body and the ASA aren&#039;t taken too seriously here, but I would always start by issuing a complaint, noting all the relevant complaint section numbers, to the body in question.

If nothing else, the newspaper or advertiser will tighten up their safeguards on outgoing material. They might even employ some decent staff !

For example that Rentokil item should have been identified in the press as an &#039;advertorial&#039; or whatever the term is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that the Press Complaints body and the ASA aren&#8217;t taken too seriously here, but I would always start by issuing a complaint, noting all the relevant complaint section numbers, to the body in question.</p>
<p>If nothing else, the newspaper or advertiser will tighten up their safeguards on outgoing material. They might even employ some decent staff !</p>
<p>For example that Rentokil item should have been identified in the press as an &#8216;advertorial&#8217; or whatever the term is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wainwright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wainwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11: I love the idea of Ben as Director of the new Institute of Badness, funded by readers of his blog. I pledge my £5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@11: I love the idea of Ben as Director of the new Institute of Badness, funded by readers of his blog. I pledge my £5.</p>
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		<title>By: Marky Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marky Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming that Ruth Shearn really did leave the comment on the Rentokil blog, her website bio is interesting:

http://www.rmspr.co.uk/team?team_id=1

&quot;Honesty, decency, hard work, fun and a passion for generating masses of media coverage for clients are the core values upon which Ruth has built RMS PR.&quot;

&quot;Honesty&quot; != &quot;Everyone who’s has been offended by the massaging of facts in that initial story appears to be in the marketing profession – surely you should know better.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming that Ruth Shearn really did leave the comment on the Rentokil blog, her website bio is interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rmspr.co.uk/team?team_id=1" rel="nofollow">www.rmspr.co.uk/team?team_id=1</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Honesty, decency, hard work, fun and a passion for generating masses of media coverage for clients are the core values upon which Ruth has built RMS PR.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Honesty&#8221; != &#8220;Everyone who’s has been offended by the massaging of facts in that initial story appears to be in the marketing profession – surely you should know better.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mrmuddle</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/03/lib-dem-councillor-caroline-pidgeon-falls-for-bogus-rentokil-story-in-the-london-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-31812</link>
		<dc:creator>mrmuddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>miked: &quot;Or can query media coverage of a particular story and find out to what extent it is true or not.&quot;

I&#039;m probably being hideously misguided here, but I kinda thought we had civil servants &amp; appointed experts who are supposed to do this kind of thing for us/the government anyway? And if not, why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miked: &#8220;Or can query media coverage of a particular story and find out to what extent it is true or not.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably being hideously misguided here, but I kinda thought we had civil servants &amp; appointed experts who are supposed to do this kind of thing for us/the government anyway? And if not, why not?</p>
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		<title>By: PlasticManc</title>
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		<dc:creator>PlasticManc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the rentakil site is now down for &quot;maintenance&quot;.
Google cache here:
http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:kFuJEJzFgUQJ:www.rentokil.com/blog/learning-the-hard-way&amp;cd=2&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the rentakil site is now down for &#8220;maintenance&#8221;.<br />
Google cache here:<br />
<a href="http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:kFuJEJzFgUQJ:www.rentokil.com/blog/learning-the-hard-way&#038;cd=2&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=uk" rel="nofollow">66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:kFuJEJzFgUQJ:www.rentokil.com/blog/learning-the-hard-way&#038;cd=2&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: ellieban</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/03/lib-dem-councillor-caroline-pidgeon-falls-for-bogus-rentokil-story-in-the-london-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-31810</link>
		<dc:creator>ellieban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too pledge my £5 pm and my time. I&#039;m overseas at the mo, so it would have to be doing something that can be done online, but anything I can do to help :)

The enemy are organised at the very highest level and they use sophisticated propaganda techniques (check out Climate Cover-up by James Hoggan and desmogblog.com for the chilling truth). We need to start using some of the same tools for engaging or we will continue to loose ground.

It may seem over the top to use words like &quot;enemy&quot; and &quot;propaganda&quot; but I believe we need to start thinking about these people in those terms and we need to get organised and take them on. Count me in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too pledge my £5 pm and my time. I&#8217;m overseas at the mo, so it would have to be doing something that can be done online, but anything I can do to help <img src='http://www.badscience.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The enemy are organised at the very highest level and they use sophisticated propaganda techniques (check out Climate Cover-up by James Hoggan and <a href="http://desmogblog.com" class="autohyperlink" title="http://desmogblog.com" target="_blank">desmogblog.com</a> for the chilling truth). We need to start using some of the same tools for engaging or we will continue to loose ground.</p>
<p>It may seem over the top to use words like &#8220;enemy&#8221; and &#8220;propaganda&#8221; but I believe we need to start thinking about these people in those terms and we need to get organised and take them on. Count me in!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/03/lib-dem-councillor-caroline-pidgeon-falls-for-bogus-rentokil-story-in-the-london-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-31809</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just for me, or is the Rentokil site down? (error500)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just for me, or is the Rentokil site down? (error500)</p>
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		<title>By: Thimble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one below that is even worse!

http://www.rentokil.com/blog/learning-the-hard-way/#comment-6378

The PCC&#039;s code pf practice for editors (http://www.pcc.org.uk/cop/practice.html) say , right at the very top...

i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.

Fail fail fail. I do blame rentokil and the really rather irresponsible PR industry, but it seems lying to the press breaks no rule. The press printing utter rubbish does break a rule, but it seems to go completely unpunished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one below that is even worse!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rentokil.com/blog/learning-the-hard-way/#comment-6378" rel="nofollow">www.rentokil.com/blog/learning-the-hard-way/#comment-6378</a></p>
<p>The PCC&#8217;s code pf practice for editors (<a href="http://www.pcc.org.uk/cop/practice.html" rel="nofollow">www.pcc.org.uk/cop/practice.html</a>) say , right at the very top&#8230;</p>
<p>i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.</p>
<p>Fail fail fail. I do blame rentokil and the really rather irresponsible PR industry, but it seems lying to the press breaks no rule. The press printing utter rubbish does break a rule, but it seems to go completely unpunished.</p>
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		<title>By: beedyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>beedyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ling Valentine made an interesting comment on the rentokil blog http://www.rentokil.com/blog/learning-the-hard-way/#comment-6369 her point being that all publicity is good publicity and that rentokil can only benefit, besides what harm was done?
Caroline Pidgeon&#039;s questions are a good visible indicator of the true cost of &#039;free&#039; publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ling Valentine made an interesting comment on the rentokil blog <a href="http://www.rentokil.com/blog/learning-the-hard-way/#comment-6369" rel="nofollow">www.rentokil.com/blog/learning-the-hard-way/#comment-6369</a> her point being that all publicity is good publicity and that rentokil can only benefit, besides what harm was done?<br />
Caroline Pidgeon&#8217;s questions are a good visible indicator of the true cost of &#8216;free&#8217; publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my first post here too and is to pledge my fiver. 

Will it be tax deductible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my first post here too and is to pledge my fiver. </p>
<p>Will it be tax deductible?</p>
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		<title>By: chris__w</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris__w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I finally registered with WordPress and quit lurking, just to post this - y&#039;all are honoured)

Ben, are you aware of the Open Rights Group? This originated a few years ago as a pledgebank post &quot;I&#039;ll pay a fiver a month for a UK digital rights campaign if 1000 other people also do.&quot; Now, along several hundred other people (not everyone ponied up when the pledge matured...) I help to fund ORG to the tune of a fiver a month. This pays for an office in London and an employee. ORG has also got money from various foundations, but the core funding is independent. Could the &#039;Bad Science Club&#039; work in a similar fashion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I finally registered with WordPress and quit lurking, just to post this &#8211; y&#8217;all are honoured)</p>
<p>Ben, are you aware of the Open Rights Group? This originated a few years ago as a pledgebank post &#8220;I&#8217;ll pay a fiver a month for a UK digital rights campaign if 1000 other people also do.&#8221; Now, along several hundred other people (not everyone ponied up when the pledge matured&#8230;) I help to fund ORG to the tune of a fiver a month. This pays for an office in London and an employee. ORG has also got money from various foundations, but the core funding is independent. Could the &#8216;Bad Science Club&#8217; work in a similar fashion?</p>
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		<title>By: raygirvan</title>
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		<dc:creator>raygirvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if I&#039;m a bit late on this, but the whole &quot;filthy underground meme&quot; has been on an outing before: see Snopes, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/london.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Inner Tube&lt;/a&gt;, concerning a bogus report, circulating in 2002, of all kinds of filth found on Tube seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if I&#8217;m a bit late on this, but the whole &#8220;filthy underground meme&#8221; has been on an outing before: see Snopes, <a HREF="http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/london.asp" rel="nofollow">Inner Tube</a>, concerning a bogus report, circulating in 2002, of all kinds of filth found on Tube seats.</p>
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		<title>By: blueporcupine</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueporcupine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I&#039;m not a cerulean spiny mammal I&#039;m mostly a copywriter and researcher for the third sector and I&#039;ve done a bit of fund app stuff. Would be happy to chip in a bit of time, just to see if we get anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I&#8217;m not a cerulean spiny mammal I&#8217;m mostly a copywriter and researcher for the third sector and I&#8217;ve done a bit of fund app stuff. Would be happy to chip in a bit of time, just to see if we get anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: ewan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I guess this also means that Caroline Pidgeon is not a reader of bad science.&quot;

I wonder if whoever in the mayor&#039;s office winds up answering the questions does though. Could be an interesting response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I guess this also means that Caroline Pidgeon is not a reader of bad science.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if whoever in the mayor&#8217;s office winds up answering the questions does though. Could be an interesting response.</p>
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		<title>By: miked</title>
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		<dc:creator>miked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caroline Pidgeon responds: 
&quot;I read the report and thought it was a concern. Am sure the reply will be reassuring for everyone! 
Thank you for taking the time to email me.&quot;

I think the fact she made a slight error of judgment (a tiny mistake in the grander scheme of things) isn&#039;t the main issue.

For me the main issue is that the press routinely misleads, that churnalism is on the rise and that people don&#039;t really understand or use evidence effectively.

@blueporcupine I welcome your comments on the &quot;emphasis on evidence-based decision-making&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline Pidgeon responds:<br />
&#8220;I read the report and thought it was a concern. Am sure the reply will be reassuring for everyone!<br />
Thank you for taking the time to email me.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the fact she made a slight error of judgment (a tiny mistake in the grander scheme of things) isn&#8217;t the main issue.</p>
<p>For me the main issue is that the press routinely misleads, that churnalism is on the rise and that people don&#8217;t really understand or use evidence effectively.</p>
<p>@blueporcupine I welcome your comments on the &#8220;emphasis on evidence-based decision-making&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Sladden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Sladden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m sure there are lots of examples of Government policy being influenced by media reports.

I’ve mentioned this before but one that I have done work on is around so-called HIV health tourism, where I think you can see a clear link between a series of unsubstantiated claims in the media and a change in public health policy, that has had a serious impact on people’s lives (i.e. people with HIV not getting treatment).  The charity I work for produced this report on this issue - http://www.nat.org.uk/Media%20library/Files/PDF%20documents/Myth-of-HIV-Health-Tourism-Oct-2008.pdf

Some kind of coordinated campaign to tackle this kinda stuff would be very interesting.  I do it just for HIV issues and that alone could almost be a full-time job, monitoring the media to identify the stories, pursuing complaints through the Press Complaints Commission, managing group of people ready to response to stories, lecturing journo students, producing resources etc. etc.…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sure there are lots of examples of Government policy being influenced by media reports.</p>
<p>I’ve mentioned this before but one that I have done work on is around so-called HIV health tourism, where I think you can see a clear link between a series of unsubstantiated claims in the media and a change in public health policy, that has had a serious impact on people’s lives (i.e. people with HIV not getting treatment).  The charity I work for produced this report on this issue &#8211; <a href="http://www.nat.org.uk/Media%20library/Files/PDF%20documents/Myth-of-HIV-Health-Tourism-Oct-2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">www.nat.org.uk/Media%20library/Files/PDF%20documents/Myth-of-HIV-Health-Tourism-Oct-2008.pdf</a></p>
<p>Some kind of coordinated campaign to tackle this kinda stuff would be very interesting.  I do it just for HIV issues and that alone could almost be a full-time job, monitoring the media to identify the stories, pursuing complaints through the Press Complaints Commission, managing group of people ready to response to stories, lecturing journo students, producing resources etc. etc.…</p>
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		<title>By: cloudyskies</title>
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		<dc:creator>cloudyskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops...I thought that first post didn&#039;t go through but obviously it did...if I knew how to delete it I would.
Apologies everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops&#8230;I thought that first post didn&#8217;t go through but obviously it did&#8230;if I knew how to delete it I would.<br />
Apologies everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: cloudyskies</title>
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		<dc:creator>cloudyskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was toying with the idea of setting up/getting involved some kind of social enterprise type organisation for outreach work educating people (who might not necessarily read something like this fabulous website or attend goldacre talks) about the principles of science/health research in a fun way...

Mostly came from some visits I did to some self-help groups who were letting all kinds of nutritionist-types come and peddle their wares to vulnerable people...made me a bit annoyed.

I think that anything like this, or Miked&#039;s idea would link in well with the DH&#039;s current love of a) social enterprise b) self-care and c)patient empowerment and choice so funding could be available through there.

Outreach could also be linked in with helping people achieve science A-levels and go to uni to do science maybe?  Possible funding through universities wanting to widen participation from traditionally under reperesented areas.  

Also maybe the British Science association might be interested.

Looking forward to seeing a vacancy I can get excited about applying for anyway...

In fact Ben, I would probably do the funding apps on a voluntary basis, because it&#039;s something I care about.  So if it turns out you can&#039;t create a paid post, for whatever reason, I&#039;ll bet there&#039;s a few students around who would apply for an &quot;internship&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was toying with the idea of setting up/getting involved some kind of social enterprise type organisation for outreach work educating people (who might not necessarily read something like this fabulous website or attend goldacre talks) about the principles of science/health research in a fun way&#8230;</p>
<p>Mostly came from some visits I did to some self-help groups who were letting all kinds of nutritionist-types come and peddle their wares to vulnerable people&#8230;made me a bit annoyed.</p>
<p>I think that anything like this, or Miked&#8217;s idea would link in well with the DH&#8217;s current love of a) social enterprise b) self-care and c)patient empowerment and choice so funding could be available through there.</p>
<p>Outreach could also be linked in with helping people achieve science A-levels and go to uni to do science maybe?  Possible funding through universities wanting to widen participation from traditionally under reperesented areas.  </p>
<p>Also maybe the British Science association might be interested.</p>
<p>Looking forward to seeing a vacancy I can get excited about applying for anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>In fact Ben, I would probably do the funding apps on a voluntary basis, because it&#8217;s something I care about.  So if it turns out you can&#8217;t create a paid post, for whatever reason, I&#8217;ll bet there&#8217;s a few students around who would apply for an &#8220;internship&#8221;?</p>
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