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		<title>By: cw37209</title>
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		<dc:creator>cw37209</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...superstition works, because it improves confidence, let’s you set higher goals, and encourages you to work harder.&quot;

To be most credible, scientists should not only be right, scientifically, but should be well-written.  That said, a gentle reminder:  the verb &quot;lets&quot; should not include an apostrophe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;superstition works, because it improves confidence, let’s you set higher goals, and encourages you to work harder.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be most credible, scientists should not only be right, scientifically, but should be well-written.  That said, a gentle reminder:  the verb &#8220;lets&#8221; should not include an apostrophe.</p>
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		<title>By: jjad</title>
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		<dc:creator>jjad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the lucky charm trick works? Yes, but the reason could be because people who have their precious charms taken from them to be &#039;photographed&#039; may be worried about what is happening to it. Where has it gone? Will it be OK? What if it gets lost? This is a possible reason why these people felt less confident and did worse than those with their charms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the lucky charm trick works? Yes, but the reason could be because people who have their precious charms taken from them to be &#8216;photographed&#8217; may be worried about what is happening to it. Where has it gone? Will it be OK? What if it gets lost? This is a possible reason why these people felt less confident and did worse than those with their charms.</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/1693/comment-page-2/#comment-33337</link>
		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 01:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does superstition have a deja vu quality about it?  It seems that people talk about superstition from their predefined and possibly prejudiced point of view, pushing out opinions without taking in new information.  It is almost a defense reaction.

It is natural for humans to be superstitious.  For survival it is better to believe something bad is coming down and try and escape or defend yourself.  If you are wrong you may seem silly, but if the crackling twig is a predatory creature then you are right.  Being wrong in interpreting situations is far worse than ignoring a suspicion that cannot be supported by facts.

Recognising a superstitious response is helpful and should allow people to teach thme to understand and learn from their instinctive behaviours and not try to ignore them.

In the test conditions provided the subjects were put into a competitive situation.  The instinct would be to stay and compete where you saw that you had an advantage, or to hide or withdraw where you perceived your chances were reduced.  I think the tests were valid and maybe need expanding or more interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does superstition have a deja vu quality about it?  It seems that people talk about superstition from their predefined and possibly prejudiced point of view, pushing out opinions without taking in new information.  It is almost a defense reaction.</p>
<p>It is natural for humans to be superstitious.  For survival it is better to believe something bad is coming down and try and escape or defend yourself.  If you are wrong you may seem silly, but if the crackling twig is a predatory creature then you are right.  Being wrong in interpreting situations is far worse than ignoring a suspicion that cannot be supported by facts.</p>
<p>Recognising a superstitious response is helpful and should allow people to teach thme to understand and learn from their instinctive behaviours and not try to ignore them.</p>
<p>In the test conditions provided the subjects were put into a competitive situation.  The instinct would be to stay and compete where you saw that you had an advantage, or to hide or withdraw where you perceived your chances were reduced.  I think the tests were valid and maybe need expanding or more interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: thetallerpaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>thetallerpaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methodological issues aside this seems like a lot of fuss over a nothing study about the placebo effect of encouragement. Wherever this comes from ( external, superstition, replicable statistical proof) it helps people perform. If you are superstitious keep doing what you need to do as long as you understand it&#039;s not magic. An interesting test would be with a group of &#039;rational&#039; people who were told that statistically you have a very small or high chance of success in the test exercise. My hypothesis is that the &#039;rational&#039; respond in a similar way to encouragement or discouragement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methodological issues aside this seems like a lot of fuss over a nothing study about the placebo effect of encouragement. Wherever this comes from ( external, superstition, replicable statistical proof) it helps people perform. If you are superstitious keep doing what you need to do as long as you understand it&#8217;s not magic. An interesting test would be with a group of &#8216;rational&#8217; people who were told that statistically you have a very small or high chance of success in the test exercise. My hypothesis is that the &#8216;rational&#8217; respond in a similar way to encouragement or discouragement.</p>
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		<title>By: H. E. Pennypacker</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/1693/comment-page-2/#comment-33194</link>
		<dc:creator>H. E. Pennypacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>irishaxeman:

Yes, we just have to assume that those people who did better in the golf task aren&#039;t golfers. I think it&#039;s a relatively safe assumption if we&#039;re willing to assume that the people doing this research aren&#039;t stupid and actually have some training in how to do research. I don&#039;t know them so they might be stupid and have no training in research and accidentally assigned a lot of golfers to the experimental condition. But it&#039;s quite a safe bet that they didn&#039;t. On a serious note, one way they could have eliminated this issue would have been to use the same participants in the lucky ball and neutral conditions, but that solution would have had its own complications. 

Stitcheroo:

You said: &quot;To then say that the results are confirmed by &#039;all the other significant results&#039; is a leap of faith&quot;. I have to disagree with that quite strongly. Replication is a foundation of experimentation. The golf experiment on its own would not have been publishable, even the authors treat it as a preliminary finding. They then do variations on the experiment showing the same effect in each. This is the exact opposite of taking a leap of faith, it is to subject a hypothesis to systematic inquiry and is the gold standard in any field of science. 

As a disclaimer I should say that I&#039;m not affiliated with this research in any way, and know nothing about research into superstition and have no strong opinions on that literature. I&#039;m just trying to defend what seems on the surface like a relatively solid piece of research against some far fetched critique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>irishaxeman:</p>
<p>Yes, we just have to assume that those people who did better in the golf task aren&#8217;t golfers. I think it&#8217;s a relatively safe assumption if we&#8217;re willing to assume that the people doing this research aren&#8217;t stupid and actually have some training in how to do research. I don&#8217;t know them so they might be stupid and have no training in research and accidentally assigned a lot of golfers to the experimental condition. But it&#8217;s quite a safe bet that they didn&#8217;t. On a serious note, one way they could have eliminated this issue would have been to use the same participants in the lucky ball and neutral conditions, but that solution would have had its own complications. </p>
<p>Stitcheroo:</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;To then say that the results are confirmed by &#8216;all the other significant results&#8217; is a leap of faith&#8221;. I have to disagree with that quite strongly. Replication is a foundation of experimentation. The golf experiment on its own would not have been publishable, even the authors treat it as a preliminary finding. They then do variations on the experiment showing the same effect in each. This is the exact opposite of taking a leap of faith, it is to subject a hypothesis to systematic inquiry and is the gold standard in any field of science. </p>
<p>As a disclaimer I should say that I&#8217;m not affiliated with this research in any way, and know nothing about research into superstition and have no strong opinions on that literature. I&#8217;m just trying to defend what seems on the surface like a relatively solid piece of research against some far fetched critique.</p>
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		<title>By: spotthelemon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most suprising thing about this research is that anyone would be remotely surprised by it. It&#039;s essentially a variation on the placebo effect but with lucky charms (or procedures) instead of sugar pills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most suprising thing about this research is that anyone would be remotely surprised by it. It&#8217;s essentially a variation on the placebo effect but with lucky charms (or procedures) instead of sugar pills.</p>
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		<title>By: irishaxeman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luck is merely a description of unplanned consequences, and as such &#039;exists&#039;. Superstition has been adequately explained by behavioural and evolutionary psychology.
And bad design is bad design.
No I have never heard a male golfer call a golf ball naughty. I have heard many males use other descriptions, often ending in &#039;..ing&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luck is merely a description of unplanned consequences, and as such &#8216;exists&#8217;. Superstition has been adequately explained by behavioural and evolutionary psychology.<br />
And bad design is bad design.<br />
No I have never heard a male golfer call a golf ball naughty. I have heard many males use other descriptions, often ending in &#8216;..ing&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stitcheroo</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/1693/comment-page-2/#comment-33183</link>
		<dc:creator>Stitcheroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@irishaxeman give some of the reasons to exclude this test.  The possibility of a few out of the sample (of 14, not 28) being golfers would skew the results over such a small number of shots.  To then say that the results are confirmed by &quot;all the other significant results&quot; is a leap of faith. In any case, just saying &quot;you believe in luck&quot; does not mean that you believe that the ball is lucky.  I play sports and you may say you have a lucky ball or perform some ritual but this is short lived even when affecting performance.  When it actually comes to it you forget about that and concentrate on technique or the opposition.  Rafael Nadal is a good example, he has rituals at the start of the match that get him in to the right frame of mind (call it superstition if you will) and this ensures that he gets off to a good start.  Even if he says he believes in &quot;good luck&quot;, he really knows that the rituals are there to get him focussed to enable him to concentrate on the game. As I said before, there are many factors that come into play. 
And irishaxeman, I&#039;ve played golf with some male golfers who have some pretty weird rituals or were you just trying to be provocative?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@irishaxeman give some of the reasons to exclude this test.  The possibility of a few out of the sample (of 14, not 28) being golfers would skew the results over such a small number of shots.  To then say that the results are confirmed by &#8220;all the other significant results&#8221; is a leap of faith. In any case, just saying &#8220;you believe in luck&#8221; does not mean that you believe that the ball is lucky.  I play sports and you may say you have a lucky ball or perform some ritual but this is short lived even when affecting performance.  When it actually comes to it you forget about that and concentrate on technique or the opposition.  Rafael Nadal is a good example, he has rituals at the start of the match that get him in to the right frame of mind (call it superstition if you will) and this ensures that he gets off to a good start.  Even if he says he believes in &#8220;good luck&#8221;, he really knows that the rituals are there to get him focussed to enable him to concentrate on the game. As I said before, there are many factors that come into play.<br />
And irishaxeman, I&#8217;ve played golf with some male golfers who have some pretty weird rituals or were you just trying to be provocative?</p>
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		<title>By: irishaxeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishaxeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to assume none of the tiny sample were golfers - as a reasonable golfer would expect to hole more than 8 out of 10 from a metre away on a flat plane. What was not controlled for as far as I can see (assuming putter is the same as is the ball throughout) is grip/face/target alignment, itself a product of skill and visuomotor ability. With such a small sample you only need a small bias in these to produce a significant result, not withstanding different levels of task anxiety and pre-existing history of self efficacy. Was there standardisation of these factors? Were there practice trials?
However I will note that female golfers of my acquaintance are known to accuse golf balls of bias (as in &#039;you naughty ball&#039;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to assume none of the tiny sample were golfers &#8211; as a reasonable golfer would expect to hole more than 8 out of 10 from a metre away on a flat plane. What was not controlled for as far as I can see (assuming putter is the same as is the ball throughout) is grip/face/target alignment, itself a product of skill and visuomotor ability. With such a small sample you only need a small bias in these to produce a significant result, not withstanding different levels of task anxiety and pre-existing history of self efficacy. Was there standardisation of these factors? Were there practice trials?<br />
However I will note that female golfers of my acquaintance are known to accuse golf balls of bias (as in &#8216;you naughty ball&#8217;).</p>
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		<title>By: Stitcheroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stitcheroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 07:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you uggi.</description>
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		<title>By: uggi</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/1693/comment-page-2/#comment-33147</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn&#039;t actually sound like superstition - more like the effect of encouragement, already documented in other studies. The idea that someone else wants you to do well is inspiring, and makes you try harder.

As for good luck charms... well, that&#039;s just a different shaped teddy bear, really, isn&#039;t it? ;p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t actually sound like superstition &#8211; more like the effect of encouragement, already documented in other studies. The idea that someone else wants you to do well is inspiring, and makes you try harder.</p>
<p>As for good luck charms&#8230; well, that&#8217;s just a different shaped teddy bear, really, isn&#8217;t it? ;p</p>
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		<title>By: Rogue Medic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rogue Medic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H. E. Pennypacker,

&quot;Rogue Medic: I’m not sure why you’d want to eliminate the effects of state of mind in a study which is specifically interested in manipulating state of mind. Recall that this study shows that superstitious belief influences state of mind to such a degree as to affect various types of cognitive and motor performance.&quot;

I like to control for variables as much as possible. As with homeopathy, full moon effects, and other superstitions, I think it is important to make clear that this is purely a placebo effect. 

Too many people already believe in these things. I wouldn&#039;t want a study that could be easily misinterpreted as suggesting there is any kind of non-placebo effect of superstitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H. E. Pennypacker,</p>
<p>&#8220;Rogue Medic: I’m not sure why you’d want to eliminate the effects of state of mind in a study which is specifically interested in manipulating state of mind. Recall that this study shows that superstitious belief influences state of mind to such a degree as to affect various types of cognitive and motor performance.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like to control for variables as much as possible. As with homeopathy, full moon effects, and other superstitions, I think it is important to make clear that this is purely a placebo effect. </p>
<p>Too many people already believe in these things. I wouldn&#8217;t want a study that could be easily misinterpreted as suggesting there is any kind of non-placebo effect of superstitions.</p>
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		<title>By: Rogue Medic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rogue Medic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Lapierre,

&quot;The researchers do briefly discuss negative effects of superstition in their conclusion. They acknowledge that negative superstitions could have adverse effects, and that it would be interesting to study. However that was not their chosen focus&quot;

I have not read the paper. I caddied in high school, so I think more of the negative performance effect of any psychological stimulus in golf, than the positive. It takes so little for a good game to fall apart. Think of Greg Norman as described by Malcolm Gladwell.

&quot;The Art of Failure
Why some people choke and others panic.&quot;

http://www.gladwell.com/2000/2000_08_21_a_choking.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Lapierre,</p>
<p>&#8220;The researchers do briefly discuss negative effects of superstition in their conclusion. They acknowledge that negative superstitions could have adverse effects, and that it would be interesting to study. However that was not their chosen focus&#8221;</p>
<p>I have not read the paper. I caddied in high school, so I think more of the negative performance effect of any psychological stimulus in golf, than the positive. It takes so little for a good game to fall apart. Think of Greg Norman as described by Malcolm Gladwell.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Art of Failure<br />
Why some people choke and others panic.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gladwell.com/2000/2000_08_21_a_choking.htm" rel="nofollow">www.gladwell.com/2000/2000_08_21_a_choking.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: merrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>merrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: merrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>merrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s all well and good, but the version of Superstition you want is live on Sesame Street, it way outfunks the high levels of funkaciousness the studio version achieves.</description>
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		<title>By: H. E. Pennypacker</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/1693/comment-page-1/#comment-33128</link>
		<dc:creator>H. E. Pennypacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Sticheroo and Rogue Medic for thoughtful posts. A couple of quick comments:

Stitcheroo: I like in principle your idea of controlling for possesion of familiar objects. However, if it turned out that being in possesion of a family photo was equally helpful to being in possesion of a lucky charm, this would suggest that a lucky charm (associated with superstitious belief) has influence equal to a family photo (associated with emotional value?), and would extend the conclusions put forward by the authors, not undermine them.

Rogue Medic: I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;d want to eliminate the effects of state of mind in a study which is specifically interested in manipulating state of mind. Recall that this study shows that superstitious belief influences state of mind to such a degree as to affect various types of cognitive and motor performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Sticheroo and Rogue Medic for thoughtful posts. A couple of quick comments:</p>
<p>Stitcheroo: I like in principle your idea of controlling for possesion of familiar objects. However, if it turned out that being in possesion of a family photo was equally helpful to being in possesion of a lucky charm, this would suggest that a lucky charm (associated with superstitious belief) has influence equal to a family photo (associated with emotional value?), and would extend the conclusions put forward by the authors, not undermine them.</p>
<p>Rogue Medic: I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;d want to eliminate the effects of state of mind in a study which is specifically interested in manipulating state of mind. Recall that this study shows that superstitious belief influences state of mind to such a degree as to affect various types of cognitive and motor performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Lapierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Lapierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rogue Medic: The researchers do briefly discuss negative effects of superstition in their conclusion. They acknowledge that negative superstitions could have adverse effects, and that it would be interesting to study. However that was not their chosen focus - performance improvement was (they justify all of that, of course). But I do agree that an evaluation of the negative effects of superstition would be worthwhile. For example, it&#039;s possible that if someone attributes too much of their performance to luck, their intrinsic motivation will suffer, let alone their performance when their lucky charm goes missing. Likewise the belief in the contribution of luck might limit an individual&#039;s potential - if they believe a lucky charm helps them perform better, they might not strive to reach the same level of performance without the lucky charm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rogue Medic: The researchers do briefly discuss negative effects of superstition in their conclusion. They acknowledge that negative superstitions could have adverse effects, and that it would be interesting to study. However that was not their chosen focus &#8211; performance improvement was (they justify all of that, of course). But I do agree that an evaluation of the negative effects of superstition would be worthwhile. For example, it&#8217;s possible that if someone attributes too much of their performance to luck, their intrinsic motivation will suffer, let alone their performance when their lucky charm goes missing. Likewise the belief in the contribution of luck might limit an individual&#8217;s potential &#8211; if they believe a lucky charm helps them perform better, they might not strive to reach the same level of performance without the lucky charm.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Lapierre</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/1693/comment-page-1/#comment-33126</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Lapierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sticheroo: A difference between 6.42 and 4.75 is a significant difference (according to a t test with a sample size of 26, at p &lt; .05, Cohen&#039;s d = 0.83) when the standard deviations (1.88 and 2.15 respectively) are taken into account.

There were not 23 students who believed in luck. The paper mentions that 80% of the participant *population* believed in good luck (as revealed by a pretest), not 80% of the *sample*.  But supposing you were right and 23 believed in luck while 5 didn&#039;t. And suppose further that the 5 did perform better, and suppose again that they all somehow ended up in the group which performed better, and let&#039;s go the whole way and also suppose that if those 5 participants&#039; scores were removed the significant difference would disappear. That&#039;s a hell of a lot of supposing. You can speculate that that&#039;s the case, but unless you show it to be the case you are not justified in dismissing the results here. Particularly in light of all the other significant results.

You say we need to see all the factors that might be affecting performance. You ask the impossible, particularly where individuals are concerned, with our many and varied motivations and capacities. But rather than attempting the impossible, what we do, and what the researchers here have shown, is to attack a problem from multiple angles, with multiple, random groups of participants. H. E. Pennypacker has already made this point. When the same effect is seen many times, in different but related ways, with many groups of people randomly selected, it is reasonable to conclude that all those factors you want to be controlled are not having a significant effect. Except if one or more of those factors could be shown to be conflated with superstition in *each* of the 4 experiments.

So, is there anything in particular which may account for each of the results which the researchers have allegedly confused with superstition causing increased self-efficacy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sticheroo: A difference between 6.42 and 4.75 is a significant difference (according to a t test with a sample size of 26, at p &lt; .05, Cohen&#039;s d = 0.83) when the standard deviations (1.88 and 2.15 respectively) are taken into account.</p>
<p>There were not 23 students who believed in luck. The paper mentions that 80% of the participant *population* believed in good luck (as revealed by a pretest), not 80% of the *sample*.  But supposing you were right and 23 believed in luck while 5 didn&#039;t. And suppose further that the 5 did perform better, and suppose again that they all somehow ended up in the group which performed better, and let&#039;s go the whole way and also suppose that if those 5 participants&#039; scores were removed the significant difference would disappear. That&#039;s a hell of a lot of supposing. You can speculate that that&#039;s the case, but unless you show it to be the case you are not justified in dismissing the results here. Particularly in light of all the other significant results.</p>
<p>You say we need to see all the factors that might be affecting performance. You ask the impossible, particularly where individuals are concerned, with our many and varied motivations and capacities. But rather than attempting the impossible, what we do, and what the researchers here have shown, is to attack a problem from multiple angles, with multiple, random groups of participants. H. E. Pennypacker has already made this point. When the same effect is seen many times, in different but related ways, with many groups of people randomly selected, it is reasonable to conclude that all those factors you want to be controlled are not having a significant effect. Except if one or more of those factors could be shown to be conflated with superstition in *each* of the 4 experiments.</p>
<p>So, is there anything in particular which may account for each of the results which the researchers have allegedly confused with superstition causing increased self-efficacy?</p>
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		<title>By: kneecap</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/1693/comment-page-1/#comment-33124</link>
		<dc:creator>kneecap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Guy.

Ah, KFN-7, &quot;the doubter&quot;. I&#039;ll have you know you Numerological Focusing is a true science based on ancient principles. I have learnt of its ... oh, you&#039;re right, I just made it up. I wanted to start a new pseudo science and make a load of money without having to work hard. I had tried the Doctrine of Signatures but didn&#039;t get taken seriously when I told people I could cure them of leaves. I still think Numerological Focusing has legs (KFN-11)</description>
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<p>Ah, KFN-7, &#8220;the doubter&#8221;. I&#8217;ll have you know you Numerological Focusing is a true science based on ancient principles. I have learnt of its &#8230; oh, you&#8217;re right, I just made it up. I wanted to start a new pseudo science and make a load of money without having to work hard. I had tried the Doctrine of Signatures but didn&#8217;t get taken seriously when I told people I could cure them of leaves. I still think Numerological Focusing has legs (KFN-11)</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/1693/comment-page-1/#comment-33120</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do assume that &quot;I do, however, practice the science of Numerlogical Focusing.&quot; is a joke??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do assume that &#8220;I do, however, practice the science of Numerlogical Focusing.&#8221; is a joke??</p>
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