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Delster said,
March 1, 2007 at 12:05 pm
PV
you have to remember that a lot of american’s don’t “get” sarcasm so i thought i’d double check 🙂
and you’d be dumbstruck by what some of them believe….
One once tried to convince me that racial segregation in south africa was ok because the blacks were trying to displace the original white population…. i was so gobsmacked i had trouble speaking!
Martin said,
March 1, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Actually, the history of the make-up of the South African population is very interesting.
The original populations were the Khoi and San who were displaced by the Xhosa. When the first white men arrived (Dutch) they found both the Xhosa and Khoi/San peoples, but they wouldn’t work for them, so they started importing slaves from Madagascar and India. Descendents from these are confusingly known as Cape Malays (despite there not being any Malaysian link). Some Dutch farmers (Boers) married the Cape Malays and they are known as ‘Coloured’
The British annexed Cape Town around 1800 and pushed into the interior, encountering the Zulus who lived in the north-east of what is now South Africa. Britain subsequently fought both the Zulus and Boers.
The make-up of South Africa is about 80% ‘Black’ (almost anyone with any Zulu or Xhosa ancestry), 10% ‘White’ (Afrikaners or other europeans), and 10% ‘Coloured’. The Khoi, San or Xhosa could claim to be the original population (although they were nomadic), but there’s hardly anyone left who can claim Khoi or San ancestry.
The first people to really settle were the Dutch, so your American friend wasn’t quite as daft as he sounds.
Andrew Clegg said,
March 1, 2007 at 2:03 pm
“The first people to really settle were the Dutch, so your American friend wasn’t quite as daft as he sounds.”
Martin — does this mean you don’t count the Khoi, San, Xhosa, or Zulu as indigenous because they didn’t build towns??
Andrew.
Delster said,
March 2, 2007 at 5:52 pm
the american in question maintained that the “whites” were there BEFORE the “blacks”
i tried rational argument but to no avail….
Andrew Clegg said,
March 2, 2007 at 6:09 pm
Sorry Martin, with you now.
Of course, said American might have wanted to say something a bit more intelligent and current about large-scale migratory gerrymandering operations by the ANC resulting in entire townships of people being moved to parts of the country where there’s no jobs or infrastructure to support them… But that’s another story.
Andrew.